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(CNN) -- At least 12 people were shot at a Tucson grocery store on Saturday, and U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords was among them, a Democratic party source told CNN.
There were conflicting reports about Giffords' condition. Giffords' press secretary said the congresswoman remained in surgery Saturday afternoon for her injuries, disputing an earlier report from a law enforcement source saying she had died.
The party source described the situation as "pretty serious."
At least 11 others were shot in the incident, which happened shortly after 10 a.m. MST, Pima County Sheriff's Department spokesman Jason Ogan said.
AZ congresswoman among 12 shot in Tuscon Several shot at Tuscon grocery store

Giffords, 40, was holding a constituent meeting at the Safeway grocery store when the shooting occurred, according to a schedule posted on her website.
The Tucson Citizen newspaper reported that Giffords was shot in the head.
An FBI spokesman said the agency was sending agents to the scene, and two senior Obama administration officials said the White House is monitoring the situation. They said they believed that a congressional staffer may have been killed.
Pictures from the scene showed a Giffords banner hanging from the storefront.
At least two victims with gunshot wounds were transported at Northwest Medical Center, according to spokesman Richard Parker.
The conditions of the 11 others shot were not immediately known.
The motive for the shooting is unclear, Ogan said.
"We're just trying to sort this out right now," he said.
An employee of a nearby business, Jason Pekau, told CNN that he did not see the shooting, but heard "15 to 20 gunshots."
Giffords, a Democrat, was first elected in 2006. She has served as chairwoman of the House Space and Aeronautics Subcommittee and also holds seats on the House Science and Technology and Armed Services committees.
She won her third term in a closely contested race against a Tea Party-sponsored candidate and was one of three Democratic legislators who reported vandalism at their offices following the March vote on health care reform.
She is married to Navy Capt. Mark Kelly, a NASA astronaut who is scheduled to lead a space shuttle mission to the International Space Station.

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Rep. Gabrielle Giffords was holding a constituent meeting at the grocery store when she and others were shot
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Post by raine1953 on Sat Jan 08, 2011 2:11 pm

Ariz. Rep. Giffords, Others Shot; 4 Confirmed Dead

Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, D-Ariz., and several others were shot in Pima County near Tucson today.

At least four people are confirmed dead at the scene, including an aide to Rep. Giffords.

Initial reports by CBS Affiliate KOLD that the Congresswoman was among the fatalities were corrected by her press people, who told KOLD that she is alive but in surgery.

"She is currently in surgery. She is still alive," said Darcy Slaten, Public Affairs, University Medical Center in Tucson.
Eight others are being treated at the hospital as well.

The assailant reportedly sprayed bullets into an area where the Democratic lawmaker was hosting a "Congress on Your Corner" event at a Safeway supermarket.

A law enforcement source told CBS News producer Pat Milton that a man apparently stood up in the crowd during the town hall meeting, shouted something and then opened fire. Someone - possibly police or security - then shot at the gunman.

The gunman has been apprehended but it is unknown if he were wounded.

CBS News has learned that seven people are in the emergency room.

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I just heard on CNN Live that a press conference from a hospital is scheduled in 40 minutes.
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Raine and I both have threads on this. I am merging (sort of) mine with hers.

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Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords of Arizona was shot Saturday. While some initial reports said Giffords had died, the local sheriff, Clarence Dupnick and University Medical Center spokeswoman Darci Slaten say she is alive and in surgery. She was hosting a public event at a Safeway grocery store on the north side of Tucson.

According to Slaten, nine other people were shot.

The motives of the attacker, who was detained on the scene and taken into custody, are at this point unknown. Fox is reporting that the gunman "ran up and began shooting indiscriminately as Giffords addressed supporters." According to the New York Times, the Tuscon Citizen is reporting that Giffords was shot at close range.

Witnesses say that the gunman was in his "late teens or early twenties." An eyewitness who contacted Gawker says that he was young, mid-to-late 20s, white clean-shaven with short hair and wearing dark clothing." According to their source, he looked like a "fringe character."

Giffords was first elected represent Arizona's 8th district in 2006. She was married to astronaut Mike Kelly.

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U.S. Representative Giffords is seen in an undated handout photo provided by her Congressional office in Washington Reuters – U.S. Representative Gabrielle Giffords (D-AZ), who was shot during an appearance in Tucson, Arizona is …

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TUCSON, Arizona (Reuters) – Representative Gabrielle Giffords of Arizona was shot point blank in the head by a man who opened fire indiscriminately at a constituency meeting in Tucson, U.S. media reported on Saturday.

Giffords, a 40-year-old Democrat in her third term in Congress, was airlifted to a hospital in Tucson shortly after the shooting at a Safeway supermarket in the Arizona city.

"She is currently in surgery. She's alive," University Medical Center spokeswoman Darci Slaten told Reuters. Slaten added that nine other shooting victims were being treated at the hospital.

NPR, citing the sheriff's office in Pima County, Arizona, initially reported that Giffords and six others had died in the shooting, though it later said there were conflicting reports.

Fox News reported that between 12 and 15 people were shot.

Giffords was hosting a "Congress on Your Corner" event -- public gatherings to give her constituents a chance to talk directly with her -- when attacked from about four feet away, NPR said.

The report said the suspect tried to run away but was tackled by a bystander and was in police custody.

Re-elected in the November 2 election, Giffords has focused on immigration reform, military issues, stem cell research and alternative energy while serving in Congress. She is married to U.S. astronaut Mark Kelly.

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BREAKING NEWS:Arizona Rep. Giffords shot and in critical condition; aide dies
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TUCSON, Arizona (Reuters) – A member of Congress from Arizona was shot and seriously wounded on Saturday by a man who opened fire at a meeting she was holding in Tucson.

Gabrielle Giffords, a 40-year-old Democrat in her third term in the House of Representatives, was airlifted to a hospital in Tucson shortly after being shot in the head at point blank range at a Safeway supermarket in the Arizona city.

"She is currently in surgery. She's alive," University Medical Center spokeswoman Darci Slaten told Reuters. "She was shot in the head," Slaten later told CNN.

Slaten added that nine others were being treated at the hospital, all of them in critical or serious condition. One of the wounded was a child.

News reports said the suspected gunman was in custody. There was no word yet on his motives.

NPR radio, citing the sheriff's office in Pima County, Arizona, initially reported that Giffords and six others had died in the shooting, though it later said there were conflicting reports.

Giffords was hosting a "Congress on Your Corner" event -- public gatherings to give her constituents a chance to talk directly with her -- when attacked from about four feet away, NPR said.

It said the suspect tried to run away but was tackled by a bystander.

"I am horrified by the senseless attack on Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords and members of her staff," House Speaker John Boehner said in statement.

"An attack on one who serves is an attack on all who serve. Acts and threats of violence against public officials have no place in our society. Our prayers are with Congresswoman Giffords, her staff, all who were injured, and their families. This is a sad day for our country."

Andrea Gooden, an eyewitness who was working across the street from the event, told Fox news that she heard about 15 consecutive gunshots.

Re-elected in the November 2 midterm elections that gave Republicans control of the House, Giffords has focused on immigration reform, military issues, stem cell research and alternative energy while serving in Congress. She is married to U.S. astronaut Mark Kelly.

Giffords served on the House Armed Services, Science and Technology committees.

Before going to Washington, Giffords served in the Arizona state legislature from 2000 to 2005 and ran her family's tire and automotive business.

(Reporting by Roberta Rampton in Washington and Dan Whitcomb in Los Angeles; Writing by Paul Simao and Frances Kerry, Editing by Anthony Boadle)

BREAKING NEWS:Arizona Rep. Giffords shot and in critical condition; aide dies
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TUCSON, Arizona (Reuters) – A member of Congress from Arizona was shot and seriously wounded on Saturday by a man who opened fire at a meeting she was holding in Tucson.

Gabrielle Giffords, a 40-year-old Democrat in her third term in the House of Representatives, was airlifted to a hospital in Tucson shortly after being shot in the head at point blank range at a Safeway supermarket in the Arizona city.

"She is currently in surgery. She's alive," University Medical Center spokeswoman Darci Slaten told Reuters. "She was shot in the head," Slaten later told CNN.

Slaten added that nine others were being treated at the hospital, all of them in critical or serious condition. One of the wounded was a child.

News reports said the suspected gunman was in custody. There was no word yet on his motives.

NPR radio, citing the sheriff's office in Pima County, Arizona, initially reported that Giffords and six others had died in the shooting, though it later said there were conflicting reports.

Giffords was hosting a "Congress on Your Corner" event -- public gatherings to give her constituents a chance to talk directly with her -- when attacked from about four feet away, NPR said.

It said the suspect tried to run away but was tackled by a bystander.

"I am horrified by the senseless attack on Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords and members of her staff," House Speaker John Boehner said in statement.

"An attack on one who serves is an attack on all who serve. Acts and threats of violence against public officials have no place in our society. Our prayers are with Congresswoman Giffords, her staff, all who were injured, and their families. This is a sad day for our country."

Andrea Gooden, an eyewitness who was working across the street from the event, told Fox news that she heard about 15 consecutive gunshots.

Re-elected in the November 2 midterm elections that gave Republicans control of the House, Giffords has focused on immigration reform, military issues, stem cell research and alternative energy while serving in Congress. She is married to U.S. astronaut Mark Kelly.

Giffords served on the House Armed Services, Science and Technology committees.

Before going to Washington, Giffords served in the Arizona state legislature from 2000 to 2005 and ran her family's tire and automotive business.

(Reporting by Roberta Rampton in Washington and Dan Whitcomb in Los Angeles; Writing by Paul Simao and Frances Kerry, Editing by Anthony Boadle)

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Congresswoman Giffords, others shot in Ariz.

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Rep. Gabrielle Giffords of Arizona was shot in the head Saturday, an aide was killed, and an unknown number of others were injured when an assailant opened fire outside a grocery store as the Democratic lawmaker met with constituents, officials said.
President Barack Obama called the shooting an "unspeakable tragedy," and said that some had died and the congresswoman had been gravely injured, Reuters reported.
"And while we are continuing to receive information, we know that some have passed away, and that Representative Giffords is gravely wounded," Obama said in a statement.
C.J. Karamargin, a spokesman for Giffords, said the congresswoman was in surgery as of 1 p.m. local time and that an unspecified number of Giffords staff members were involved in the shooting. Karamargin said he had no other information on the conditions of the injured or on the circumstances of the shooting.

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Congressional officials said an aide to the Democrat was killed, and unknown number of others were injured, including staffers to the lawmaker.
'Sad day'
Little was known about the shooter in the chaos after the rampage; one official said the attack was carried out with an automatic weapon. The officials who described the events did so on condition of anonymity, saying they were not permitted to comment publicly.
Another law enforcement official told NBC News that the suspect was born in 1988, but did not have more details at the time.
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"I am horrified by the senseless attack on Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords and members of her staff," newly elected House Speaker John Boehner said. "An attack on one who serves is an attack on all who serve. Acts and threats of violence against public officials have no place in our society. Our prayers are with Congresswoman Giffords, her staff, all who were injured, and their families. This is a sad day for our country."
Three hours after the shooting, the L-shaped shopping center in Tucson was blocked off by police and had fire trucks and other vehicles in its parking lot that blocked the view of the store's front door. No shell casing could be seen from the area 500 yards from the store where reporters and photographers were kept.
Giffords, 40, was re-elected to her third term last November. She was a member of the Arizona House and Senate before coming to Washington.
Giffords was first elected to Congress amid a wave of Democratic victories in the 2006 election, and she won a narrow victory against a tea party favorite in the 2010 election.
The shooting comes amid a highly charged political environment that has seen several dangerous threats against lawmakers but nothing that reached the point of actual violence.
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A San Francisco man upset with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's support of health care reform pleaded guilty to threatening the Democratic congresswoman and her family, calling her directly on March 25 and threatening to destroy her Northern California home if she voted for health care reform.
In July, a California man known for his anger over left-leaning politics engaged in a shootout with highway patrol officers after planning an attack on the ACLU and another nonprofit group. The man said he wanted to "start a revolution" by killing people at the ACLU and the Tides Foundation.
Video: Rep. Giffords target of harassment, threats (on this page)
Giffords herself has drawn the ire of the right, especially for her support of the health care bill from politicians like Sarah Palin.
Her Tucson office was vandalized a few hours after the House vote to approve the health care law in March, with someone either kicking or shooting out a glass door and window.
Despite the animosity she has generated from the right, Giffords describes herself as a former Republican and current Blue Dog Democrat.
"You know, actually as a former Republican, you know, I consider myself someone who is pretty in the middle, I'm a blue dog Democrat, and one that is interested in making sure that our country maintains our prosperity and frankly, our superiority over other countries and that's where we look at these threat, obviously our defense budget, our level of education," she said in an interview with Fox this week.
This is a breaking news story, check back for details. The Associated Press and NBC News contributed to this report.

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Congresswoman Giffords, others shot in Ariz.
Congressional aide, federal judge reportedly killed in shooting outside Tucson store

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Rep. Gabrielle Giffords of Arizona was shot in the head Saturday and an aide and federal judge killed when an assailant opened fire outside a grocery store as the Democratic lawmaker met with constituents, officials said.
C.J. Karamargin, a spokesman for Giffords, said the congresswoman was in surgery as of 1 p.m. local time and that an unspecified number of Giffords staff members were injured in the shooting. Karamargin said he had no other information on the conditions of the injured or on the circumstances of the shooting.
Federal officials told NBC News that U.S. District Court Judge John M. Roll was among those who was shot and had died. He was the chief judge in Arizona, appointed in 1991 by the first President Bush. He became chief judge in 2006.
Congressional officials said an aide to Giffords also was killed, and unknown number of others were injured, including staffers to the lawmaker.



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Post by TerryRose on Sat Jan 08, 2011 4:07 pm

JMO here: I mourn the loss of a little child who stopped one of the bullets. God rest your soul, little one, another innocent lost to evil.

Secondly, will the crazed partisans now stop their inciting to riot and inciting to assassinate other politicians that don't agree with their agendas? Will this be enough for them to realize that crazies take action on their words that they shout under the protection of the first amendment? This congresswoman was one of those targeted democrats during the election campaign that had her office windows shot out and had been threatened. Will opposing political forces please get rational in their rhetoric now? Can we please return to a time of credibility, integrity in our words, and civility? If our political parties do not learn from this not to arouse the crazies who act upon them, then we are destined to have yet more martyrs in this country, who are shot dead and made disabled while simply shopping in a food store. Alas, I think many of these rabblerousers won't care as much as I and will continue inciting the weakminded among us, all the while championing the rights of everyone to carry loaded weapons without regard for their sanity or their ages. This last week we have seen a 10 year old shoot dead his mother, this tragedy unfolds, and too many others to remember as I write this have fallen victim to someone else's right to carry and possess a gun, without regard for their ability in judgement to carry one responsibly.
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UPDATE:Federal judge, 9-year-old boy among those killed in Arizona shooting

By TERRY TANG, AMANDA LEE MYERS and DAVID ESPO, Associated Press Terry Tang, Amanda Lee Myers And David Espo, Associated Press – 7 mins ago

TUCSON, Ariz. – Rep. Gabrielle Giffords of Arizona was shot in the head Saturday when an assailant opened fire outside a grocery store during a meeting with constituents, killing at least five people and wounding several others in a rampage that rattled the nation.

Giffords was among at least 10 people wounded, and the hospital said her outlook was "optimistic" and that she was responding to commands from doctors. The hospital said a 9-year-old child was among the killed, and a U.S. Marshal said a federal judge was also fatally shot in the attack.

Giffords spokesman C.J. Karamargin said an unspecified number of her staff members were injured in the shooting. Congressional officials said an aide to the Democrat was killed, and President Barack Obama said five people died in all.

Police say the shooter was in custody, and was identified by people familiar with the investigation as Jared Loughner, 22. Pima County Sheriff's officials said he used a pistol to carry out the shooting spree. U.S. officials who provided his name to the AP spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to release it publicly.

The shooting prompted an outpouring of sympathy from politicians and people around the country. President Barack Obama called the shooting "an unspeakable tragedy" and that such "a senseless and terrible act of violence has no place in a free society." Obama sent his FBI director to oversee the investigation.

"It's not surprising that today Gabby was doing what she always does, listening to the hopes and concerns of her neighbors," Obama said in a nationally televised news conference. "That is the essence of what our democracy is about."

Federal law enforcement officials were poring over captured versions of a MySpace page that belonged to Jared Loughner and over Youtube video published to the Internet weeks ago under an account "Classitup10" and linked to him. The MySpace page, which was removed within minutes of the gunman being identified by U.S. officials, included a mysterious "Goodbye friends" message published hours before the shooting and exhorted his friends to "Please don't be mad at me."

In one of several Youtube videos, which featured text against a dark background, Loughner described inventing a new U.S. currency and complained about the illiteracy rate among people living in Giffords' congressional district in Arizona. Two spellings of his last name were given in the aftermath of the shooting — Loughner and Laughner.

"I know who's listening: Government Officials, and the People," Loughner wrote. "Nearly all the people, who don't know this accurate information of a new currency, aren't aware of mind control and brainwash methods. If I have my civil rights, then this message wouldn't have happen (sic)."


Three hours after the shooting, the L-shaped shopping center in Tucson was blocked off by police and had fire trucks and other vehicles in its parking lot that blocked the view of the store's front door. No shell casing could be seen from the area 500 yards from the store where reporters and photographers were kept.

Outside Giffords' office on Capitol Hill, a handful of congressional staffers could be seen walking into her office without comment, some with roller bags and one who was in tears. About a half dozen yellow flowers, placed by one mourner, sat outside the door.

U.S. Marshal for Arizona David Gonzales confirmed to the Associated Press that U.S. District Judge John Roll also died in the attack.

Giffords, 40, was re-elected to her third term last November. She was a member of the Arizona House and Senate before coming to Washington.

Giffords tweeted shortly before the shooting, describing her "Congress on Your Corner" event: "My 1st Congress on Your Corner starts now. Please stop by to let me know what is on your mind or tweet me later."

Giffords is married to astronaut Mark E. Kelly, who has piloted space shuttles Endeavour and Discovery. The two met in China in 2003 while they were serving on a committee there, and were married in January 2007.

In a statement of condolence, Sen. Bill Nelson, chairman of the Senate Commerce Space and Science Subcommittee, said her husband is training to be the next commander of the space shuttle mission slated for April. His brother is currently serving aboard the International Space Station, he said.

Giffords was first elected to Congress amid a wave of Democratic victories in the 2006 election, and she won a narrow victory against a tea party favorite in the 2010 election.

She has been mentioned as a possible Democratic nominee in 2012 for the U.S. Senate seat held by Republican Jon Kyl, who has not said whether he'll run again, or for the governor's office in 2014.

The shooting comes amid a highly charged political environment that has seen several dangerous threats against lawmakers but nothing that reached the point of actual violence.

A San Francisco man upset with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's support of health care reform pleaded guilty to threatening the Democratic congresswoman and her family, calling her directly on March 25 and threatening to destroy her Northern California home if she voted for health care reform.

In July, a California man known for his anger over left-leaning politics engaged in a shootout with highway patrol officers after planning an attack on the ACLU and another nonprofit group. The man said he wanted to "start a revolution" by killing people at the ACLU and the Tides Foundation.

Giffords herself has drawn the ire of the right, especially for her support of the health care bill from politicians like Sarah Palin.

Her Tucson office was vandalized a few hours after the House vote to approve the health care law in March, with someone either kicking or shooting out a glass door and window. In an interview after the vandalism, Giffords referred to the animosity against her by conservatives. Palin listed Giffords' seat as one of the top "targets" in the midterm elections because of the lawmakers' support for the health care law.

"For example, we're on Sarah Palin's targeted list, but the thing is, that the way that she has it depicted has the crosshairs of a gun sight over our district. When people do that, they have to realize that there are consequences to that action," Giffords said in an interview with MSNBC.

In the hours after the shooting, Palin issued a statement in which she expressed her "sincere condolences" to the family of Giffords and the other victims.

Capitol police responded to the shooting by advising lawmakers and their staff to "take reasonable and prudent precautions regarding their personal security."

Despite her clashes with the right, Giffords describes herself as a former Republican and current Blue Dog Democrat.

"You know, actually as a former Republican, you know, I consider myself someone who is pretty in the middle, I'm a blue dog Democrat, and one that is interested in making sure that our country maintains our prosperity and frankly, our superiority over other countries and that's where we look at these threat, obviously our defense budget, our level of education," she said in an interview with Fox News Channel this week.

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Associated Press Writers Jacques Billeaud, Pauline Arrillaga and Paul Davenport in Phoenix and Matt Apuzzo in Washington contributed to this report. Espo contributed from Washington.

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UPDATE:Officials say Arizona shooting suspect claims he acted alone

By TERRY TANG, AMANDA LEE MYERS and DAVID ESPO, Associated Press Terry Tang, Amanda Lee Myers And David Espo, Associated Press – 25 mins ago

TUCSON, Ariz. – Rep. Gabrielle Giffords of Arizona was shot in the head Saturday when an assailant opened fire outside a grocery store during a meeting with constituents, killing at least five people and wounding several others in a rampage that rattled the nation.

Giffords was among at least 10 people wounded, and the hospital said her outlook was "optimistic" and that she was responding to commands from doctors despite having a bullet go through her head. The hospital said a 9-year-old child was among the dead, and a U.S. Marshal said a federal judge was also fatally shot in the attack.

Giffords spokesman C.J. Karamargin said an unspecified number of her staff members were injured in the shooting. Congressional officials said an aide to the Democrat was killed, and President Barack Obama said five people died in all. The reaction to the shooting was swift and rippled across the globe. Obama held a nationally televised news conference to express his condolences. The shooting cast a pall over Capitol as politicians of all stripes denounced the shooting as a horrific act of violence. Capitol police asked members of Congress to step up security in the wake of the shooting, and some politicians expressed hope that the killing spree serves as a wakeup call at a time when the political climate has become so emotionally charged.

"I am horrified by the senseless attack on Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords and members of her staff," newly elected House Speaker John Boehner said. "An attack on one who serves is an attack on all who serve. Acts and threats of violence against public officials have no place in our society. Our prayers are with Congresswoman Giffords, her staff, all who were injured, and their families. This is a sad day for our country."

Police say the shooter was in custody, and was identified by people familiar with the investigation as Jared Loughner, 22. Pima County Sheriff's officials said he used a pistol to carry out the shooting spree. U.S. officials who provided his name to the AP spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to release it publicly.

His exact motivation was not immediately clear. Federal law enforcement officials were poring over captured versions of a MySpace page that belonged to Jared Loughner and over Youtube video published to the Internet weeks ago under an account "Classitup10" and linked to him. The MySpace page, which was removed within minutes of the gunman being identified by U.S. officials, included a mysterious "Goodbye friends" message published hours before the shooting and exhorted his friends to "Please don't be mad at me."

In one of several Youtube videos, which featured text against a dark background, Loughner described inventing a new U.S. currency and complained about the illiteracy rate among people living in Giffords' congressional district in Arizona. Two spellings of his last name were given in the aftermath of the shooting — Loughner and Laughner.

"I know who's listening: Government Officials, and the People," Loughner wrote. "Nearly all the people, who don't know this accurate information of a new currency, aren't aware of mind control and brainwash methods. If I have my civil rights, then this message wouldn't have happen (sic)."

U.S. Marshal for Arizona David Gonzales confirmed to the Associated Press that U.S. District Judge John Roll was one of the dead.

Giffords, 40, was first elected to Congress amid a wave of Democratic victories in the 2006 election, and she won a narrow victory against a tea party favorite in the 2010 election. She has been mentioned as a possible Senate candidate in 2012 and gubernatorial prospect in 2014.

Giffords is married to astronaut Mark E. Kelly, who has piloted space shuttles Endeavour and Discovery. The two met in China in 2003 while they were serving on a committee there, and were married in January 2007.

Sen. Bill Nelson, chairman of the Senate Commerce Space and Science Subcommittee, said her husband is training to be the next commander of the space shuttle mission slated for April. His brother is currently serving aboard the International Space Station, Nelson said.

Giffords, known as "Gabby" in Arizona, tweeted shortly before the shooting, describing her "Congress on Your Corner" event: "My 1st Congress on Your Corner starts now. Please stop by to let me know what is on your mind or tweet me later."

"It's not surprising that today Gabby was doing what she always does, listening to the hopes and concerns of her neighbors," Obama said. "That is the essence of what our democracy is about."

Giffords has drawn the ire of the right in the last year, especially from politicians like Sarah Palin over her support of the health care bill.

Her Tucson office was vandalized a few hours after the House voted to approve the health care law in March, with someone either kicking or shooting out a glass door and window. In an interview after the vandalism, Giffords referred to the animosity against her by conservatives. Palin listed Giffords' seat as one of the top "targets" in the midterm elections because of the lawmakers' support for the health care law.

"For example, we're on Sarah Palin's targeted list, but the thing is, that the way that she has it depicted has the crosshairs of a gun sight over our district. When people do that, they have to realize that there are consequences to that action," Giffords said in an interview with MSNBC.

In the hours after the shooting, Palin issued a statement in which she expressed her "sincere condolences" to the family of Giffords and the other victims.

Law enforcement officials and reporters from around the country descended on Tucson, the second biggest city in the state and home to the University of Arizona. The scene has been converted into a command post with about a dozen or so emergency vehicles and agents in FBI jackets milling about the location.

The shooting occurred at a shopping center called La Toscana Village that is home to a Beyond Bread bakery, a Jenny Craig, a cleaners, a nail salon and the Safeway grocery store near the scene of the crime.

Outside Giffords' office on Capitol Hill, a handful of congressional staffers could be seen walking into her office without comment, some with roller bags and one who was in tears. About a half dozen yellow flowers placed by one mourner sat outside the door.

In Loughner's middle-class neighborhood — about a five-minute drive from the scene — sheriff's deputies had much of the street blocked off as curious neighbors asked what was going on. The neighborhood sits just off a bustling Tucson street and is lined with desert landscaping and palm trees.

Neighbors said Loughner kept to himself but that they often saw him walking his dog, almost always wearing a hooded sweat shirt listening to his iPod. Neighbors said Loughner lived with his parents.

"We're getting out of here. We are freaked out," 33-year-old David Cleveland, who lives a few doors down from Loughner's house, told The Associated Press.

Cleveland said he was taking his wife and children, ages 5 and 7, to her parent's home when they heard about the shooting.

"When we heard about it we just got sick to our stomachs," Cleveland said. "We just wanted to hold our kids tight."

Caroline LaPer, who lives only a few blocks from the crime scene and was walking her golden retriever past the store Saturday afternoon, was looking out her window earlier in the day when she saw helicopters circling above. Then her husband called from a home show in downtown Tucson to say "There's been a shooting at Safeway. Don't go anywhere."

"It's just devastating. It's numbing. It's disheartening," said Caroline LaPer, who didn't witness the shooting. "What is going on this world?"

The shooting comes amid a highly charged political environment that has seen several dangerous threats against lawmakers but nothing that reached the point of actual violence.

A San Francisco man upset with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's support of health care reform pleaded guilty to threatening the Democratic congresswoman and her family, calling her directly on March 25 and threatening to destroy her Northern California home if she voted for health care reform.

In July, a California man known for his anger over left-leaning politics engaged in a shootout with highway patrol officers after planning an attack on the ACLU and another nonprofit group. The man said he wanted to "start a revolution" by killing people at the ACLU and the Tides Foundation.

During the his campaign effort to unseat Giffords in November, Republican challenger Jesse Kelly held fundraisers where he urged supporters to help remove Giffords from office by joining him to shoot a fully loaded M-16 rifle. Kelly is a former Marine who served in Iraq and was pictured on his website in military gear holding his automatic weapon and promoting the event.

"I don't see the connection," between the fundraisers featuring weapons and Saturday's shooting, said John Ellinwood, Kelly's spokesman. "I don't know this person, we cannot find any records that he was associated with the campaign in any way. I just don't see the connection.

"Arizona is a state where people are firearms owners — this was just a deranged individual," Ellinwood said.

Giffords is known in her southern Arizona district for her numerous public outreach meetings, which she admitted0 in an October interview with The Associated Press can sometimes be challenging.

"You know, the crazies on all sides, the people who come out, the planet earth people," she said with a following an appearance with Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, in Tucson where Mullen was questioned by a woman who wanted the military to start "building cities instead of destroying them." "I'm glad this just doesn't happen to me."

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Post by raine1953 on Sat Jan 08, 2011 6:51 pm

I do NOT want to start any rumors but I just heard on CNN that a suspicious package was found outside Gillford's office in AZ and that LE are evacuating the area right now, as a precaution.
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Shooting suspect may not have acted alone, Arizona sheriff says

By TERRY TANG, AMANDA LEE MYERS and DAVID ESPO, Associated Press Terry Tang, Amanda Lee Myers And David Espo, Associated Press – 19 mins ago

TUCSON, Ariz. – Rep. Gabrielle Giffords of Arizona was shot in the head Saturday by a gunman who opened fire outside a grocery store during a meeting with voters, killing a federal judge and five others in a rampage that rattled the country and left Americans questioning whether divisive politics had pushed the suspect over the edge.

Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik said Giffords was the target of a gunman whom he described as mentally unstable and possibly acting along with an accomplice. He said Giffords was among 13 people wounded in the melee that killed six people, including Arizona's chief federal judge, a 9-year-old girl and an aide for the Democratic lawmaker. He said the rampage ended only after two people tackled the gunman.

Doctors were optimistic about Giffords surviving as she was responding to commands from doctors despite having a bullet go through her head. "With guarded optimism, I hope she will survive, but this is a very devastating wound," said Dr. Richard Carmona, the former surgeon general who lives in Tucson.

The sheriff pointed to the vitriolic political rhetoric that has consumed the country as he denounced the shooting that claimed several of his friends as victims, including U.S. District Judge John Roll. The judge attended Mass on Saturday morning like he does every day before stopping by to say hello to his good friend Giffords.

"When you look at unbalanced people, how they respond to the vitriol that comes out of certain mouths about tearing down the government. The anger, the hatred, the bigotry that goes on in this country is getting to be outrageous," the sheriff said. "And unfortunately, Arizona I think has become the capital. We have become the mecca for prejudice and bigotry."

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By AMANDA LEE MYERS, Associated Press Amanda Lee Myers, Associated Press – 1 hr 46 mins ago

TUCSON, Ariz. – A loud noise rattled more than 100 people attending a candle light vigil on Saturday near the headquarters of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, where authorities were investigating a suspicious package hours after she was wounded in a shooting rampage in Tucson.

Police department spokesman Lt. Fabian Pacheco said an officer checking Giffords' office had found "a real strange" device that he said resembled a coffee can and had writing on it. Pacheco would not disclose what the writing said. A bomb squad had been working to render the device safe before the loud noise was heard.

Authorities did not immediately say whether the noise was caused by contents within the package or from authorities' efforts to destroy the device and render it safe.

"It's been a horrible and tragic day," he said. "The prudent thing for us is to take everything seriously."

Earlier Saturday, Giffords was holding a forum for constituents when the violence erupted, killing six and wounding several others, including the Democratic co
Pacheco said there was no threat to public safety.

At the candle light vigil held, people huddled in the cold, held candles and read signs that said "Peace," and "Just Pray."

"She's just a great person," said Margaret Robles, 64, a retired teacher's aide who knew Gifford's grandparents. "She didn't care what color, what race, if you could read or if you were a scholar. She treated you as an equal."

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Bookended by tragedy, a too-short life leaves a void

Tucson, Arizona (CNN) -- She was born on Sept. 11, 2001, and died in Saturday's shootings here. Christina Green's father says the nine years in between were special.
"It does say something about our society that our daughter was born on a tragic day and taken out on a tragic day," John Green told CNN's Casey Wian Sunday.
Christina attended the event hosted by Rep. Gabrielle Giffords because she had recently been chosen for the student council at Mesa Verde Elementary School, where families left flowers and a note that read, in part, "We are deeply saddened by the loss of this precious child."
"She was a great friend, a great sister, a great daughter," said Christina's mother, Roxana Green. "We're so proud of her and I just want everyone to know ... that we got robbed, she got robbed, of a beautiful life that she could have had."
John Green said the reality of the overwhelming loss struck him early Sunday. "There's gonna be a lot of those kind of moments -- just waking up," he said, choking back tears. "She comes up and says, 'Daddy, it's time to get up,' and she didn't do that this morning."
Christina's father is a scout for the Los Angeles Dodgers; her grandfather, Dallas Green, won a World Series as manager of the Philadelphia Phillies. She was one of the few girls who played on the Canyon del Oro Little League.
Christina represented Maryland in a book published in 2002 called "Faces of Hope: Babies Born on 9/11" that was written by Christine Pisera Naman, who herself gave birth to a child on that day.
Two messages of hope accompany Christina's picture, which shows her smiling, a bow in her hair.
Opposite the picture reads: "I hope you help those in need. I hope you see rainbows." On the back reads: I hope you know all of the words to the national anthem and sing it with your hand over your heart. I hope you jump in rain puddles."
Naman said she learned of the killing Saturday night. "I was heartbroken," she said. "My heart goes out to the Green family and every prayer I have is with them."

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Post by Wrapitup on Mon Jan 10, 2011 7:33 am

This whole thing is just so sad. It makes me wonder if this is just the beginning. I pray not!

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Docs optimistic, but Giffords in for long recovery

By AMANDA LEE MYERS and LAURAN NEERGAARD, Associated Press Amanda Lee Myers And Lauran Neergaard, Associated Press – 17 mins ago

- TUCSON, Ariz. – Recovering from a gunshot wound to the head depends on the bullet's path, and while doctors are optimistic about Rep. Gabrielle Giffords' odds, it can take weeks to months to tell the damage.

Doctors say the bullet traveled the length of the left side of the Arizona congresswoman's brain, entering the back of the skull and exiting the front.

Fortunately, it stayed on one side of her brain, not hitting the so-called "eloquent areas" in the brain's center where such wounds almost always prove fatal.

Importantly, Giffords was responding nonverbally Sunday to simple commands in the emergency room — things like "squeeze my hand."

That implies "a very high level of functioning in the brain," said Dr. Michael Lemole of Tucson's University Medical Center, Giffords' neurosurgeon.

Now, her biggest threat is brain swelling. Surgeons removed half of her skull to give the tissues room to expand without additional bruising, Lemole said.

That bone is being preserved and can be reimplanted once the swelling abates, a technique the military uses with war injuries, added his colleague and trauma surgeon Dr. Peter Rhee.

Adding to Giffords' good prospects is that paramedics got her to the operating room in 38 minutes, her doctors said. Now she is being kept in a medically induced coma, deep sedation that rests her brain. It requires a ventilator, meaning she cannot speak. Doctors periodically lift her sedation to do tests and said she continues to respond well to commands.

The brain's left side does control speech abilities and the movement and sensation of the body's right side, Lemole noted. But he wouldn't speculate on lasting damage, saying, "we've seen the full gamut" in such trauma.

That's the mystery of brain injury: There's no way to predict just how much disability a wound that traverses multiple regions will leave, because our neural connections are so individual.

"The same injury in me and you could have different effects," said Dr. Bizhan Aarabi, chief of neurotrauma at the University of Maryland's Shock Trauma Center, who has long studied penetrating brain injuries.

"The belief is if you get shot in the head, you're dead, but it isn't like that," agreed the University of Miami's Dr. Ross Bullock, chief of neurotrauma at Jackson Memorial Hospital. He cared for a man shot in the head with an AK-47 who two years later is back to work full-time and "a normal person."

"Every patient is an individual and more so with a gunshot than anything else," he said.

There are few statistics, but doctors agree that well over 90 percent of gunshot wounds to the head are fatal. Aarabi cited his own study of 600 Maryland cases that found 95 percent were dead before arriving at the hospital.

Survivors have something in common with Giffords, Aarabi said: A good "Glasgow coma score," a way to measure responsiveness, upon arriving at the hospital. That pre-surgery outlook is important because doctors can't reverse the bullet's damage, just remove fragments to fight infection and swelling. Giffords' surgeons said they didn't have to remove a lot of dead brain tissue.

The amount of disability depends on how much damage is done to what brain region. A bullet that crosses into both sides, or hemispheres, can leave extensive lasting damage. That's what happened with James Brady, President Ronald Reagan's press secretary, who was left with slurred speech and uses a wheelchair after being shot during the 1981 assassination attempt on Reagan.

In contrast, one of neurology's most famous cases was Phineas Gage who in 1848 survived a 3-foot iron rod blasting into his skull but suffered personality changes from damage to the prefrontal cortex.

It can take weeks to tell the extent of damage, and months of intense rehabilitation to try to spur the brain's capacity to recover. In addition, more than half of survivors go on to suffer seizures and need anti-epilepsy medication, Miami's Bullock said.

"We talk about recovery in months to years," said Griffords' surgeon Lemole.

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Post by raine1953 on Mon Jan 10, 2011 12:18 pm

Oops! I did that wrong but the above is from Good Morning America this morning and is very good info from Woodward talking about traumatic brain injury and comparing his to what he knows about Giffords.
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What I am actually looking for is the quote that I heard this afternoon from a spokesperson of the group that protests at military funerals. In disbelief, I heard the quote that this group plans to protest and picket the funerals of those slain in that parking lot, but moreover, they include plans to demonstrate and protest the 9 year old little girl's funeral. Somebody ought to investigate the water supply for evidence of so many minds that have grown incapable of rational thought----am I ranting?---you betcha!-----I am angry over this callousness and darn sick of it.
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Gabrielle Giffords shooting: Frightening, twisted shrine in Arizona killer Jared Lee Loughner's yard

BY Matthew Lysiak In Tucson and Lukas I. Alpert
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Originally Published:Monday, January 10th 2011, 4:00 AM
Updated: Monday, January 10th 2011, 11:40 AM

Miniature altar with human skull replica in backyard tent at Jared Lee Loughner's home.

(There is a picture of the shrine with the human skull replica on the above website.) (See the website above.)

A sinister shrine reveals a chilling occult dimension in the mind of the deranged gunman accused of shooting a member of Congress and 19 others.

Hidden within a camouflage tent behind Jared Lee Loughner's home sits an alarming altar with a skull sitting atop a pot filled with shriveled oranges.

A row of ceremonial candles and a bag of potting soil lay nearby, photos reveal.

Experts on Sunday said the elements are featured in the ceremonies of a number of occult groups.

Investigators have focused on Loughner's online anti-government ramblings as the chief motivation for the shooting Saturday of U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-Ariz.).

The discovery of the shrine raises the possibility that Loughner, 22, may have been driven by other forces. Students and faculty at Pima Community College, which he attended until his suspension last summer, said Loughner was clearly at odds with the world.

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"He was one of the last kids tocome in, and he sat down and almost immediately started laughing to himself in a way that was just kind of creepy," a classmate, Alex Kotonias, 20, told USA Today.

"As soon as the teacher started going over the syllabus, he had this outburst out of nowhere, didn't even raise his hand, and started asking the teacher some sort of weird questions about whether he believed in mind control."

Adjunct Prof. Ben McGahee, 28, worried about violence. "I remember going home and thinking to myself, 'Is he going to bring a weapon to class?'" he told USA Today.

Lynda Sorenson, 52, who was in McGahee's basic algebra class with Loughner, expressed similar fears in emails to friends, The Washington Post reports.




Inside Jared Lee Loughner's home (DAILY NEWS EXCLUSIVE).

Adjunct Prof. Ben McGahee, 28, worried about violence. "I remember going home and thinking to myself, 'Is he going to bring a weapon to class?'" he told USA Today.

Lynda Sorenson, 52, who was in McGahee's basic algebra class with Loughner, expressed similar fears in emails to friends, The Washington Post reports.

On June 14, she wrote: "We have a mentally unstable person in the class that scares the living crap out of me. He is one of those whose picture you see on the news, after he has come into class with an automatic weapon. Everyone interviewed would say, 'Yeah, he was in my math class and he was really weird.' I sit by the door with my purse handy."

In September, college officials sent campus police officers to Loughner's home, where he lives with his parents, with a letter informing him he could not return without a mental health professional's written assurance that hispresence at college would "notpresent a danger to himself or others."

"It was obvious to everyone that Jared wasn't a normal guy,"said neighbor Anthony Woods, 19.


[/b]Loughner worked as a volunteer at the Pima Animal Care Center, where he walked dogs and cleaned cages. "He loved animals and was a good worker," said another volunteer.

Loughner had once tried to join the military but was deemed unsuitable, officials said.

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Post by Praying For Faith on Mon Jan 10, 2011 11:29 pm

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Is this the group you are talking about? Maybe what you are looking for is in this article.

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Westboro Baptist Church to picket funeral of 9-year-old Tucson shooting victim

January 9th, 2011 12:49 pm ET

Speaking of hatred that knows no bounds or party affiliation, the Westboro Baptist Church, famous for picketing the funerals of slain members of the American military, has announced plans to disrupt the funeral of the youngest of yesterday’s shooting victims, 9-year-old Christina Greene.

The child was among the six fatalities that resulted from a shooting spree in Tucson by Jared Lee Loughner that left Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords hospitalized with a brain injury. Christina, who was the granddaughter of former Philadelphia Phillies manager Dallas Green, had just been elected to the student council at school. She wanted to attend the event to see real government in action.

Westboro’s founder, Fred Phelps has run in several Kansas Democratic Party primaries, but has never won. In his most successful bid, as a candidate for the U.S. Senate in 1992, he received 31 percent of the vote.

Phelps was an enormous supporter of Al Gore 1988 Democratic Party primary election and in 2003 wrote a letter to Saddam Hussein, praising his regime for being


the only Muslim state that allows the Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ to be freely and openly preached on the streets.

Phelps’s most recent funeral disruption was of Elizabeth Edwards last month, but somehow picketing the funeral of a child is an act that causes even the staunchest defender of freedom of speech to question the law’s boundaries.




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This is just the case of another demented seriously mentally ill person. Evidently his whole family was very strange.

If his neighbors, college professors and students had seen this and were afraid of him, why didn't he get mental help before this happened. We are seeing more and more of this today.

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A classmate of 22-year-old Jared Loughner -- who shot Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-Ariz.) in the head, critically wounding her before killing six others over the weekend -- told Mother Jones magazine in an extensive interview Monday of how he received a phone call from him just hours before his murderous rampage.

In the interview, Bryce Tierney who met Loughner in middle school and then attended high school with him, described the details on the phone call and his former friend’s previous interactions with Giffords, his drug use and keeping of a “dream” journal.

Tierney, 22, said he did not pick up Loughner’s call at 2am on the morning of the shooting because he was watching TV. He later checked his voicemail to find a message that said simply: "Hey man, it's Jared. Me and you had good times. Peace out. Later."

When Tierney first heard about the shooting and that Giffords was one of the victims, he immediately suspected his ex-friend. "They hadn't released the name, but I said, 'Holy sh*t, I think it's Jared that did it,'" Tierney told Mother Jones.

Tierney added that Loughner had held a grudge against Giffords for years and constantly told friends that she was a “fake.” He recounted to the magazine a story in which Loughner told him about attending a Giffords campaign event in 2007 during which she did not answer a question to his satisfaction.

"He told me that she opened up the floor for questions and he asked a question. The question was, 'What is government if words have no meaning?'

"He said, 'Can you believe it, they wouldn't answer my question,' and I told him, 'Dude, no one's going to answer that,'" Tierney told the magazine. "Ever since that, he thought she was fake, he had something against her."

Tierney said that Loughner would occasionally mention Giffords to his friends which is why he feared the worst when he heard about Saturday’s massacre.

"It wasn't a day-in, day-out thing, but maybe once in a while, if Giffords did something that was ridiculous or passed some stupid law or did something stupid, he related that to people. But the thing I remember most is just that question. I don't remember him stalking her or anything," he said.

Tierney recalled that his friend wasn’t political in the sense that he belonged to a certain party, but did believe that government was "f*cking us over."

"I saw his dream journal once," Tierney added, saying that Loughner had become very interested in the concept of conscious dreaming. "That's the golden piece of evidence. You want to know what goes on in Jared Loughner's mind, there's a dream journal that will tell you everything."

Tierney also told the magazine about Loughner’s drug use and that he remained positive that he was drug-free for a long period prior to the shooting. He recounted how Loughner had visited him in Phoenix in October 2008 and announced that he would no longer smoke marijuana or cigarettes any more.

According to Tierney, Loughner said, "I'm going to lead a more healthy lifestyle, not smoke cigarettes or pot anymore, and I'm going to start working out." Tierney said he never saw his friend smoke marijuana again, noting that he was suspicious of media reports that indicated Loughner had been rejected by the army for failing a drug test.

"He was clean, clean. I saw him after that continuously. He would not do it," Tierney told Mother Jones.

Fox News reported Monday that Loughner’s application to the US Army in December 2008 was rejected because in his application he had admitted to using marijuana numerous times.

Tierney said that it was after he quit drugs that Loughner began to act strangely.

"After he quit, he was just off the wall,” Tierney said.

Asked how he felt about missing his friend’s call just hours before the shooting, Tierney told the magazine: "I sort of wish I would have. I wonder what would have happened if I answered it."








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Speaking of hatred that knows no bounds or party affiliation, the Westboro Baptist Church, famous for picketing the funerals of slain members of the American military, has announced plans to disrupt the funeral of the youngest of yesterday’s shooting victims, 9-year-old Christina Greene.

The child was among the six fatalities that resulted from a shooting spree in Tucson by Jared Lee Loughner that left Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords hospitalized with a brain injury. Christina, who was the granddaughter of former Philadelphia Phillies manager Dallas Green, had just been elected to the student council at school. She wanted to attend the event to see real government in action.

Westboro’s founder, Fred Phelps has run in several Kansas Democratic Party primaries, but has never won. In his most successful bid, as a candidate for the U.S. Senate in 1992, he received 31 percent of the vote.

Phelps was an enormous supporter of Al Gore 1988 Democratic Party primary election and in 2003 wrote a letter to Saddam Hussein, praising his regime for being


the only Muslim state that allows the Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ to be freely and openly preached on the streets.

Phelps’s most recent funeral disruption was of Elizabeth Edwards last month, but somehow picketing the funeral of a child is an act that causes even the staunchest defender of freedom of speech to question the law’s boundaries.



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Parents of shooting suspect, Jared Loughner, devastated

By JUSTIN PRITCHARD and AMANDA LEE MYERS, Associated Press Justin Pritchard And Amanda Lee Myers, Associated Press – 40 mins ago

TUCSON, Ariz. – The parents of a man charged with trying to assassinate Rep. Gabrielle Giffords are devastated and guilt-ridden, a neighbor said, mourning their own tragedy as Tucson residents prepared Tuesday for a community memorial service and a visit from the president.

Jared Loughner's mother has been in bed, crying nonstop since the shooting rampage on Saturday, neighbor Wayne Smith, 70, told KPHO-TV. Amy and Randy Loughner want to know where they went wrong with their 22-year-old son.

The younger Loughner is charged with trying to kill the Democratic lawmaker and killing a federal judge.

"I told them they didn't fail. They taught him everything about right and wrong," Smith said. "We all know you can teach someone everything and have no control how it works out."

Loughner's parents have not appeared publicly or spoken since the incident, though Smith said the father plans to release a statement.

At University Medical Center, Giffords remained in critical condition, but doctors said she is able to draw breathes on her own. Dr. Michael Lemole, Giffords' neurosurgeon, said, however, that doctors left the breathing tube in Giffords to protect her airway.

When asked about swelling in her brain on the third day, which is when it often reaches its peak after an injury, Lemole said a CT scan early Tuesday showed no increase in swelling. But he cautioned that it can sometimes take longer for brain swelling to reach its peak.

Meanwhile, the parents of one of Loughner's close friends, Zach Osler, described a troubled relationship between the suspect and his parents. He is their only child.

In an interview with The Associated Press, George and Roxanne Osler recalled the only time they met the rest of his family.

In 2008, the Loughner parents showed up at the Osler's doorstep looking for their son, who had left home about a week before and broken off all contact, George Osler IV said.

Jared often spent time at the Osler's place, sometimes watching conspiracy-theory movies with Zach and his younger brother, George V.

Mrs. Osler said she was struck by how unfailingly polite he was — far more so than their son's other teenage friends.

With the Loughners at his house, Zach Osler told them the name of the local hotel where their son was staying. The Loughners were able to patch things up and Jared moved back in with his parents, Zach's father said.

After that, the elder Osler sometimes would see Mrs. Loughner at the local supermarket, though they didn't chat much. He recalled that every time he saw her she had at least one 30-pack of beer in her cart.

Jared Loughner grew up on a typical Tucson block of low-slung homes with palm trees and cactus gardens out front.

Loughner's father moved into the house as a bachelor, and eventually got married and the Loughners had Jared, longtime next-door neighbor George Gayan said. Property records show Randy Loughner has lived there since 1977.

Gayan said he had "differences of opinion but nothing where it was radical or violent." He declined to provide specifics.

"As time went on, they indicated they wanted privacy," Gayan said. Friends of Jared Loughner have described him as a loner.

Unlike other homes on the block, the Loughners' is obscured by plants.

Amy Loughner got a job with the county just before Jared was born, and since at least 2002 has been the supervisor for Roy P. Drachman Agua Caliente Park on the outskirts of the city. She earns $25.70 an hour, according to Gwyn Hatcher, Pima County's human resources director.

Randy Lougher apparently has not worked for years — at least outside his home. One thing he did do was fix up cars. Gayan said he had three "show cars" and two of Jared Lougher's friends said he bought a junker '69 orange Chevrolet Nova and made it pristine.

On Monday, Jared Loughner appeared in court wearing a beige prison jumpsuit and handcuffs and sporting a pink gash on the hairline of his shaved head. A judge asked if he understood that he could get life in prison — or the death penalty — for killing federal Judge John Roll.

"Yes," Loughner replied.

Loughner was being held without bail.

Meanwhile, residents of Tucson prepared for memorial services Tuesday for the six killed in the shooting.

A Mass for all the victims at St. Odelia's Parish in Tucson — was set for Tuesday evening, and President Barack Obama was scheduled to arrive in Arizona Wednesday for a memorial service days after calling the attack a tragedy for the entire country.

Loughner's court appearance in Phoenix on Monday gave the nation a first look at the man authorities say is responsible for the shooting that also left 14 injured outside a Tucson supermarket where Giffords had set up a booth to hear the concerns of constituents.

Eric Fuller, one of the survivors, said Tuesday on the CBS "The Early Show" that he felt the bullet that hit his knee but didn't know he had also been hit in the back.

"Not wanting to leave the world very soon, and not thinking that I could do very much except maybe get killed trying to stop him from the vantage point that I was at, I fell to the ground, as other people were doing — and expected the worst to occur after that," he said.

Loughner is charged with one count of attempted assassination of a member of Congress, two counts of killing an employee of the federal government and two counts of attempting to kill a federal employee. Those are federal charges.

His newly appointed lawyer is Judy Clarke, who defended "Unabomber" Ted Kaczynski.

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Jared Lee Loughner, pictured in his mug shot, was charged with murder and attempted assassination of Arizona Democrat Rep. Gabrielle Giffords. Giffords was shot in the head just north of Tuscon in Prima County, Ariz. on Jan. 8.

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A sinister skull sitting atop a pot filled with shriveled oranges reveals a chilling occult dimension in the mind of the deranged gunman, Jared Lee Loughner, accused of shooting a member of Congress and 19 others. A row of ceremonial candles and a bag of potting soil lay nearby, photos reveal. Read more: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]



Experts on Sunday said the elements are featured in the ceremonies of a number of occult groups.

Investigators have focused on Loughner's online anti-government ramblings as the chief motivation for the shooting Saturday.

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Post by CritterFan1 on Tue Jan 11, 2011 5:15 pm

I hate that little Christina's funeral will be disrupted. From all that I have read of Christina, she was a fine young child. Being a child of :Hope: born on Sept 11th gave her an early sense of politics and what people can do for their country. What a loss for her family. My prayers go out to the family of the 9 yr old boy, also. Such a tragedy. :(
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Post by charminglane on Tue Jan 11, 2011 5:57 pm

Yes, this guy is as wacky as they come. However, I, too have had skulls in flower pots and religious candles.
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Post by CritterFan1 on Tue Jan 11, 2011 6:59 pm

I burn incense all of the time. I find it very soothing. Some people find it odd.
Charm...love your sense of humor, you are a trip.
Been watching for updates. Does not look to good for Congresswoman Gifford, breaks your heart to think of the condition that she is in.
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Tucson: Time for Another Examination of Conscience

On November 22, 1963, Mummy picked me up early from Sidwell Friends School in Washington, D.C. Driving home to Hickory Hill in northern Virginia, I noticed that all the District flags were at half staff. Mummy told us that a bad man had shot Uncle Jack and that he was in heaven. Daddy's friend and former football teammate, Dean Markham, a Justice Department Rackets Division Attorney picked up my little brother David at Our Lady of Victory. "Why did they kill Uncle Jack?" David asked him. Dean, an ex-marine, combat veteran, known as the toughest linesmen on the "GI-Bill Squad," -- the toughest football team in Harvard University's history -- wasn't tough enough to field that question. He wept silently all the way to our driveway. When I got home, Daddy was walking in the yard with Brumus, our giant black Newfoundland and Rusty, the Irish Setter. We ran and hugged him. We were all crying. He told us, "He had the most wonderful life, and he never had a sad day."

Neither Beck, Hannity nor Savage not the hate merchants at Fox News and talk radio can claim to have invented their genre. Toxic right-wing vitriol so dominated the public airwaves from the McCarthy era until 1963 that President Kennedy, that year, launched a citizen's campaign to enforce the Fairness Doctrine, which required accuracy and balance in the broadcast media. Students, civic and religious groups filed more than 500 complaints against right-wing extremists and hate-mongering commentators before the FCC.

The Dallas, Texas, airwaves were particularly radioactive; preachers and political leaders and local businessmen spewed extremist vitriol on the city's radio and TV stations, inflaming the passions of the city's legions of unhinged fanatics. There was something about the city -- a rage or craziness, that, whether sensible or not, seemed to have set the stage for Jack's murder. The Voice of America, half an hour after the assassination, described Dallas as "the center of extreme right wing." The Texas town was such a seething cauldron of right-wing depravity that historian William Manchester portrayed it as recalling the final days of the Weimar Republic. "Mad things happened," reported Manchester. "Huge billboards screamed 'Impeach Earl Warren.'" Jewish stores were smeared with crude swastikas. Fanatical young matrons swayed in public to the chant "Stevenson's going to die -- his heart will stop stop stop and he will burn burn burn!" The mercantile elite that ruled the city carefully cultivated the seeds of hate. Radical-right broadsides were distributed in public schools; the Kennedy name was booed in classrooms; junior executives who refused to attend radical seminars were blackballed and fired. Manchester continued:

Dallas had become the mecca for medicine show evangelists of the National Independence Convention, the Christian Crusades, the Minutemen, the John Birch Society and Patrick Henry Societies and the headquarters of right wing oil man H.L. Hunt and his dubious activities... The city's mayor, Earl Carroll, a right wing co-founder of the John Birch Society, was known as 'the socialist mayor of Dallas' because he maintained his affiliation with the Democratic Party.

Dallas's oil and gas barons who routinely denounced JFK as a "comsymp" had unbottled the genie of populist rage and harnessed it to the cause of radical ideology, anti-government fervor and corporate dominion.

Uncle Jack's speech in Dallas was to have been an explosive broadside against the right wing. He found Dallas' streets packed five deep with Kennedy Democrats, but among them were the familiar ornaments of presidential hatred; high-flying confederate flags and hundreds of posters adorning the walls and streets of Dallas showing Jack's picture inscribed with "Wanted for Treason." One man held a posterboard saying, "you a traitor [sic]." Other placards accused him of being a communist. When public school P.A. systems announced Jack's assassination, Dallas school children as young as the fourth grade applauded. A Birmingham radio caller declared that "any white man who did what he did for niggers should be shot." As my siblings and I visited the White House to console my cousins John and Caroline, a picket paraded out front with a sign, "God punished JFK."

Jack had received myriad warnings against visiting the right-wing Texas city. Indeed, there had been a sense of foreboding even within our family as he and Aunt Jackie prepared for the trip. Jack made an unscheduled trip to Cape Cod to say goodbye to my ailing grandfather. The night before the trip, Mummy found Jack distant and brooding at a dinner for the Supreme Court Justices. He was very fond of Mummy, but for the first time ever, he looked right through her.

Jack's death forced a national bout of self-examination. In 1964, Americans repudiated the forces of right-wing hatred and violence with an historic landslide in the presidential election between LBJ and Goldwater. For a while, the advocates of right-wing extremism receded from the public forum. Now they have returned with a vengeance -- to the broadcast media and to prominent positions in political landscape.

Gabrielle Giffords lies in a hospital room fighting for her life, and a precious nine-year-old girl is dead along with five others. Let's pray for them and for our country and hope this tragedy prompts another round of examination of conscience.

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I posted this because of who wrote it, his recollection of how things were back then but most of all, I agree with 'Let's pray for them and for our country and hope this tragedy prompts another round of examination of conscience'.
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Post by TerryRose on Tue Jan 11, 2011 8:45 pm

raine, I am so glad that you posted this. I knew that there was all that riling up of hatred for JFK in Texas at the time he went to Dallas, but I did not know that it permeated the country to that extent. Remember the quote that goes something like this?----He who learns nothing from history is destined to repeat it. Thanks for the history lesson.
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Post by laga on Tue Jan 11, 2011 9:08 pm

Thanks for posting that Raine! I remember that time well even though I was young. TR, I am afraid there is no denying lessons have not been learned. Another day when you remember exactly where you were and how you felt.
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Post by Praying For Faith on Tue Jan 11, 2011 10:33 pm

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Thanks again for posting the pictures that went with the article I posted above.

I love the article that you posted about JFK. I am waiting on the records of this event to be unsealed and hope that all of them have not been destroyed.


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Post by Wrapitup on Tue Jan 11, 2011 11:04 pm

I was 13 and had just seen JFK the day before in San Antonio. crying

Thank you, Raine, for that wonderful heartfelt article. :heart:

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Post by TerryRose on Tue Jan 11, 2011 11:49 pm

I was a junior in high school and was home sick. I heard it on the radio and when I told my mother, she didn't believe me, snapped on the TV and thus started 4 days of continuous coverage of the assassination, people across the country glued to their TV sets and many in actual mourning over the loss.

My father came home from work with the newspaper in his hand, was cursing, yelling, choking back tears as he threw it on the table. He had seen JFK up close en route to visit in our state and city. My parents' generation viewed JFK as the first president of their own generation, a breath of fresh air to them, still youthful as they were, not old and stodgy, but modern enough to address their own issues. They identified with him and he had a way of encouraging a whole nation to be all they could be in life. The schools took on a progressive modern tone for the space age we were living in through his encouragement.

Me, I was horrified that this could happen, extremely sad, even sadder when we saw the coverage of the funeral on TV---little John-John saluting the casket, little Caroline, and Jackie veiled in black, the long walk over the bridge with the cadence of the drums and the slow progression of the horse-drawn carriage, our First Lady and all family walking behind it. Just a few days before, pictures of our First Lady in her bright pink suit and hat, all spattered in the president's blood, boarding that plane with a dead president to return to Washington.

The sadness of the memories never fade. A new generation doesn't have these memories. And yet, those that riled up and rallied for the demise of that president never were remorseful for what they had encouraged---what they wanted happened, why would they feel any sorrow? And the idea that they encouraged this to happen they rejected and thus they felt no guilt over it personally.

We are digressing over this, I know, but we are living in a time when history seems as though it will repeat itself once again if a new generation doesn't realize what they are heading into. I am grateful to Robert Kennedy Jr. for publishing this article, it just might do some good and prevent more tragedy, but the hatred in this country right now is so very extensive and deep across the land, that I don't know if we can still do anything to stop the train that has already left the station. So very sad for us all---most of us just don't want this kind of a country. crying
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Post by raine1953 on Wed Jan 12, 2011 2:38 am

TR, wow. You write so well and you really touched me with your personal experience. It certainly was a sad time in our generation's history.

I thought about posting that for a while, wasn't sure I should because it's kind of political but I thought it was just so appropriate at this time so I'm now glad I did it.

We've got the memories of the horrible era of assassination, which is something this generation does not have and the hatred is seething out of them, we can only hope that by some miracle they can learn from history not to go down that path.
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Post by Wrapitup on Wed Jan 12, 2011 3:13 am

I just love TR. She has an eclectic way with words and I have never seen anyone else write quite like her, and we have some fantastic writer's here. Kudo's. TR!! :heart: :cheers:

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Dad pursued Ariz. massacre suspect before shooting

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TUCSON, Ariz. (AP) -- Mysterious black bag in hand, Jared Loughner ran into the desert, his angry father stopping pursuit in his truck.

Hours after Randy Loughner's futile confrontation with his 22-year-old son Saturday morning, six people were shot dead and more than a dozen others wounded - and Jared Loughner was in custody.

The sheriff's deputies who swarmed the Loughners' house removed what they describe as evidence Jared Loughner was targeting Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, who doctors said Tuesday was breathing on her own for the first time after taking a bullet to the forehead. Among the handwritten notes was one with the words "Die, bitch," which authorities told The Associated Press they believe was a reference to Giffords.

Investigators with the Pima County Sheriff's Department previously said they found handwritten notes in Loughner's safe reading "I planned ahead," "My assassination" and "Giffords." Capt. Chris Nanos said all the writings were either in an envelope or on a form letter Giffords' office sent him in 2007 after he signed in at one of her "Congress on Your Conner" events - the same kind of gathering where the massacre occurred.

On the morning of the shooting, a mumbling Jared Loughner fled after his father asked him why he was removing a black bag from the trunk of a family car, said Nanos and Rick Kastigar, chief of the department's investigations bureau. Investigators are still searching for the bag.

Meanwhile, this city held a tribute to victims the eve of a presidential visit.

On Tuesday night, several hundred mourners filled a Tucson church for a public Mass to remember the slain and pray for the injured. As people filed in, nine young girls sang "Amazing Grace." The youngest victim of the attack, 9-year-old Christina Taylor Green, was a member of that choir.

"I know she is singing with us tonight," said Tucson Bishop Gerald Kicanas, who presided over the service.

On Wednesday, President Barack Obama visits Arizona and gives a speech honoring the victims to a rattled state and nation.

In one apparent reaction, the FBI said background checks for handgun sales jumped in Arizona following the shootings, though the agency cautioned that the number of checks doesn't equate to the number of handguns sold.

Still, there were 263 background checks in Arizona on Monday, up from 164 for the same day a year ago - a 60 percent rise. Nationally, the increase was more modest: from 7,522 last year to 7,906 Monday, a 5 percent jump.

Loughner's parents, silent and holed up in their home since the shooting spree, apologized publicly Tuesday.

"There are no words that can possibly express how we feel," Randy and Amy Loughner wrote in a statement handed to reporters waiting outside their house. "We wish that there were, so we could make you feel better. We don't understand why this happened.

"We care very deeply about the victims and their families. We are so very sorry for their loss."

Sheriff's deputies had been to the Loughner home at least once before the attack, spokesman Jason Ogan said. He didn't know why or when the visit occurred, and said department lawyers were reviewing the paperwork and expected to release it Wednesday.

The visits were for nonviolent incidents, including a report by Jared Loughner of identity theft, a noise complaint and Amy Loughner's claim that someone had stolen her license plate sticker, according to a report by The Wall Street Journal.

In addition to the new details about the hours before the shooting, interviews with those who knew Loughner or his family painted a picture of a young loner who tried to fit in.

Before everything fell apart, he went through the motions as many young men do nowadays: Living at home with his parents, working low-wage jobs at big brand stores and volunteering time doing things he liked.

None of it worked. His relationship with his parents was strained. He clashed with co-workers and police. And he couldn't follow the rules at an animal shelter where he spent some time.

One close high school friend who requested anonymity to avoid the publicity surrounding the case said he would wait outside 10 minutes for Jared to leave the house when they were going out. When Jared would get into the car, he'd say that it took so long because his parents were hassling him.

The parents of another close friend recalled how Loughner's parents showed up at their doorstep in 2008 looking for their son, who had left home about a week before and broken off contact.

While the friend, Zach Osler, didn't want to talk with the AP, his parents Roxanne and George Osler IV did.

With the Loughners at their house, Zach Osler told them the name of the place where their only child was staying, Zach's father said.

Loughner was arrested in October 2008 on a vandalism charge near Tucson after admitting he scrawled the letters "C" and "X" on a road sign in a reference to what he said was Christianity. His address listed on the police report was an apartment near his home.

Loughner eventually moved back in with his parents.

Even when Loughner tried to do good, it didn't work out.

A year ago, he volunteered walking dogs at the county animal shelter, said Kim Janes, manager of the Pima Animal Care Center. He liked dogs; neighbors remember him as the kid they would see walking his own.

But at the shelter, staff became concerned: He was allowing dogs to play in an area that was being disinfected after one had contracted a potentially deadly disease, the parvovirus.

"He didn't think the disease was that threatening and when we tried to explain how dangerous some of the diseases are, he didn't get it," Janes said.

Loughner wouldn't agree to keep dogs from the restricted area, and was asked to come back when he would. He never returned.

Loughner also jumped from paid job to job because he couldn't get along with co-workers, according to the close high school friend who requested anonymity. Employers included a Quiznos sandwich shop and Banana Republic, the friend said.

On his application at the animal shelter, he listed customer service work at Eddie Bauer.

Loughner grew up on an unremarkable Tucson block of low-slung homes with palm trees and cactus gardens out front. Fittingly, it's called Soledad Avenue - Spanish for solitude.

Solitude found Loughner, even when he tried to escape it. He had buddies but always fell out of touch, typically severing the friendship with a text message. Zach Osler was one such friend.

Loughner's father moved into the house as a bachelor, and eventually got married, longtime next-door neighbor George Gayan said. Property records show Randy Loughner has lived there since 1977.

Gayan said he and Randy Loughner had "differences of opinion but nothing where it was radical or violent." He declined to provide specifics. "As time went on, they indicated they wanted privacy," Gayan said.

Unlike other homes on the block, the Loughners' is obscured by plants. It was assessed in 2010 at $137,842.

Randy Loughner apparently has not worked for years - at least outside his home.

Amy Loughner got a job with the county parks and recreation department just before Jared was born, and since at least 2002 has been the supervisor for Roy P. Drachman Agua Caliente Park on the outskirts of the city. She earns $25.70 an hour, according to Gwyn Hatcher, Pima County's human resources director.

Linda McKinley, 62, has lived down the street from the Loughner family for decades and said the parents could not be nicer - but that she had misgivings about Jared as he got older.

"As a parent, my heart aches for them," she said.

She added that when she was outside watering her plants she would see Jared riding down the street on his bike, often talking to himself or yelling out randomly to no one.

McKinley recalled that once he yelled to some children on the street: "I'm coming to get you!"

Associated Press writers Alicia Chang and Gillian Flaccus in Tucson, Jacques Billeaud in Phoenix, Christy Lemire in Los Angeles and news researcher Julie Reed in Charlotte, N.C., contributed to this report.




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Post by CritterFan1 on Thu Jan 13, 2011 1:04 am

TR, I enjoyed your trip back through time. I can see us in glass, glued to a portable tv a parent brought for us. We we crying, during his election our school had a mock election.JFK won by a landslide. We got sent home from school early, there was my mother in tears, my dad there and watching TV and crying. I will never forget the words of Walter Cronkite that afternoon as he announced our president's death. There was no school the day of his funeral procession. My family sat and stared at the tv for hours. We were like zombies, watching so much sadness and grief.
would you believe that I have a scrapbook that I made from the very first news articles about the murder, all of the coverage, magazine articles. I was so sad knowing Camelot had come to a tragic end. It was such a sad time in our history. :(
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Critter,

That is so neat that you kept a scrapbook of the articles concerning JFK's murder. I wish I had thought to do that.

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Post by Lilone on Thu Jan 13, 2011 9:31 am

So is this Loughner guy gonna plead insanity? Not that it will fly, but just wondering.

I was 9 when JFK was shot and remember the moment I heard the news. I watched the TV the entire weekend and nothing had ever affected me as much before as that shooting did.

I was too young to understand politics, but old enough to know that no one should die that way. I think it was the beginning of my interest in true crime stories and the criminal mind.

Now, 47 years later, I still don't understand the criminal mind, but in my quest for understanding, I've come to realize that I probably never will. And that's ok. I just need to try.
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Post by laga on Thu Jan 13, 2011 10:28 am

Three Democratic colleagues were in the room Wednesday when Rep. Gabrielle Giffords opened her eyes for the first time since being shot in the head at a political event Saturday.

The breakthrough, publicly announced Wednesday night during President Obama's speech at a memorial service for the six people who died in Tucson, Ariz., came as New York Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand, House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi and Florida Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz were sitting at Giffords' bedside. All three are close friends of the Arizona congresswoman.

In an interview with reporters traveling with the president back to Washington on Air Force One, Wasserman Schultz said Wednesday night that the moment "felt like a miracle. It felt like we were watching a miracle. Other than the birth of my kids, this was the most incredible feeling to see ... one of your closest friends just struggle to come back to you."

The three lawmakers had been telling Giffords about how they'd take her out after she recovered, maybe "for beer and pizza," when Giffords' right eye began to flutter. (Her left eye, damaged in the attack, is bandaged.) Giffords' husband, astronaut Mark Kelly, leaped to his feet and began encouraging his wife to open her eyes.

"It was the most amazing thing," Wasserman Schultz told "Good Morning America."

"All of a sudden, at that point, she just started to open her eyes just a slit. And nobody could believe it," the Florida Democrat said. "I mean, we were just -- we were stunned."
Gillibrand said it was clear Giffords knew they were there.

"Mark was urging her. 'Can you see me, can you see me?' And she literally pulled her whole arm up as a thumbs-up with her arm. It was amazing," Gillibrand said. "She was reaching out to Mark to hug him. … He said, 'Touch my ring' [and] she touched his ring. She touched his wrist, his watch. It was just unbelievable."

"We kept talking to her, encouraging her, [Nancy Pelosi] was encouraging her, telling her how much her colleagues miss her," Wasserman Schultz said. "And then she opened them more. She was struggling. You could see every ounce of determination in her face trying to get her eyes open, and she did. It was amazing."

In a separate interview with MSNBC's Keith Olbermann, Pelosi called it a "glorious, glorious experience" fueled by "a little girl power."


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Post by TerryRose on Thu Jan 13, 2011 12:53 pm

CNN was showing the unfolding and setting up of the flag which will wave over the funeral of little Christina Green today. It was the flag which flew over the towers and had been retrieved all torn apart in its destruction. In 2007, Kansas city tornado survivors stitched it all back together and restored it. I am touched by this tribute to our American child martyr. How appropriate to use this tribute to a child who had been born on that tragic day in American history, and who died as an innocent bystander during yet another mass murderer's attack.
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