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Post by truthbtold on Sat Feb 19, 2011 8:57 pm

Thanks gnreed and Jeanne1807!

I'm not clear on the significance of the driver of the red car to the case or how he/she is in any way tied to Cecilia Garcia. I'll be following along to see if y'all connect any dots. Appreciate the follow-up...

P.s. Great to hear there was a good turnout for the searches today.


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Post by jeanne1807 on Sat Feb 19, 2011 8:59 pm

One more question and then I will leave you be. Tell us about the searchers. Any stories. I am guessing average age about 45. Equal male and female.

I wonder why they don't get more young ones out there.

Tell ma about the snakes. And those pigs I heard them warning searchers about. Scary.
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Post by jeanne1807 on Sat Feb 19, 2011 9:01 pm

truthbtold wrote:Thanks gnreed and Jeanne1807!

I'm not clear on the significance of the driver of the red car to the case or how he/she is in any way tied to Cecilia Garcia. I'll be following along to see if y'all connect any dots. Appreciate the follow-up...

P.s. Great to hear there was a good turnout for the searches today.


Actually I don't know that there is any connection between Cecilia Garcia and Guadulupe Delacruz. gnreed saw a red car parked in Billies garage yesterday and that is who it belongs to. I don't think anything was ever mentioned about a connection there. I might be wrong..just following along. lol
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Post by gnreed on Sat Feb 19, 2011 9:05 pm

Not really any stories about the searchers. The youngest were two 18 years old twins that were in my group, along with their mother.
I would say most were in their 40s and majority female. I was shocked by that. I figured more men would be there but I am told most land owners in the area are searching their own property.
I saw one snake. Wasn't a rattler. We didn't see any wild hogs which I am thankful for. I am more afraid of them than the snakes. I can run from snakes, the hogs are fast.

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Post by jeanne1807 on Sat Feb 19, 2011 9:16 pm

Well that is hopeful that landowners are aware and are searching.

If Hailey is to be found I believe it will be within a ten mile radias of her home. My own opinion.

I believe she is somewhere out there...just waiting for somebody to find her.

I believe it will be by accident. A farmer or a hunter or somebody on one of this four wheelers.

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Post by Wrapitup on Sat Feb 19, 2011 9:38 pm

grneed, thanks so much for sharing your day with us. I am sorry Hailey wasn't found, but there is always tomorrow.

Do you think LE is quiet because they know or quiet because they don't know anything?

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Post by gnreed on Sat Feb 19, 2011 9:40 pm

Thanks Wrap.

I am hoping it is because they know. I would also love to the see the cell phone records which were released this week.

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Wouldn't we ALL!!!

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Post by truthbtold on Sat Feb 19, 2011 9:43 pm

jeanne1807 wrote:
truthbtold wrote:Thanks gnreed and Jeanne1807!

I'm not clear on the significance of the driver of the red car to the case or how he/she is in any way tied to Cecilia Garcia. I'll be following along to see if y'all connect any dots. Appreciate the follow-up...

P.s. Great to hear there was a good turnout for the searches today.


Actually I don't know that there is any connection between Cecilia Garcia and Guadulupe Delacruz. gnreed saw a red car parked in Billies garage yesterday and that is who it belongs to. I don't think anything was ever mentioned about a connection there. I might be wrong..just following along. lol

Thanks Jeanne - @sweets posted the rap sheet that may belong to this Guadalupe one page back, to support the theory that possibly the driver of the red car is MaryBeth's uncle or a close associate of her mom Cecilia Garcia (who was also stated to be sex offender in one of @sweet's posts). The supposition was that perhaps Billie, Cecilia and Guadalupe were all in the drug biz together and Hailey's disappearance is somehow related. To date, no one has produced any records to indicate that Cecilia is indeed a RSO and haven't seen anything to connect Cecilia Garcia to Guadalupe or the red car. Based on @gnreed's post tonight, the red car parked at Billie's house is registered to a male named Guadalupe who has a record, but we don't know how/if this person is connected to Billie and/or Cecilia. Cecilia Garcia stated she'd never met Billie Dunn and Billie has never challenged that statement. For now, it's one poster's theory but there are no confirmations to connect any of the dots... I'm just following along with you! Kinda like floating on an inner-tube down the river (minus the beer).

butterfly Wishing the dedicated searchers safety and success in tomorrow's search for Hailey...
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Post by Praying For Faith on Sat Feb 19, 2011 9:48 pm

gnreed,

I just want to thank you for staying here at VH and helping to keep us updated on what is going on.

You are a special gift to Hailey to keep searching for her. God Bless all of the searchers that are out there searching for Hailey.

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Post by jeanne1807 on Sat Feb 19, 2011 10:01 pm

I was just thinking. If I was the mother of a missing child I don't think I would want a red firebird parked in my driveway and know a registered felon was the owner. And at my home.

Imagine that and all on the day of the big search for Hailey. I wonder what Mark Klass thinks of that.

If we know..he knows. Shaking my head.
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Post by czgtz on Sat Feb 19, 2011 10:07 pm

The red car parked at Billie's house is one that her brother bought for her son. It is not running, and her brother is working on it.

I have no idea who the guy y'all are talking about is.


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Post by Nama on Sat Feb 19, 2011 10:15 pm

Rumors! la la la

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Post by NosyNeighbor on Sat Feb 19, 2011 10:19 pm

WTF

Did I just read that this G. Delacruz that we read the mile long rap sheet for last night..that it is his red car that was seen parked yesterday in Billie Jean Dunn's garage YESTERDAY? shocked3

Oh My Dear God!!!!!! I thought he was somehow linked to MB's mom as well{just like someone above thought}..but his vehicle was parked in Billie's garage yesterday?
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Post by CritterFan1 on Sat Feb 19, 2011 10:23 pm

gnreed wrote:Not really any stories about the searchers. The youngest were two 18 years old twins that were in my group, along with their mother.
I would say most were in their 40s and majority female. I was shocked by that. I figured more men would be there but I am told most land owners in the area are searching their own property.
I saw one snake. Wasn't a rattler. We didn't see any wild hogs which I am thankful for. I am more afraid of them than the snakes. I can run from snakes, the hogs are fast.
Be careful, gnreed, hogs are not only fast, they can be mean and angry. I hope u r carrying a golf club or something to flip snakes out of the way.
God bless all of the caring searchers.
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Post by czgtz on Sat Feb 19, 2011 10:23 pm

I have no idea who the car is registered to, who sold it, or where it came from. I do know that there is a red car (I think it is a Camero, but I am not certain, because I don't know much about cars) parked at Billie's... it was recently purchased for her son, by her brother.

I guess I will have to add a MOO to this since it is just 'hearsay'.

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Post by Slys Hunny on Sat Feb 19, 2011 10:26 pm

jeanne1807 wrote:What happened to all the posts. They are gone? Anybody?

which posts? if your talking about the rap sheet its on the first page.
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Post by truthbtold on Sat Feb 19, 2011 10:29 pm

NosyNeighbor wrote: WTF

Did I just read that this G. Delacruz that we read the mile long rap sheet for last night..that it is his red car that was seen parked yesterday in Billie Jean Dunn's garage YESTERDAY? shocked3

Oh My Dear God!!!!!! I thought he was somehow linked to MB's mom as well{just like someone above thought}..but his vehicle was parked in Billie's garage yesterday?

Hi Nosy,
Nah, still just a theory by @sweets - no confirmation whatsoever on any connection to Cecilia Garcia and no confirmation that rap sheet posted belongs to the Guadalupe that the car is registered to. For all we know, the car could have been sold or repossessed and the registration has not yet been transferred. Imo, there is nothing here that provides any clues regarding Hailey. Unless any confirmations are introduced, just a rumor...
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Post by jeanne1807 on Sat Feb 19, 2011 10:31 pm

It appears the first 20 pages of this topic have been locked. We now only have three pages..currently.

Maybe it got too big for it's britches.

I know I went to look something up from a day or two ago and all of it was gone.
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What happened to all the posts. They are gone? Anybody?

The Hailey Dunn thread was so large it split automatically. This is the third thread and right now has only 3 pages. The first two threads have 20 pages and is locked.....no more comments can be made on it. If you want read something on the first thread it's still here. Go to the link below:

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Post by CritterFan1 on Sat Feb 19, 2011 10:34 pm

TruthbeTold,, I agree, rumors, rumors are flying everywhere. There is so much theorizing, wish LE would keep the public informed on the facts of these rumors.
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Post by NosyNeighbor on Sat Feb 19, 2011 10:38 pm

truthbtold wrote:
NosyNeighbor wrote: WTF

Did I just read that this G. Delacruz that we read the mile long rap sheet for last night..that it is his red car that was seen parked yesterday in Billie Jean Dunn's garage YESTERDAY? shocked3

Oh My Dear God!!!!!! I thought he was somehow linked to MB's mom as well{just like someone above thought}..but his vehicle was parked in Billie's garage yesterday?

Hi Nosy,
Nah, still just a theory by @sweets - no confirmation whatsoever on any connection to Cecilia Garcia and no confirmation that rap sheet posted belongs to the Guadalupe that the car is registered to. For all we know, the car could have been sold or repossessed and the registration has not yet been transferred. Imo, there is nothing here that provides any clues regarding Hailey. Unless any confirmations are introduced, just a rumor...

Thanks truth.. yes this plausible explanation by cz is what I find most likely.. That the uncle bought the car for David.. which I'm glad to hear I know that siblings sometimes get lost in the shuffle when their sister is abducted like whats happening here.. So am glad to hear that David does indeed have family members very much tending to his needs and his wants..too..He's still a 16 yr old boy who I'm quite certain has many wants..lol..Glad to hear his uncle got him a car..Thats a big deal for a 16 yr old so I know thats atleast something that would bring a smile to his face even if just temporarily..
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Post by truthbtold on Sat Feb 19, 2011 10:43 pm

CritterFan1 wrote:TruthbeTold,, I agree, rumors, rumors are flying everywhere. There is so much theorizing, wish LE would keep the public informed on the facts of these rumors.

Yep Critter, lots o'rumors, that's for sure. In this case, I get the sense that LE needs to stay tight-lipped and focused. I agree that it would be great to hear where they're at in the investigation, but guessing they can't fill in the general public without jeopardizing their case. I hope they are building a strong one and that Hailey will be found very very soon...
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Post by Boston_Lady on Sat Feb 19, 2011 11:23 pm

First I want say thank you to gnreed ! Both for searching and then coming back to update us. I hope she is getting some rest (((( Hugs ))))

As to the red car parked at BD's, if it is for David and his uncle bought it for him, why isn't it at the Uncle's where David is staying????

And, it seems much too much of a coincidence that the car bought for David happens to be someone with a rap sheet - all drug related. What are the chances??

Sorry, not buying it.
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Thanks BJ...where did you finally find the first thread?

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I found the thread in the last place that I looked. Sarcasm

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That was the perfect response!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :cheering: :lol: :lol: :lol: ROFLMAO

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Boy, it is quiet now. Everyone is gearing up for the search tomorrow. Good Luck to all who will be searching!

Grneed, God speed! W/be waiting for an update. Hope it's good news!!! praying

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gnreed, thanks for your efforts to find Hailey & for taking the time to share with us here at VH! I am wondering what the weather is like in CC this weekend? I live up in Canada, and it is fairly cold right now. I hope the weather is cooperating for the search, and that Hailey will be found tomorrow!! praying
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Hi Rainbow. I am not grneed but I can tell you the weather is fine!! In the low 70's, just perfect.

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Yes, thank you gnreed, we all appreciate the fact that you went out and searched. We're also grateful for the first hand reports you are giving us! you rock
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Post by gnreed on Sun Feb 20, 2011 7:14 am

Thanks everyone. I know each and every one of you would be searching if you lived closer.
I have decided to return to C-City again today.
Hopefully there will be at least as many as there were yesterday.

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Post by gnreed on Sun Feb 20, 2011 7:33 am

CZ:

If the car was bought for BD's son, that is great. Time will tell. I believe she has 20 to 30 days to register the vehicle and place it in his or her name.

BD made a statement recently about people being mean and saying nasty things to her.
Can you tell us how she expects anything different? I don't agree with name calling and such, but I will assure you as long as I see her hauling SA around in the maroon van, allowing him to stay at her residence, I am going to watch every move as much as I can.
It really upsets people seeing the SUSPECT walk into HAILEYS house. And HAILEY is missing.
If there is a car parked at HAILEYS residence that is registered to another LOW LIFE drug dealer/criminal, I am going to report it.
All she has to do is stay away from the suspect and things will be easier for her. Until then, she has placed herself in this position.

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Post by Praying For Faith on Sun Feb 20, 2011 7:46 am

Can you tell us how she expects anything different? I don't agree with name calling and such, but I will assure you as long as I see her hauling SA around in the maroon van, allowing him to stay at her residence, I am going to watch every move as much as I can.
It really upsets people seeing the SUSPECT walk into HAILEYS house. And HAILEY is missing.
If there is a car parked at HAILEYS residence that is registered to another LOW LIFE drug dealer/criminal, I am going to report it.
All she has to do is stay away from the suspect and things will be easier for her. Until then, she has placed herself in this position.

She is crazy3. I agree

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Post by jeanne1807 on Sun Feb 20, 2011 8:26 am

I could go along with the car being purchased by her brother for her son. But...like the poster said why isn't it parked at the brothers house. Thats where they are all staying.

And I don't know how it works in Texas but in Indiana we don't purchase used cars with the license plate still attached.

And what a coincidence that the car belongs to somebody with a wrap sheet and served time in the big house.

Sorry CZ but this one stinks.
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Post by artgal16 on Sun Feb 20, 2011 9:20 am

Well, is anyone really surprised at these events?
I have felt all along Billie was milking this for all she can get. I think that when you think of yourself as a parent you sometimes ascribe how you would feel and assume that someone like Billie feels the same. She doesnt.
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Post by sweets on Sun Feb 20, 2011 10:34 am

GM Everyone,
I am just putting a snipped portion of this article here so we will have it for future refernces, It shows (to me anyway) that Cecilia Garcia and Mary Beth did in fact have some type of contact w/Hailey in text form on or around the day that Hailey is reported missing. As always everything is JMO. I am still trying to find info stating that the Guadlupe w/the red car at BD is r/t Mary Beth and her mom in order to verify a connection between them and BD/CD and maybe the disappearance of Hailey. All just MY OPINION at this time.

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Cecilia Garcia says she was shocked when Shawn Adkins, the live-in boyfriend of Hailey Dunn's mother, claimed Hailey was going to a slumber party at her family home on the night she disappeared.

"Obviously he's not telling the truth about her spending the night at Mary Beth's," said Garcia.

Garcia says at her house, it's not like these parties would happen out of the blue.

"Hailey has never spent the night here," she said.

Hailey lives just a few blocks down from Mary Beth, and four weeks later, Garcia says her daughter still hurts.

"It's been real hard on my daughter," she said, "and she fears for Hailey."
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Garcia says on the day Hailey disappeared, Mary beth received a text message that said "what are you doing?"

She says the message was sent from Hailey's mother's cell phone at about 2 o'clock, which Hailey always used, but Garcia says she worries that there is no evidence to prove Hailey sent that message.


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Post by Wrapitup on Sun Feb 20, 2011 11:41 am

Maybe Shawn sent the message, "What are you doing"? IMHO, Shawn had all morning and part of the afternoon to "do away" w/Hailey. Anyone can send a text message, and there is no plausible way LE w/ever know just exactly who sent that text.

I do NOT think Hailey sent the text. MOO

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Post by sweets on Sun Feb 20, 2011 12:17 pm

Wrapitup wrote:Maybe Shawn sent the message, "What are you doing"? IMHO, Shawn had all morning and part of the afternoon to "do away" w/Hailey. Anyone can send a text message, and there is no plausible way LE w/ever know just exactly who sent that text.

I do NOT think Hailey sent the text. MOO

that is very true wrap. Shawn may have been setting up part of his alibi at that time. We may never know for sure I'm afraid. Please do not take any my comments as if I am defending SA. It is mo that SA is guilty of harming Hailey but I do not beleive BD had anything to do w/ harming her own child physically but who knows. I am like most that think a lot of her actions are not what one normally sees when grieving for a lost/? child but I still want to believe in her for some reason...hmmm go figure

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Post by truthbtold on Sun Feb 20, 2011 1:15 pm

I don't think Hailey sent the text either. Would love to know the location of Billie's phone when the text was sent. IIRC, Shawn's cell pings put him in Big Spring at the time. I believe you can send a text from a phone number using the internet though. I think the phone records and electronic data will be the undoing of the guilty parties.

Regarding the registered owner of the red car, if it's the same Guadalupe with a long arrest record for drugs, I think he would stay as far away from the house of a missing child as possible. Especially with the named suspect coming and going from the house, LE stating publicly that they believe Billie and Shawn have a history with drugs, LE stating publicly that they are keeping an eye on all their POIs, and a big search effort with more than the normal amount of media on the scene. I put nothing past Billie and Shawn at this point, don't trust a word they or anyone in their inner circle utters. JMO. But, it just doesn't seem reasonable to me that a hard-core drug dealing parolee would be camped out at Billie's under these circumstances, or that he would loan his car to someone knowing they would be on the scene.
P.s. I'm glad @gnreed is reporting these types of things so LE can check them out. You never know what might help the investigators connect the dots.

Regarding Cecilia Garcia, she says she doesn't know Billie. Billie doesn't claim to know Cecilia. There is nothing anywhere confirming Cecilia is a RSO. There is nothing anywhere indicating she is in any way connected to the registered owner of the red car. She and her daughter reportedly cooperated with FBI and other LE; they were interrogated and their home was searched. They may have been poly'd. Nothing indicates that their alibis for the days surrounding Hailey's disappearance didn't check out. On the other hand, Shawn and Billie both lied about Shawn's whereabouts on Monday 12/27 (he to LE, she to a national Nancy Grace audience at least 5 days after knowing he hadn't been at work that day). LE questioned and investigated Shawn, Billie, Clint, Naomi, Cecilia and MaryBeth. No one in Cecilia's family or Clint's family have been named suspects; that title belongs to Shawn Adkins. I know nothing about Mrs. Garcia; she could be a truly unpleasant wench with a nasty past (as a couple of internet posters who know her and dislike her keep insisting), or she might be a flawed mom doing her best to raise and protect her daughter. IDK. If Mrs. Garcia is an unnamed POI, of course we wouldn't know about it. If she's in anyway involved with Hailey's disappearance, throw the book at her. But, based on everything we know from the media and LE to date, I don't see any reason to believe Shawn Adkins over Hailey's friend MaryBeth and her mom Cecilia Garcia. All JMO.
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Post by charminglane on Sun Feb 20, 2011 2:00 pm

I agree

How do we know that the car was not bought for DD as a bribe for keeping quiet? If money is tight (which I am beginning to doubt because of drugs-Hailey had non-prescription colored contact lenses-not cheap-a whim) a sixteen year old would not be getting a car. Even from a loving uncle. Not with a missing sister.
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Post by Wrapitup on Sun Feb 20, 2011 2:01 pm

TBT, that was a great post. I think there has been a lot of unfounded speculation and not a shred of proof. I also don't think that Billie really thinks about what she is doing. I don't find her to have any common sense. She doesn't look at the big picture. If she did, she would not allow SA back in her home. She would not talk to him, and she most definitely would not be on "friendly" terms with him. She wouldn't allow that red car to be parked anywhere near her home. Even if it is as CZ states - that Billie's brother bought the car for her son. The car is still registered to a real piece of work with a very lengthy wrap sheet. She is not thinking at all. Most people who are addicts (no matter what their drug of choice is) don't think before they act. The drug is the priority. IMHO, SA is one of her drugs. She probably knows he is no good for her, but she has to have him.

The police are keeping the cell records close to the vest. They are wanting to find a body now before they arrest anyone. I do not think they will find Hailey. Ever. She will be another missing person just like HaLeigh Cummings, Brittany Drexel, Natalie Holloway and Trenton Duckett..just to name a few. MOO.

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Post by Wrapitup on Sun Feb 20, 2011 2:02 pm

Hailey had non-prescription colored contact lenses-not cheap-a whim)
She did? I had never heard that before.
Billie DID work as a secretary in a hospital. So, there was regular income coming into the home. I doubt she was selling drugs. I would guess it would be the other way around. Again, MOO.

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