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Post by lisette on Thu Mar 03, 2011 10:43 am

They have the words of the tape on the screen on TruTV...

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Post by lisette on Thu Mar 03, 2011 10:44 am

I don't see how they can understand any of this if they can't see the words...
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Post by lisette on Thu Mar 03, 2011 10:46 am

It looks like KC is trying not to cry...
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Post by artgal16 on Thu Mar 03, 2011 10:47 am

George knows that if the accused asks to see LE its her decision even if her lawyer objects - so whats his point?
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Post by Guest on Thu Mar 03, 2011 10:48 am

I don't understand what this visit, the one that did NOT happen has anything to do with the other video recordings of the visits at the jail?
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Post by lisette on Thu Mar 03, 2011 10:49 am

She's thinking: "He was trying to help LE get me! All he cared about was Caylee, not me...Poor me...Boo-hoo-hoo...."
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Post by Guest on Thu Mar 03, 2011 10:49 am

I agree lisette that is the impression I am getting.
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Post by lisette on Thu Mar 03, 2011 10:52 am

They're trying to show that LE was trying to circumvent Casey's rights by getting her to talk to GA...
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Post by lisette on Thu Mar 03, 2011 10:53 am

They told GA that it was up to KC, whether she wanted to talk to him alone, with Bozo, or with Bozo alone...So I don't think that this is going to fly...
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Post by Guest on Thu Mar 03, 2011 10:54 am

We all know it was KC letter saying she wants to see her Father that transpired this so I don't see the relevancy of this recording.
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Post by lisette on Thu Mar 03, 2011 10:57 am

LE is giving Bozo a thumbs-up on doing his job for Casey..Talking about him being on Larry King...GA saying that CA had been on Larry King...
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Post by lisette on Thu Mar 03, 2011 10:59 am

KC is shaking her head, "No" when they say that she wants to see her father first...So, they are making all this up, right?
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Post by lisette on Thu Mar 03, 2011 11:00 am

GA wanted to know if he could take some gum in with him...HA HA HA! I noticed him chomping on it in court yesterday...
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Post by Guest on Thu Mar 03, 2011 11:00 am

Exactly the visit never happened so why was the last hour wasted on this tape recording?
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Post by lisette on Thu Mar 03, 2011 11:03 am

Sounds like they are going to be back tomorrow morning...Are breaking now for lunch until 1:30...
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Post by Nama on Thu Mar 03, 2011 11:43 am

The second day of hearings on a series of crucial motions about evidence in the Casey Anthony murder case offered more details about what happened behind the scenes during the investigation.

Anthony's father, George, found out today that investigators recorded a conversation he had with officers months ago during a drive to the Orange County Jail in an attempt to visit his daughter.

The visit was set to take place on a day Jose Baez, Anthony's defense attorney, was out of town, but the visit never happened because another attorney with Baez's firm was at the jail. All this may explain why Casey stopped taking visits from anyone other than her defense team.

The recording is being played in court right now.

George Anthony is heard saying, "Somebody is not doing their job," referring to Baez now allowing Casey talk to law enforcement.

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The recording captures George discussing how Baez was in New York. An FBI agent in the car says Casey Anthony is the boss and not the attorney.

Earlier in court, George said, "She's controlling how her life is going on from there. She is the boss."

During testimony this morning, George Anthony revealed that he got ill after law enforcement told him that "explicit" photos of his daughter were going to be released, George said.

"I remember how I felt when I heard that. I got sick."

He said he literally had to go and throw up.

Today's motions

Earlier, debate continuing on the question of whether Anthony's statements to law enforcement after her daughter was reported missing should be excluded from the trial.

But a long list of motions about other evidence and legal issues will be covered today in front of Chief Judge Belvin Perry.

Anthony is charged with first-degree murder in the death of 2-year-old daughter Caylee Marie. Her trial is set to start May 9.

Jose Baez, Anthony's defense attorney, this morning questioned Sgt. Reginald Hosey, who responded to the Anthony family home in east Orange County in July 2008 after Caylee was reported missing.

Hosey said he did not remember Casey being handcuffed or ordering her to be unhandcuffed. He said media reports refreshed his memory about that detail.

"I heard that I said uncuff her," Hosey said. "I did not recall saying that."

Hosey says he took a short walk with Anthony after hearing from her parents that she'd had been acting "erratic" and that her mother, Cindy Anthony, had not seen her granddaughter in a long time.

He says she told him her parents "possibly wanted to take her daughter away from her."

He also said she told him, "My daughter's all right" and that this was her mother causing problems. She was conveying to him the notion that this was a domestic disturbance, Hosey said.

Testimony detailing the earliest Orange County Sheriff's Office involvement in this case more than two-and-a-half years ago consumed much of the first day of hearings on Wednesday.

Casey Anthony spent many hours talking with law enforcement on July 16, 2008. The question is whether she was a criminal suspect at that time or the young mother of a missing child helping authorities start a search.

'She was the mother of a missing child'

On Wednesday, Detective Yuri Melich testified that Casey Anthony was never read her Miranda rights before she gave him statements and traveled with him to various locations early that morning in mid-July 2008. But that's because she was not a suspect and not under arrest, he explained.

"She wasn't a suspect of anything," Melich said. "She was the mother of a missing child."

Baez asked how Melich could not have been suspicious that morning.

The child was only then being reported missing, a month after her disappearance. Casey Anthony had not told anyone about it until that point. She was leading the detective to the place she supposedly saw her daughter last, a vacant apartment, and she was lying about where she worked, Universal Studios Florida.

Baez asked how the detective could not find all of those elements suspicious.

"I find it interesting, the whole story that she told," Melich said at one point. "I wanted to find out what was going on. I wanted to find out more."

Assistant State Attorney Linda Drane Burdick, meanwhile, had Melich explain that Anthony was cooperative, never indicating to him that she didn't want to help and seeming to want to find Caylee and help him find the child.

"She was willing," Melich said. "She was happy to go."

Burdick introduced a photo of a smiling Anthony taken at the Sheriff's Office on that July 16, to be used for a missing-persons flier.

All this is important because if it's determined Anthony was in custody that morning, without being informed of her right to remain silent and to have a lawyer present, her statements may not be admissible.

Earlier testimony Wednesday showed Anthony was handcuffed at one point before Melich's arrival.

Deputy Ryan Eberlin told defense attorneys he initially handcuffed Anthony and put her in the patrol car, but later removed those cuffs at the direction of a supervisor because a detective wanted to talk to her. At that time, the focus of the investigation was still on a missing person.

Eberlin also said Cindy Anthony, the accused's mother, had receipts depicting fraudulent use of her credit card and said she wanted charges pressed against her daughter, so that they would know for sure where she was being held.

'I'm not stupid'

Cindy Anthony also testified Wednesday and at one point bickered with Burdick before Perry put a stop to the exchange.

"I'm not stupid. This is very unsettling for me," Cindy Anthony told the judge and prosecutor. "I wanted anything to get to Caylee, but I didn't want my daughter arrested."

Later, George Anthony, father of the accused, told Baez he was in a traumatic state when he learned Caylee was missing and was further troubled by seeing his daughter placed in handcuffs.

"It was traumatic," George Anthony said. "I remember crying."

George Anthony wanted an Amber Alert issued immediately for his missing granddaughter. He said the fact that it was not done remains a sore subject.

Away from the witness stand, Wednesday's proceeding showed Casey Anthony actively engaged with her lawyers, reviewing documents and taking notes during the testimony. This may have to do with her recalling much of what happened during the time period being discussed by witnesses.

As Cindy Anthony walked out of the courtroom after testifying, she mouthed, "I love you" to her daughter.

Wednesday's questioning by Baez started to show signs of a tough courtroom style tinged with sarcasm — with certain witnesses — but also a deep knowledge of the early events in the case.

Baez questioned Melich about an interrogation of Anthony that went on for more than an hour trying to get her to talk.

"Absent waterboarding, you tried everything else?" Baez asked.

"We don't use waterboarding," Melich said.

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Post by artgal16 on Thu Mar 03, 2011 11:58 am

An amber alert wouldnt be issued for a child that was missing for 31 days - GA knows that.
I understand they will start again tomorrow?
oh nooooooooooo I was so looking for time off!
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Post by Nama on Thu Mar 03, 2011 12:01 pm

No rest for the wicked, artgal! Get used to it!

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Post by cherylz on Thu Mar 03, 2011 12:08 pm

At what point did she cry?(that pic posted above)

I watched about 1/2 hr. of it on Court TV this AM. I don't know if I will be able to watch it in May. It consumed so much of my emotions for 2 years. crying
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Post by artgal16 on Thu Mar 03, 2011 12:12 pm

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check out the fake tears at Dr Glass's website
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Post by lisette on Thu Mar 03, 2011 12:28 pm

cherylz, that photo is from yesterday's hearing...she cried when Cindy was sworn in...
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Post by lisette on Thu Mar 03, 2011 12:32 pm

LDB is cross examining George...
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Post by artgal16 on Thu Mar 03, 2011 12:39 pm

George holding tight to his temper but it still shows.
A scowl on his face and he doesnt like these questions at all. She is trying to point out that independently
the Anthonys were doing their own investigation trying to find Caylee and so not acting as "agents for the state" George is lying through his teeth about not getting letters "funneled to him" by Baez.
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Post by lisette on Thu Mar 03, 2011 12:48 pm

It must make LE so mad that George is taking his cooperation with them in the early stages to find Caylee and twisting it to make it sound like they were duping him into getting info that would circumvent her advice from counsel not to talk. They were just trying to find HER missing child!!! And HIS missing granddaughter!!
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Post by cherylz on Thu Mar 03, 2011 12:50 pm

Thanks Lisette and Artgal.
I read Dr Glass' report Re: fake tears. How could anybody after so many yrs. in prison, her daughter dead...sit there stoned cold...like an Ice Princess? One answer...a sociopath...one able to kill her own daughter...justify it and go on devoid of emotion.
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Post by artgal16 on Thu Mar 03, 2011 12:51 pm

George blew a casket argued with Linda didnt listen to the judge shook his head no - actually arguing
trying to control things - wow
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Post by lisette on Thu Mar 03, 2011 12:52 pm

"I would have sold my soul to the devil to get my granddaughter back" In other words, they took advantage of his vulnerable situation (according to him).
JP is telling GA to just answer the questions!! He and Cindy are not going to be allowed to ramble on and on, putting their spin on things..Finally, someone is letting the Ants know that THEY are not in charge!!
Ohhh. George is mad...He is pouting...
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Post by artgal16 on Thu Mar 03, 2011 1:01 pm

Casey actually smiled at some of her fathers antics
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Post by lisette on Thu Mar 03, 2011 1:02 pm

Answer the question, George! Didn't the FBI tell you that they were not asking you to do that or endorsing it? "I think I was tricked a little bit..."(GA)
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Post by artgal16 on Thu Mar 03, 2011 1:03 pm

Linda got him on one point that the Feds stated in writing they were not asking him to talk to his daughter. He didnt want to answer that and actually did say he was tricked - but finally agreed it was accurately written.
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Post by Guest on Thu Mar 03, 2011 1:04 pm

It is coming out now. He would do anything including illegally talk to KC to find Caylee. That should do it.
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Post by lisette on Thu Mar 03, 2011 1:06 pm

We know now what happened to Caylee, George! Open your eyes!! "I would do anything to...help my granddaughter and daughter, and I would to this day!" A very telling statement! I'm surprised LDB didn't jump on that...She is just staying focused on her line of questioning which is good!
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Post by artgal16 on Thu Mar 03, 2011 1:06 pm

Yes he just admitted he would lie - his own big mouth is his worse enemy
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Post by Guest on Thu Mar 03, 2011 1:08 pm

Unbelievable he still thinks he was an agent working for LE.....
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Post by artgal16 on Thu Mar 03, 2011 1:09 pm

I think he is going to really lose it on the stand eventually - he has a really hard time controlling himself. He now says he was an "agent" for the police in August of 2008 that he was working "with them"
to get Casey to talk.
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Post by lisette on Thu Mar 03, 2011 1:10 pm

She is backing him into a corner!! Which one told you to tell KC to write a letter?? So, whose agent were you? "I didn't think I was then, but looking back, I was one of Sheriff's Office and FBI...I was working for them." Oh, George, you are such a wimp...You are completely under CA's and KC's control...KC was right about one thing..What a waste!!
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Post by Guest on Thu Mar 03, 2011 1:11 pm

Oh oh now KC heard it. Her Father planned to set her up.
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Post by Guest on Thu Mar 03, 2011 1:12 pm

GA is crying.
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Post by lisette on Thu Mar 03, 2011 1:13 pm

Bozo is up to re-direct...LDB ended with a bang. "You were being an agent of Caylee Marie, weren't you?"
Yes, and I still am today. GA started crying...Wish they would show KC's reaction to that...
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Post by artgal16 on Thu Mar 03, 2011 1:14 pm

George is crying because he had to admit that he worked with police in front of Casey. However, the point Linda made that Baez was passing letters from Casey to the Ants was to show that LE was not involved in what he was trying to do. However, I think in a subtle way that the police were trying to get George to help them because he was a police officer once - they were appealing to that part of him and he was cooperating with them.
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Post by lisette on Thu Mar 03, 2011 1:20 pm

What is this about Mark Hawkins wearing a "wire" when he went to the Ants house and Bozo's office? He's the guy in service in California, right? At the time, I mean. This is the first I've heard of this!!
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Wow i wish i had been watching when GA broke down...
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Post by artgal16 on Thu Mar 03, 2011 1:22 pm

I never heard this before about wearing a wire
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Post by artgal16 on Thu Mar 03, 2011 1:23 pm

George hasnt been to a hearing in ages.
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Post by lisette on Thu Mar 03, 2011 1:24 pm

Why is Bozo trying to get GA all upset? There's no jury!!
KC is stoic...George's tears didn't phase her..CM put a hand on her shoulder as if to comfort her, but she didn't look too upset to me...
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George is finished...I didn't catch the name of who is coming next..
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I think so GA looks like a victim.
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Post by artgal16 on Thu Mar 03, 2011 1:25 pm

Ha! Even after Georges emotional testimony pouring his heart out she doenst look at him as he leaves - actually leans over the table and smiles - unbelievable
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Post by lisette on Thu Mar 03, 2011 1:26 pm

LDB is making an objection at sidebar about something...
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Who is the woman with the unruly hair in green?
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