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Post by gnreed on Wed Mar 30, 2011 12:52 pm

Pete stated, "It's possible she was photographed against her will."

I will attempt to find a link. I am at work with limited resources at the moment.

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Post by truthbtold on Wed Mar 30, 2011 12:54 pm

Wrapitup wrote:gnreed said:
I haven't heard it yet, but Pete said Hailey may have been photographed without her knowledge??
I missed that part..didn't start listening until the 8 minute mark. Is that true?

Yep, it's true Wrap. He definitely said it. He said it was his opinion from connecting the dots; child pornography, S&M, drugs and other bad things going on in the house.

I really think LE may have photos with unidentifiable children and masks are making it harder to make the case. That's just my opinion; it was cemented for me when Shawn chose to share on BTHN blog talk that Hailey wore his masks in the house when they hung out together watching movies. That conflicted with previous statements by Shawn and Billie that he only owned masks for resell and display (and he only wore them for slasher videos made at Halloween). I think LE found Hailey's DNA inside a mask(s). JMO...
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Post by truthbtold on Wed Mar 30, 2011 12:55 pm

gnreed wrote:Pete stated, "It's possible she was photographed against her will."

I will attempt to find a link. I am at work with limited resources at the moment.

I'm guessing a news summary or a transcript from CaseSignal will be available later today...
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Post by gnreed on Wed Mar 30, 2011 12:57 pm

It's interesting he would say "against her will."


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Post by Nama on Wed Mar 30, 2011 1:02 pm

BJ wrote:Suggestion that Hailey might have been photographed against her will.....because of the child porn found in the home. PK's own opinion.
He absolutely did say that. I heard it, too.

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Post by truthbtold on Wed Mar 30, 2011 1:20 pm

He said "against her will", or "without her knowledge" - definitely one of the two. Without her knowledge = against her will, but not the other way around. I actually hope he said "without her knowledge" because that's a little less excruciating to accept. But, I agree with BJ and gnreed; I think he said "against her will". Hope we see a transcript later today.
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Post by Wrapitup on Wed Mar 30, 2011 1:26 pm

I DID hear that part and he said "without her knowledge". This is his speculation but I think he is right on course.

TBT, I also agree with what you said re: the masks/finding Hailey's DNA on a mask, etc.

OMG, there is just NO WAY that any mother in her right mind would allow this sort of thing to happen. What I don't understand is WHY didn't Hailey immediately tell her father? Is it possible that Shawn threatened to kill Clint if she told anyone?

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Post by truthbtold on Wed Mar 30, 2011 1:50 pm

Wrapitup wrote:I DID hear that part and he said "without her knowledge". This is his speculation but I think he is right on course.

TBT, I also agree with what you said re: the masks/finding Hailey's DNA on a mask, etc.

OMG, there is just NO WAY that any mother in her right mind would allow this sort of thing to happen. What I don't understand is WHY didn't Hailey immediately tell her father? Is it possible that Shawn threatened to kill Clint if she told anyone?

Very possible, imo. We have Billie making a statement to LE on tape on 2/14/10 that Shawn threatened to kill her and Clint in way that everybody will remember for a long time. We have Connie Jones stating that Shawn attempted to pull a studded bat on Clint during a fist-fight in her yard before LE arrived. We then have Billie inviting Shawn to come share her home with her children (and Clint living less than 100 yards away). Yep, if Shawn and/or Billie threatened Clint's life if Hailey told, I'd believe them if I was Hailey. Also, I know others don't agree, but I believe it's quite possible Billie and Shawn were feeding Hailey drugs (especially if they were indeed photographing her). It wouldn't make her any less smart or innocent, imo, just victimized in yet another way at the hands in charge of her care. Most under-aged victims of pornography and prostitution are drugged by their exploiters. I could be wrong, but I think it's the only way they'd get Hailey to participate and either not remember or not tell (fear for Cint, fear of getting in trouble for drugs, shame...). Too much to think about; sad that all of the theories people here at VH have proposed are quite possible; nothing seems too low to be true with the suspects in this case.
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Post by gnreed on Wed Mar 30, 2011 2:02 pm

Wrapitup wrote:I DID hear that part and he said "without her knowledge". This is his speculation but I think he is right on course.


I don't believe it's his speculation. I believe they KNOW she was photographed.
Just my opinion.

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Post by Wrapitup on Wed Mar 30, 2011 2:07 pm

You may be right. What I meant was, as City Manager (I guess there is NO Mayor??) he may not know what LE knows and that is his speculation, as he stated....OR, since LE was standing right there, listening to every word he said and hoping he wouldn't give up too much, he may just know and is saying it's only his speculation.

I bet he was sweating bullets.

Geez, I feel like I am not making any sense.



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Post by gnreed on Wed Mar 30, 2011 2:09 pm

Wrapitup wrote:You may be right. What I meant was, as City Manager (I guess there is NO Mayor??) he may not know what LE knows and that is his speculation, as he stated....OR, since LE was standing right there, listening to every word he said and hoping he wouldn't give up too much, he may just know and is saying it's only his speculation.

I bet he was sweating bullets.

I agree. His comment at the end was odd. He is ready to get on with his life. (Or something like that)

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Post by Boston_Lady on Wed Mar 30, 2011 4:53 pm

I wonder if there is any of the pre-press conference saved. This was the best part. Peter Kampfer was making a comment about family downstairs making a ruckus. He said "I don't care if they say they are tax payers, this is my office and I'll close my door if I have to". Wonder who the family was making all the noise?
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Post by raine1953 on Wed Mar 30, 2011 4:58 pm

I'm thinking if there were any pornographic images of Hailey that were identifiable that there would have already been an arrest. I'm assuming there's been no arrest because LE doesn't have the evidence they need, yet. MOO.
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Post by Boston_Lady on Wed Mar 30, 2011 5:03 pm

gnreed wrote:
Wrapitup wrote:I DID hear that part and he said "without her knowledge". This is his speculation but I think he is right on course.


I don't believe it's his speculation. I believe they KNOW she was photographed.
Just my opinion.
I got the same impression gnreed. The way Kampfer said "logical conclusion" clarified it for me.

I can't figure out if they let Kampfer speak and make misstatements on purpose to keep the suspect and poi's from getting comfortable. They seem to drop information at key times. i.e. just when Billie Jean was going to speak at the traffic 911 rally, they released the child porn/bestiality/deviant images story.

I do hope when the case is wrapped up, we find out the answers. In the meantime, a little girl is deceased and doesn't sound like her passing was peaceful. I do think Hailey saw something that she wasn't supposed to and that is why Billie referred to her as "nosy" and got very emotional saying "so what, so she's nosy". Sensitive issue.

Even though I know 99.9% that Hailey is deceased, I cannot understand how her mother was involved. To be so cold and unemotional when she speaks of Hailey is disturbing. The only time she had real tears was on the BTHN radio show when she was talking about Shawn deceiving her. I hope there is a big break in this case very soon.

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Post by gnreed on Wed Mar 30, 2011 5:34 pm

raine1953 wrote:I'm thinking if there were any pornographic images of Hailey that were identifiable that there would have already been an arrest. I'm assuming there's been no arrest because LE doesn't have the evidence they need, yet. MOO.

I agree but I also believe they are wanting someone to come forward so the remains can be found first. They also may want to make sure who else may have been involved. Shawn may not have acted alone and I am not talking about Billie. Maybe the cousin or the Uncle.

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Post by raine1953 on Wed Mar 30, 2011 5:38 pm

gnreed wrote:
raine1953 wrote:I'm thinking if there were any pornographic images of Hailey that were identifiable that there would have already been an arrest. I'm assuming there's been no arrest because LE doesn't have the evidence they need, yet. MOO.

I agree but I also believe they are wanting someone to come forward so the remains can be found first. They also may want to make sure who else may have been involved. Shawn may not have acted alone and I am not talking about Billie. Maybe the cousin or the Uncle.
I never thought of that, re: finding the remains first, I bet your right. On the other hand, I would hope that if LE thinks/knows that SA is into child porn and he has or even had one victim, I would think they would want him off the street. But they could (I hope) be watching him 24/7.
Hey, did you ever get the police report?
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Post by gnreed on Wed Mar 30, 2011 6:30 pm

I called twice today and asked about the arrest report. I was told the second time that someone would return my call and give me an answer as to whether or not I could obtain a copy. I have not received a phone call.

I have heard the family of Hailey is outraged in CC in reference to the press conference. The HFHD website is also blasting PK.

I have disagreed with PK at times but I believe he was just being honest today and it wasn't what everyone wanted to hear.

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Post by raine1953 on Wed Mar 30, 2011 6:34 pm

Thanks for trying to get the police report gnreed.

PK should never have said that he wants to see this case come to an end so he could get back to his life (I know not exact words but same meaning, imo).
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Post by jeanne1807 on Wed Mar 30, 2011 7:01 pm

Well here his my take on what Mr. Pete had to say.

I think Hailey was secretly being taped. In her bedroom and in her bathroom.

SA is pretty tricky with the video's. I am not discounting he had camers on taping her at times she was not aware.

Just my two cents.
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Post by gnreed on Wed Mar 30, 2011 7:06 pm

I still haven't heard the PC. Did Pete say "against her will" or "without her knowledge"?

If it was against her will, that indicates to me she was well aware and maybe being forced to pose in photos.
JMO

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Post by Wrapitup on Wed Mar 30, 2011 7:51 pm

OMG. I am watching American Idol and posting at the same time. I quoted the wrong paragraph. Gnreed probably thinks I am a horrible person.

This is what I meant:

I have disagreed with PK at times but I believe he was just being honest today and it wasn't what everyone wanted to hear.
Bull to the sh*t. Lies

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Post by Wrapitup on Wed Mar 30, 2011 8:09 pm

gnreed wrote:I still haven't heard the PC. Did Pete say "against her will" or "without her knowledge"?

If it was against her will, that indicates to me she was well aware and maybe being forced to pose in photos.
JMO
I remember this. He definitely said "without her knowledge".

I think PK wasn't that honest in that he knows a lot more than what he said. IMO, why give a press conference if you are only going to b.s. the public?

The comments he made when he thought the mike was off were honest. And hilarious. I think he won't be around much longer in that position. I know I've asked this before but is there a mayor in CC??

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Post by Boston_Lady on Wed Mar 30, 2011 8:21 pm

Wrapitup wrote:OMG. I am watching American Idol and posting at the same time. I quoted the wrong paragraph. Gnreed probably thinks I am a horrible person.

This is what I meant:

I have disagreed with PK at times but I believe he was just being honest today and it wasn't what everyone wanted to hear.
Bull to the sh*t. Lies

I am also watching American Idol and trying to knit. I hate to admit it but if I'm not multi tasking, I can't sit still. I want to slow down but when I try I get antsy. Idol is good this year (I know a little off topic) cool

The family and the supporters of the Billie and Shawn do not want to hear anything negative. On their FB pages, they will remove you if you do not say something positive about the situation. They are feeding off one another. I'm not surprised that the family is unable to hear that Hailey is most likely deceased.

I read that Billie wants to make a statement but it has to go thru her lawyer. I wonder what Clint is thinking ? He has put his whole being into searching for Hailey. But he doesn't want to believe that Billie had anything to do with it and won't entertain any thoughts in that direction. Denial.
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Post by gnreed on Wed Mar 30, 2011 8:26 pm

I have never taken up for PK before but I believe LE has to be extremely careful at this point. They don't know who they can trust, if anybody.
The PC today was what it was. Money talks. More than one person knows what happened to Hailey and knows where she is. For that amount of money, LE hopes someone will talk. I believe it may work. After reading todays comments, I am believing more than just Shawn and Billie are involved.
LE is almost always in a tough situation. They will make the arrest or arrests at the right time. If they can have a slam dunk case, I personally don't care how long it takes.

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Post by Nama on Wed Mar 30, 2011 8:34 pm

BJ wrote:
gnreed wrote:
Wrapitup wrote:I DID hear that part and he said "without her knowledge". This is his speculation but I think he is right on course.
I don't believe it's his speculation. I believe they KNOW she was photographed.
Just my opinion.
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BJ wrote:Suggestion that Hailey might have been photographed against her will.....because of the child porn found in the home. PK's own opinion.
He absolutely did say that. I heard it, too.
I wrote it down as he was speaking. I KNOW he said against her will.

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Post by Wrapitup on Wed Mar 30, 2011 8:40 pm

I don't think $15,000 is enough for anyone to come forward. If it's raised to six figures, that's a horse of a different color.

I DO agree that if it takes awhile for an arrest, that's OK, as long as it doesn't take a year or more and they are arrested for both the CP, beastiality and murder.

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Post by gnreed on Wed Mar 30, 2011 8:46 pm

Thanks BJ. I was reading he had said "against her will" but wasn't sure.

I don't believe it is going to take a year for arrests to be made. I am thinking another week at the most for CP charges. I believe with possible multiple suspects, it's taking longer than expected. JMO

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Post by Wrapitup on Wed Mar 30, 2011 8:56 pm

I must need a hearing aide, like my mother. head bang
BJ, if you wrote it down, that's good enough for me!!

gnreed, another WEEK??? I think we can wait!




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Post by jeanne1807 on Wed Mar 30, 2011 9:26 pm

I am confused on the reward money. The amount.

This is what I kind of heard.

15,000 reward.

Money in the vault

Could be raised to six figures.

What does all that mean? I must have missed a beat.
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Post by gnreed on Wed Mar 30, 2011 9:30 pm

I believe we all have to understand LE is working on this case and are not releasing anything. They throw Pete in front of the camera every once in awhile to attempt to please the media and the public.
Pete doesn't lie when he says he purposely doesn't know anything about the case. I would hate that job as it makes him look like a fool. That is a tough position to be in.

The reward money is at $15,000.00. With PK saying a "third party" call would even be helpful, I bet the phones are ringing off the walls. Probably not good info, but alot of people would love to have $15,000.00.

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............................. Kampfer was asked later about what lead him to think she wasn't alive. He just said he was putting together different pieces of the investigation.

Meanwhile, members of Hailey's family were waiting outside visibly angry and demanding answers.

"Tell us whats going on. If your going to sit there and say there might be a possibility, give us a reason. If not a reason, stop it. This is killing us. We don't know what is going on they wont tell us anything. They're not releasing any information even to the family. We come over here for the press conference they wouldn't even let us in," said Melinda Salazar, Hailey's Aunt.

Family members were able to talk to Kampfer, but they would not share with us what they talked about. They did say they are not giving hope.

"The search is not over until she is home one way or the other. We want her home. We want her alive, but we are not stopping until we find her. Period," Salazar said.

We tried talking to Billie Dunn, Hailey's mother, but she would not talk on camera because her lawyer has told her not to. She did tell NewsWest9 that she was not notified of any new developments and she doesn't believe her daughter is dead.

The main reason for the press conference being called was to change the wording in the reward for Hailey. The previous wording said officials wanted any information that would lead to Hailey and to an arrest. Now they are asking for any information that leads to the whereabouts of Hailey.

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We tried talking to Billie Dunn, Hailey's mother, but she would not talk on camera because her lawyer has told her not to. She did tell NewsWest9 that she was not notified of any new developments and she doesn't believe her daughter is dead.
Oh, BS!!!! She knows damn good and well her daughter is dead! She even said another vigil would be held when Hailey has been missing for 6 months.

I bet BD wishes she hadn't hired a lawyer. I don't know if she is capable of keeping her mouth shut. She Loves the spotlight and loves to run her mouth. She is a lot like Cindy Anthony in this respect.

Maybe she will be higher than a kite and decide to talk to the media. Just like Shawn did against his first attorney's advice. Then, we will see her attorney doing major damage control. MOO.

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Post by truthbtold on Wed Mar 30, 2011 10:08 pm

At first, I thought the PC was a waste and confusing. After absorbing it, I don't think the intention was simply to update the public, but more so to turn up the heat on the guilty parties. By using Kampfer to release the information, LE can't be accused of releasing sensitive information and then be required to waste time defending themselves against Billie's victimization claims again. Kampfer clearly stated he is not speaking on behalf of LE or the DA. Imo, he was indeed expressing LE's beliefs as his own opinions.

AS a result of today's PC, those involved now know that it is believed Hailey is dead and she is featured in pornographic photos. Everyone else knows it too. I think Hailey is masked or her face was cropped and it is not possible to identify Hailey in the photos without a body or a confession. I think this is one reason Billie redecorated her house so quickly; changing the background scenery.

I believe this PC may turn out to be an effective strategy; the guilty parties will be looking over their shoulders or perhaps trying to retrieve other incriminating evidence that is out there somewhere. If anyone else knows the truth, the guilty parties will be looking at them sideways knowing there is more incentive for those with knowledge to make a call to LE with less fear of prosecution and higher reward. The guilty parties will slip up and more people will be likely to report it when they do. JMO...


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Post by gnreed on Wed Mar 30, 2011 10:10 pm

I agree truth. Very well said. They will be suspicious of everyone. The paranoia will hopefully eat them alive.

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Post by charminglane on Wed Mar 30, 2011 10:25 pm

The suspicion alone should put off anyone that goes in and out of that house.
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Post by truthbtold on Wed Mar 30, 2011 10:29 pm

gnreed wrote:I agree truth. Very well said. They will be suspicious of everyone. The paranoia will hopefully eat them alive.

Classic LE technique - divide and conquer. They weren't able to divide Billie and Shawn, so they have expanded the net. Paranoia indeed. I like the idea that those who so callously took Hailey's innocence and (most likely) her life are squirming. I am sorry for innocent members of Hailey's family who still hope she is alive, but maybe this will prompt them to press Billie and Shawn hard. If they aren't willing to clear themselves (which they clearly aren't), innocent family members should be highly suspicious and unwilling to support them, imo...
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Post by charminglane on Wed Mar 30, 2011 10:35 pm

But what if these family members have been profiting from whatever BJD and SA have been doing? They would not want to change their lifestyles. From what we know of the POI and his honey, they are pretty hard core. IMO, no one in the family gives the full court press to these two.
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Post by truthbtold on Wed Mar 30, 2011 10:51 pm

charminglane wrote:But what if these family members have been profiting from whatever BJD and SA have been doing? They would not want to change their lifestyles. From what we know of the POI and his honey, they are pretty hard core. IMO, no one in the family gives the full court press to these two.

True charm. Good point. Still, I think that if anyone in the family knows anything about Hailey or was involved in anything illegal with Shawn and Billie, they were put on notice with the search warning announcement this week and the press conference today. Essentially, everyone was warned that there will be a rightful presumption of suspicion if they are engaging with the suspects or appear to be interfering with the criminal investigation. They were also told that LE wouldn't necessarily be interested in prosecuting them, and may even reward them, for revealing info that could lead to Hailey. If some family members have developed lifestyles built on illegal activity with Shawn and Billie, that's gone anyway. Those two are under a microscope, as are their closest associates, imo. Kampfer opened the door for them to trade information in exchange for a pass on some charges and enough cash to get the heck out of dodge. I hope they take him up on his offer soon...
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Post by Boston_Lady on Wed Mar 30, 2011 10:52 pm

I bet Billie Jean is having withdrawal from all the attention she was receiving. She can no longer hold court from her couch and spew lies. Interesting that her lawyer did not respond to the press conference information. Although, not sure what he could say. Billie Jean spoke too much already.

TBT, I never thought about Billie Jean changing the decor in her house to cover up any identifying marks/places that may be on any of the pics. Of course it might be because I am having a very difficult time thinking that they used Hailey in any of their sick sex games. I wonder if the FBI, LE, or Texas Rangers took pictures of every room in her house for future reference?

GNreed I would love to believe that arrests will come in a week but I'm not so sure. The way Kampfer made it sound was that they continue to build the case and they do not have a time line. He said he hoped it wouldn't be a year or 6 months. The CP is so deep, it's taking a long time for them to identify and follow each clue or identifier.

I'll check back tomorrow to see if BJD's attorney has made a statement...
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Post by Boston_Lady on Wed Mar 30, 2011 11:07 pm

And instead of going to bed, I just checked Big Country one more time. There is a video and article with reaction from Naomi's mother and the Mayor of CC. It seems that the Mayor must not speak to the City Manager because she didn't appear to support his statements from today! This is such a big cluster (#$&#!

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Post by truthbtold on Wed Mar 30, 2011 11:18 pm

Wrapitup wrote:
We tried talking to Billie Dunn, Hailey's mother, but she would not talk on camera because her lawyer has told her not to. She did tell NewsWest9 that she was not notified of any new developments and she doesn't believe her daughter is dead.
Oh, BS!!!! She knows damn good and well her daughter is dead! She even said another vigil would be held when Hailey has been missing for 6 months.

I bet BD wishes she hadn't hired a lawyer. I don't know if she is capable of keeping her mouth shut. She Loves the spotlight and loves to run her mouth. She is a lot like Cindy Anthony in this respect.

Maybe she will be higher than a kite and decide to talk to the media. Just like Shawn did against his first attorney's advice. Then, we will see her attorney doing major damage control. MOO.

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Blow for blow. Mr. Young releases a statement last week that Billie, a decent and good young woman (not mother, just woman) and he himself believe Hailey is alive. Mr. Young and Billie want all of us not to worry about who is responsible for her disappearance and instead just keep searching for their baby. Kampfer (on behalf of LE, imo) strikes back today by clearly indicating the "bad things" going on Billie Dunn's house directly caused Hailey's disappearance and probable death. Kampfer clearly implies that Billie and Shawn and possible associates deserve to be looked at closely by everyone (and those who talk could profit). People in close reach know just where to find Hailey, imo. Kampfer isn't asking for money to fund searches. Kampfer is asking for money to reward tipsters (and repeats many times that they may not face prosecution). Kampfer countered all of Billie's lawyers weak claims, point by point: Billie is not decent and good; folks should indeed focus on the suspects; inside knowledge (rather than searches) is the fastest route to Hailey; it is not reasonable to expect Hailey will be found alive. I give Kampfer and LE the win in this first match. I too am interested in Mr. Young's response...
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Post by Nama on Wed Mar 30, 2011 11:23 pm

Whodunit needs to be answered. Whatever "it" is. Everything else will fall into place then.

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Post by truthbtold on Wed Mar 30, 2011 11:31 pm

Boston_Lady wrote:And instead of going to bed, I just checked Big Country one more time. There is a video and article with reaction from Naomi's mother and the Mayor of CC. It seems that the Mayor must not speak to the City Manager because she didn't appear to support his statements from today! This is such a big cluster (#$&#!

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Interesting, thanks Boston_Lady. I didn't get the impression that the Mayor was not supporting Kampfer's statements, more that since it's not a 100% certain that Hailey is dead, searchers should continue and are appreciated; possibilities are still wide open.

A couple of weird things about the video:
1. Why is the newstation calling Naomi's mom Patricia Hailey's grandma? They aren't calling Naomi Hailey's mom? Maybe not a big deal, but seems disrespectful to Hailey's real grandmas, imo.
2. Why should the fact that Hailey is presumed dead discourage searches? Searchers must know they are looking for a body or clues that will most likely lead to one - they aren't looking for Halley hiding in a tree or camping in a tent.

Maybe my brain and heart are just too tired to see the logic.

Goodnight all - may tomorrow be the day sweet Hailey is found... praying
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Post by Nama on Wed Mar 30, 2011 11:45 pm

Update: Hailey's mother, Billie Dunn, is waiting to hear from her lawyer on whether or not she will respond to today's press conference.

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Post by Wrapitup on Wed Mar 30, 2011 11:47 pm

It's almost midnight here and she is waiting for a call from her lawyer? Where has she been all day? In a fog? :scratch:

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Post by raine1953 on Wed Mar 30, 2011 11:59 pm

BJ wrote:Update: Hailey's mother, Billie Dunn, is waiting to hear from her lawyer on whether or not she will respond to today's press conference.

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Unbelievable. She just can't keep her mouth shut.
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Post by Nama on Thu Mar 31, 2011 1:06 am

"Although we would very much like the safe return of Hailey, that may not be likely”, said Kampfer.

Kampfer, a former law enforcement agent with the FBI, says the reward could reach as high as $100,000.

He also admitted personally, he believes it's likely that investigators have not arrested Shawn Adkins because they might be waiting for him to make a wrong move.

"Obviously Hailey is 13 year old so when you find child pornography you can start putting things together? Was there something being conducted where Hailey was being photographed against her will? That's a suspicion I have but that's me talking as a City Manager", says Kampfer.

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Post by jeanne1807 on Thu Mar 31, 2011 5:59 am

Kampfer, a former law enforcement agent with the FBI, says the reward could reach as high as $100,000.

I took that from BJ's above statement. How exactly can it "reach" that amount.

Thats the part I am not getting.

I am thinking that when they make a bust..FBI and Texas Rangers there are large amounts of money. Is that the "vault" he was talking about?

Are they going to use some of that vault money to catch the rats.

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Naomi's mother and the other grandmothers go at it tooth and nail. Naomi's mother must be a real hummer. I am sure she said that to anger somebody..anybody.
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Post by Wrapitup on Thu Mar 31, 2011 6:05 am

Wrap,
Naomi's mother and the other grandmothers go at it tooth and nail. Naomi's mother must be a real hummer. I am sure she said that to anger somebody..anybody.
How do you know this? What did she say to anger somebody? Color me Confused!

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Post by jeanne1807 on Thu Mar 31, 2011 6:12 am

Wrapitup wrote:
Wrap,
Naomi's mother and the other grandmothers go at it tooth and nail. Naomi's mother must be a real hummer. I am sure she said that to anger somebody..anybody.
How do you know this? What did she say to anger somebody? Color me Confused!

The gals over on that FB account talk about the three grandmas. Clints mother, Naomi's mother and Billie's mother. I can't remember all they were saying but they were going back and forth.

If I find anything I will bring it over.
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