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Post by mommyof3kids on Thu Mar 24, 2011 4:05 pm

Everyone in that court room look so tired of BOZO, all the while miss Nasty Pants, writes away like she is SO important, looking up every so often, as if she is interested in what Bozo is saying!! la la la

If Dr. Vass is a drinker, I can bet he is going straight to the local pub after this day of HELL! wine drinker

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Post by lisette on Thu Mar 24, 2011 4:06 pm

Hey, I just thought of another thing Bozo and KC have in common: They both think they are lawyers! crazy3 :cheering:
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Post by HippieChick on Thu Mar 24, 2011 4:09 pm

Casey busy taking notes and flipping through documents. WHAT THE HECK IS SHE WRITING???? I would love to know!!!! She was writing very carefully yesterday while reviewing (or appearing to review) and I could just imagine her putting little hearts atop every "i", smilie and sad faces
all over the margins, etc. She may be 25 years old now but IMO shes the equivalent of a 12 year old in maturity and thought.
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Post by lisette on Thu Mar 24, 2011 4:10 pm

JP is keeping his hands on his mouth to keep from screaming at Bozo to SHUT UP!!
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lisette wrote:Hey, I just thought of another thing Bozo and KC have in common: They both think they are lawyers! [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

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Post by lisette on Thu Mar 24, 2011 4:12 pm

Dr. Vass is looking at his watch..."When will this ever end?!" he's wondering.
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Post by HippieChick on Thu Mar 24, 2011 4:13 pm

mommyof3kids wrote:Everyone in that court room look so tired of BOZO, all the while miss Nasty Pants, writes away like she is SO important, looking up every so often, as if she is interested in what Bozo is saying!! [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

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Pub, hell! I bet he goes outside and smokes up one of his napkins with THC and cannabis residue. LOL.
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Post by HippieChick on Thu Mar 24, 2011 4:14 pm

Voss excused. Bet he feels like getting freaky after the day he's just had.
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Post by mommyof3kids on Thu Mar 24, 2011 4:17 pm

THE PROSECUTION RESTS, BUT OH NO... NOT BOZO!! rabbit
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Post by mommyof3kids on Thu Mar 24, 2011 4:18 pm

by HippieChick Today at 4:14 pm

Voss excused. Bet he feels like getting freaky after the day he's just had

Pub, hell! I bet he goes outside and smokes up one of his napkins with THC and cannabis residue. LOL.

peace ROFLMAO ROFLMAO
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Post by lisette on Thu Mar 24, 2011 4:22 pm

JP says that they will reconvene NEXT Fri. at 8:30, not tomorrow, and will finish on that Sat. if necessary. More late witnesses from Bozo...JP wants to know NOW why they are late. He is so PO'ed at Bozo. Ann Finnell is telling JP that these witnesses have to do with KC's state of mind.
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Post by HippieChick on Thu Mar 24, 2011 4:25 pm

State of mind? How about lying narcissistic delusional murdering POS and definately out of the running in any way shape or form for MOTY.
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Post by lisette on Thu Mar 24, 2011 4:25 pm

Ann Finnell is promising to get reports from these two witnesses to the state tomorrow...
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Post by lisette on Thu Mar 24, 2011 4:28 pm

JP will listen to AF at the bench, but did not want to see Bozo up there..He is so OVER him!!
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Post by lisette on Thu Mar 24, 2011 4:33 pm

Court in recess, finally...KC is giving Bozo his instructions...Patting him on the arm (how sweet), completely ignoring CA again. She is through with GA, CA, and Lee.
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Post by HippieChick on Thu Mar 24, 2011 4:35 pm

Court in recess, Casey almost bounds for the door. Baez says something to her then laughs- whats so dang funny? I feel like I had a root canal watching this today.

We all might be smokin' the ganja by the time the trial is underway. For medicinal purposes only.

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Post by artgal16 on Thu Mar 24, 2011 4:38 pm

Ashton says if state of mind means diminished capacity then state has the right to examination of Casey as well. Finnell say to JP its not diminised capacity. If this is for conviction and penalty hearing
what the heck could state of mind refer to?
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Post by mommyof3kids on Thu Mar 24, 2011 4:46 pm

Question: Is the behavioral witness called by Defense to explain Casey's demeanor? If so, I am curious to see what explanation the witness could give that could actually HELP her, nothing seems NORMAL about her demeanor or actions the day after her daughter is technically "abducted by the Nanny"
Partying Wee hours of the night pole dancer renting movies with her Boy Toy!! huge waste

RIP precious little Caylee! We all love you so much!!
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Post by charminglane on Thu Mar 24, 2011 5:14 pm

I think Casey is just writing her name over and over.
Or drawing a cartoon.
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Post by Wrapitup on Thu Mar 24, 2011 5:26 pm

Man Removed From Anthony Hearing After Outburst

POSTED: Tuesday, March 22, 2011
UPDATED: 10:24 am EDT March 24, 2011

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ORLANDO, Fla. -- A man was escorted from a court hearing in the Casey Anthony murder case after blurting out a remark about the recent earthquake and tsunami in Japan.
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The young man, who was sitting in the third row of the gallery, interrupted the proceedings Wednesday afternoon, saying in a calm, clear voice, "the Lord has showed himself in Japan with destruction."

The man, described by Local 6 News reporter Tony Pipitone as in his 20s and dressed casually, was immediately removed from the courtroom. He will not be permitted to return.

No other details about the man were immediately known.

Judge Belvin Perry adjourned the hearing just after 5 p.m. Wednesday, to be continued on Thursday.

The hearing is focusing on motions regarding scientific evidence in the case.
Perry will eventually determine whether a jury should hear what scientists hired by the state claim they found in the car Anthony drove around while her daughter, Caylee Anthony, was missing.

During the hearing on Wednesday, Anthony voraciously took notes while experts testified and were cross examined.

Experts for the prosecution claimed they found chemicals that only could have come from human decomposition, as well as high levels of chloroform, in the car.

FBI analyst Karen Korsberg Lowe testified that she found characteristics of apparent decomposition on the hair, indicating it came from a person who was already dead.
Kosberg testified Wednesday that she could not say for certain that the hair fell out of Caylee's dead body, but she thinks it did.

Forensic chemist Barry Logan, a defense expert witness, said that those conclusions and others made by experts for the prosecution are not based on "generally accepted scientific principles."

If Perry agrees with Logan, a jury will never hear the state expert's opinions.

Pipitone said he expects prosecutor Jeff Ashton to attack Logan in any way possible, including noting that Logan resigned last year as the director of the Washington state crime lab after judges lost faith in its blood alcohol tests.

Evidence like what state experts want to present regarding human decomposition have never been allowed in court to help prove a murder case in the past, but prosecutors believe they have a chance.
Ashton has a history of getting groundbreaking scientific evidence into court. In 1987, he obtained the first conviction in the United States based on DNA.
Cadaver dogs were also discussed Wednesday, specifically the ones that handlers said alerted on scents of a body having been in the backyard of the Anthony family home and in the trunk of Casey Anthony's car.

Unlike the hair evidence, Perry will not decide whether dog handler testimony can be used in court -- it can -- but the defense wants this specific testimony excluded because it claims it is not reliable and the prejudicial impact of the testimony outweighs whatever value it has in proving Casey Anthony's guilt.

Anthony, 25, is charged with first-degree murder in Caylee's death. Caylee was 2 years old when she was reported missing in July 2008. Her remains were found in a wooded area in east Orange County in December 2008.
Perry said he will not rule from the bench when the hearing is over. He will issue a written order. For now, he has only heard testimony from experts, but no arguments.

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Post by Wrapitup on Thu Mar 24, 2011 5:31 pm

Courtroom Gets Heated In Day 2 Of Casey Hearing

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ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- Lawyers in the case against Casey Anthony were debating scientific evidence in court Thursday, but Chief Judge Belvin Perry had to fight to keep them on topic. The defense filed a motion Thursday, accusing Perry of bias and misstating facts.
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Casey's attorneys want him to reconsider his decision to allow the jury to hear Casey's lies to law enforcement and her family.

Their uphill battle continued Thursday with a couple of bombshells from the prosecution's scientist that even got Casey's attention.

Dr. Arpad Vass, a research scientist with the Oak Ridge Laboratory who tested the air and carpeting in Casey's trunk, got her attention when he told the prosecutor his reaction to opening the sealed container holding the carpeting.

"I jumped back 20 feet. It was very strong. To me it was the smell of human decomposition," said Dr. Vass.
Casey's eyes widened when he said that, and then she looked down.

Dr. Vass said human decomposition has a distinct odor. He dropped another bombshell by saying he found eight times more chloroform emanating from her trunk carpet and 10,000 times more chloroform in the air from her trunk than he's even seen with unventilated decomposition.

WFTV legal analyst Bill Sheaffer said he expects that prosecutor Jeff Ashton, who was the first in the country to use DNA evidence in a criminal case, will convince Judge Perry to allow Vass's air tests to come into a trial for the first time ever.

"The defense is grasping at straws," said Sheaffer.
However, Casey's attorney Jose Baez did get an Orange County sheriff's cadaver dog handler to admit he could not know for sure why his dog alerted on Casey's trunk.
Forgey testified that his dog was trained to pick up the scent of a dead body, and it alerted on Casey's trunk.
"K-9 Garret jumped inside, front paws only made eye contact with me, came back out of the trunk and gave a final trained alert," Forgey explained.

"Is there any way for you to determine whether your dog's alert was from a live person or a dead person?" Baez asked K-9 handler Lt. Jason Forgey.

"No," Forgey said.

The defense is arguing that the dogs can sense a dead body, but not necessarily remnants of one.

However, Baez was admonished by Judge Perry more than once about improper questioning.

When Baez pressed the issue, the judge stepped in and said the questions he's asking have nothing to do with the defense motion to exclude evidence.

"I believe it does," Baez said.

"Well unfortunately, I don't. So move on," Perry said.
Baez was scolded again for allegedly trying to pull a fast one on prosecutors by challenging something he agreed he would not challenge.

"Someone might assume that you were waiting in ambush," Perry said to Baez.

But Baez claimed he was pressured into that agreement because of the threat of a contempt charge.
"Opportunity happened to land on his lap, that he has a contempt charge lying over opposing counsel's head to basically force his hand," Baez said.

Both sides will continue the battle over scientific evidence at another hearing on Friday April 1. They'll discuss "plant growth evidence," detectives collected along with Caylee's remains and a stain found in the trunk of Casey's car.

Judge Perry will also hear testimony about a heart sticker discovered near Caylee's remains.

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ORLANDO, Fla. -- While attorneys were arguing whether jurors should hear about the "death smell" in Casey Anthony's trunk, Anthony's attorneys filed a motion calling a previous ruling by the judge biased.

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The defense blasted Judge Belvin Perry for allowing statements Anthony made to deputies and family members after her daughter, Caylee Anthony, was reported missing into trial. It said Perry was biased and incorrect in his ruling. The defense filed a motion Thursday afternoon requesting a rehearing.

Thursday's hearing, continued from Wednesday, focused on the smell of death and whether a Dr. Arpad Vass, a research scientist, will be the first ever allowed in the United States to testify that he and his machines can detect human decomposition in air.

"When I opened the can (an air sample taken from Anthony's trunk), I had to jump back two feet. It was, to me, the smell of human decomposition," Vass said.
Vass ruled out theories about old pizza and a squirrel causing the odor in Anthony's car. He also said he was shocked by the high levels of chloroform pulled from the air in the trunk.

"I have never seen chloroform be the largest in any sample we have ever shot in my 20 years of doing this," Vass said.

Earlier Thursday, the topic of a cadaver dog alerting to a death smell was discussed.
A K-9 officer named Gerus, and handled by Deputy Jason Forgey, alerted during a search of the Anthony family's backyard and in Anthony's car in July 2008 , meaning he indicated a dead body had been in those areas.

Forgey has thousands of K-9 cases under his belt, including more than 100 cadaver dog searches. He testified Thursday that his dog is trained to alert on ground where a body has been moved from.

Anthony's defense team wants the cadaver dog testimony kept out of trial.
Later Thursday, a doctor from the Oak Ridge National Laboratory will testify that he thinks he can use chemical analysis to detect whether human decomposition has occurred and that he performed that test on air samples from Anthony's trunk and found that human decomposition had occurred.

The hearing will continue Friday, April 1 and possibly into April 2.

Anthony, 25, is charged with first-degree murder in Caylee's death. Caylee was 2 years old when she was reported missing in July 2008. Her remains were found in a wooded area in east Orange County in December 2008.

Judge Belvin Perry said he will not rule from the bench when the hearing is over. He will issue a written order. For now, he has only heard testimony from experts, but no arguments.

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Post by cherylz on Thu Mar 24, 2011 6:25 pm

Am I understanding correctly?
1. The expert could not say the hair was in fact from Caylee, but that it was from a deceased person? I thought based on DNA it was either KC or Caylee's hair, but w/ the death band the person was deceased, therefore, it was Caylee?
2. The dog hitting on the trunk -the handler couldn't say if it was hitting on a dead or alive person? I thought they only hit on decomposition.
3. I didn't realize that the levels of chloroform were that high. Good news for the prosecution.
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Post by mommyof3kids on Thu Mar 24, 2011 6:58 pm

Hi Cherylz, To answer your first two Q's, I think both witnesses were so confused after their LONG Drawn out questioning by BOZO, that they got so mixed up in how they were answering their Q's, LOL :lol:
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Post by jeanne1807 on Thu Mar 24, 2011 7:37 pm

Honestly does Casey think she is Baez assistant? She is now into his files and his books. She used to stick with her pad and pencil only. She is driving me nuts.

If I was on the jury I would say "if she picks up that pen one more time I am going for guilty no matter what".

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Between watching Casey and keeping an eye on Perry I hardly pay any attention to the questions and answers.

I was suprised when the bodyfarm expert said he never saw so much chlorform before. Now if I was on a jury that would catch my attention..for sure.
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Group Hug I love you guys. Thank you to all of you who posted during and after the hearing. It was better then being there to read the blog. I lol
I am shocked3 at the last motion accusing the judge of bias! He is trying to get KC off the hook for insufficient counsel with his stupidity.
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Post by Heike on Thu Mar 24, 2011 9:01 pm

Wow....it sounds like a GRUELING day in the courtroom! I was totally *drained* by Baez in my short time here this AM!

Thank you all for sharing! :-) Poor Dr Voss....interesting statements. I have to absorb all of this and grab dinner!

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The Casey Anthony defense team filed a scathing motion Thursday that criticized recent orders by Orange-Osceola Chief Judge Belvin Perry and accused the veteran jurist of displaying "clear bias" in the case.

The defense wants a rehearing on earlier attempts to get Casey Anthony's statements to her family, friends and law enforcement officials excluded from her upcoming trial. The motion was filed with the Orange County Clerk of Courts while the prosecution and defense appeared before Perry in court Thursday and questioned witnesses about scientific evidence in the case.

Neither Perry nor the prosecution was initially aware the motion had been filed as they resumed the lengthy hearing Thursday afternoon.

The motion refers to a series of "inaccuracies" in Perry's order regarding Casey Anthony's involvement with law enforcement early on in the case on July 15 and July 16 2008.

"Because there are factual inaccuracies in the court's order which were relied upon in reaching its conclusion, the undersigned respectfully asks that the court grant an additional hearing in order to rule on the actual facts in evidence," defense attorney Cheney Mason wrote in one part of the motion.

In another part of the nine-page document, involving whether Casey Anthony was in custody when she gave early statements to investigators, Mason wrote, "the court did not look at the evidence from the hearing objectively and instead displays a clear bias in explaining law enforcement conduct…"

Mason was the one member of the defense team not in the courtroom Thursday.

When the proceeding ended for the day, lead defense attorney Jose Baez refused to answer any questions about the defense motion, the bias claim or any implication left by the motion that the defense wants Perry off the case.

Trailed by television cameras and reporters, Baez ignored their questions and instead chatted with a young blogger about where he went to school and whether he was interested in the Casey Anthony case.

Court administration spokeswoman Karen Levey said she expects Perry to enter an order on the new motion early Friday.

The latest defense motion brings about recollections of the defense team's successful effort to have Circuit Judge Stan Strickland recuse himself from the case last year.

In that motion, the defense argued "Judge Strickland seeks publicity in his own right, and that his rulings and decisions from the bench could be improperly influenced by his desire to secure the outcome that maximizes that publicity."

Courthouse sources familiar with the case said they seriously doubted the defense would "get a second bite of the apple" if the attorneys are considering having Perry removed.

Still, the motion challenges Perry's rulings on key issues of whether Casey Anthony's rights were violated, particularly her right to counsel and Miranda warnings.

"The defendant seeks a rehearing on the statement of facts and the applicable law as to the Sixth Amendment issue, as the order on that subject fails to address the matter as to either issue," Mason wrote.

The motion for a rehearing also cites "factual errors between testimony presented at hearing and the order denying [the] motion to suppress statements made to law enforcement officers."

While the motion hit the file in the clerk's office, Baez spent Thursday in Perry's court grilling two important prosecution witnesses. He tried to discredit the handler of a cadaver dog involved in the case and a scientist whose novel findings would help the prosecution place a decomposing human body in the trunk of Casey Anthony's Pontiac Sunfire.

Anthony, 25, is charged with first-degree murder in the death of her 2-year-old daughter, Caylee Marie. Anthony's trial is set to start May 9.

The hearings on the scientific evidence in the case an all day Wednesday and Thursday. The hearings are scheduled to resume next Fridayand perhaps next Saturdayif necessary.

Chloroform levels extremely high, expert says

Arpad Vass, senior research scientist at Oak Ridge National Laboratory testified for hours Thursday about his extensive research in buried body decomposition as well as surface decomposition.

Anthony's team wants to stop Vass' air-sample and decomposition odor evidence used in her murder trial.

His team examined air samples from a metal can from the trunk of Anthony's car and ran a special test on an air sample and found an extremely high "peak" showing chloroform. Vass said in hundreds of such samples he'd collected through the years he'd never seen chloroform levels that high. His reaction, he said, was "surprise."

Vass says the amount of chloroform found in the air sample from the car was too high to be just from decomposition of a human body. "I don't think so," he said when asked by Assistant State Attorney Jeff Ashton. "It's much greater than that."

Vass said when he opened one sample pulled from carpet in the car, he "jumped back about two feet. It was to me the smell of human decomposition."

A few moments earlier, Vass said, "Human decomposition is as unique to me as a skunk is to anybody else...Human decomposition is very unique."

Vass found a number of chemical compounds from air samples in the vehicle that his research indicates is associated with human decomposition.

He also identified a volatile fatty acid associated with human decomposition from an analysis done on the carpet stain from Casey Anthony's car.

Cadaver dogs 'alerted'

Earlier Thursday the prosecution and defense wrapped up questioning over police dogs used early on in the investigation.

Cadaver dogs "alerted" on the trunk of Casey Anthony's car and the backyard of her family's home during their search for her daughter after she vanished in summer 2008.

Orange County Deputy Jason Forgey, the K-9 handler of "Gerus," the dog that alerted on Casey Anthony's car, testified the entire morning.

When Jose Baez asked what kind of K-9 handler Forgey is, Forgey said, "a good one."

"We're going to find that out this morning," Baez quipped.

Baez questioned Forgey at length about the training of his dogs. Baez especially inquired about handler bias and giving the cadaver dog cues.

Forgey confirmed that his dog was not routinely trained with "double blind" testing in which both the handler and the dog were unaware of where a target item has been hidden for search purposes, but he said some of the dog's training did include that kind of testing.

Forgey said he does not recall telling Detective Yuri Melich that he would "give it a shot" when he was initially asked to have the dog search the car, knowing there was no body there.

This was mid-July 2008 when Casey's car was in the Sheriff's Office custody.

Forgey said he had the Pontiac moved out of a garage bay and into the parking lot. He then had the dog do the search on the Pontiac and another car.

He drew a diagram of the scene on a large sheet of paper for Baez and explained how the search was conducted.

Searching the Pontiac

Forgey described searching the Pontiac. He said he was aware it was the suspect's vehicle beforehand. The dog began alerting around the vehicle and he had the driver's side door opened to ventilate the vehicle.

The dog put his head inside and looked toward the rear seat, Forgey said.

He had the trunk opened. The dog sensed the trunk then looked at Forgey and made a "final trained alert" by sitting down at the rear of the vehicle, the deputy said.

That action, he said, is the way for the dog to signal to the handler that he has hit on the odor of a dead body.

At one point this morning, Baez asked Forgey about testimony he gave to the grand jury. The prosecution immediately objected and Judge Perry ordered the witness not to respond, noting that such testimony is privileged, not public and not to be discussed at this hearing.

Baez moved on to different questions.

Forgey's dog/partner, who retired last year, also made a final trained alert in the "southeast corner of the (Anthony's) yard near the playground area," Forgey said. This area included a playhouse and picnic table.

Forgey then asked another handler from Osceola County to do a search of the yard with her dog. Forgey said he did this to be thorough.

"I wanted a second opinion. I wanted a second dog," he said.

Then Baez asked Forgey what it was about his knowledge that made the dog's alert "less reliable?"

"Nothing," Forgey said, adding that he called for the second dog "to go above and beyond and do the best job I can do."

False positive?

That second dog alerted in the same area. Crime-scene investigators officials then began a search of that area in the yard.

Forgey also says his dog, Gerus, did not alert the next day after the area was scoured by CSI technicians.

Baez asked if he ever noted the dog's initial alert as a "false positive."

"I wouldn't say it's a false positive," Forgey said. "You're calling it a false positive."

The removal of items and soil and grass from the yard during the CSI search could have removed the scent the dog initially picked up.

Forgey also testified that blood from a cut or torn skin could have caused the dog to alert. He added another possibility: "Someone could have laid a deceased person on the ground that was decomposing," Forgey said.

Baez eventually asked Forgey if his nose is certified. Forgey said no, but added, "I've smelled plenty of training aids and plenty of dead bodies."

He explained that he too smelled the strong odor from the trunk of the Pontiac, but that was the only way he could confirm the dog's alert because no human remains were found at that location at that time.

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Post by artgal16 on Thu Mar 24, 2011 11:02 pm

I am absolutely shocked that Baez and Mason have filesd this motion alleging bias against Judge Perry.
If they think they can get him off the case, they are truly crazy.
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ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- Lawyers in the case against Casey Anthony were debating scientific evidence in court Thursday, but Chief Judge Belvin Perry had to fight to keep them on topic. The defense filed a motion Thursday, accusing Perry of bias and misstating facts.

Casey's attorneys want him to reconsider his decision to allow the jury to hear Casey's lies to law enforcement and her family.

Their uphill battle continued Thursday with a couple of bombshells from the prosecution's scientist that even got Casey's attention.

Dr. Arpad Vass, a research scientist with the Oak Ridge Laboratory who tested the air and carpeting in Casey's trunk, got her attention when he told the prosecutor his reaction to opening the sealed container holding the carpeting.

"I jumped back 20 feet. It was very strong. To me it was the smell of human decomposition," said Dr. Vass.

Casey's eyes widened when he said that, and then she looked down.

Dr. Vass said human decomposition has a distinct odor. He dropped another bombshell by saying he found eight times more chloroform emanating from her trunk carpet and 10,000 times more chloroform in the air from her trunk than he's even seen with unventilated decomposition.

WFTV legal analyst Bill Sheaffer said he expects that prosecutor Jeff Ashton, who was the first in the country to use DNA evidence in a criminal case, will convince Judge Perry to allow Vass's air tests to come into a trial for the first time ever.

"The defense is grasping at straws," said Sheaffer.

However, Casey's attorney Jose Baez did get an Orange County sheriff's cadaver dog handler to admit he could not know for sure why his dog alerted on Casey's trunk.

Forgey testified that his dog was trained to pick up the scent of a dead body, and it alerted on Casey's trunk.

"K-9 Garret jumped inside, front paws only made eye contact with me, came back out of the trunk and gave a final trained alert," Forgey explained.

"Is there any way for you to determine whether your dog's alert was from a live person or a dead person?" Baez asked K-9 handler Lt. Jason Forgey.

"No," Forgey said.

The defense is arguing that the dogs can sense a dead body, but not necessarily remnants of one.

However, Baez was admonished by Judge Perry more than once about improper questioning.

When Baez pressed the issue, the judge stepped in and said the questions he's asking have nothing to do with the defense motion to exclude evidence.

"I believe it does," Baez said.

"Well unfortunately, I don't. So move on," Perry said.

Baez was scolded again for allegedly trying to pull a fast one on prosecutors by challenging something he agreed he would not challenge.

"Someone might assume that you were waiting in ambush," Perry said to Baez.

But Baez claimed he was pressured into that agreement because of the threat of a contempt charge.

"Opportunity happened to land on his lap, that he has a contempt charge lying over opposing counsel's head to basically force his hand," Baez said.

Both sides will continue the battle over scientific evidence at another hearing on Friday April 1. They'll discuss "plant growth evidence," detectives collected along with Caylee's remains and a stain found in the trunk of Casey's car.

Judge Perry will also hear testimony about a heart sticker discovered near Caylee's remains
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Post by lisette on Fri Mar 25, 2011 9:27 am

Sorry, I didn't get to do any follow-up on the hearings with you guys. Had to take my sweet hubby to the hospital last night with pneumonia...Just came in for a little while to rest before I go back. Will get back with you later...
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Lisette - please let us know how your husband is doing
and take care.
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Post by jeanne1807 on Fri Mar 25, 2011 10:58 am

mommyof3kids wrote:Everyone in that court room look so tired of BOZO, all the while miss Nasty Pants, writes away like she is SO important, looking up every so often, as if she is interested in what Bozo is saying!! la la la

If Dr. Vass is a drinker, I can bet he is going straight to the local pub after this day of HELL! wine drinker

I just saw your post. What a hoot! You have me giggling. Yes I think Dr. Vass has had a full afternoon. He was sipping on that water like it was his last gulp.

Can you imagine his job. And all those dead bodies. I guess somebody has to do it and he certainly seems to "love his work".

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Post by jeanne1807 on Fri Mar 25, 2011 11:00 am

HippieChick wrote:Casey busy taking notes and flipping through documents. WHAT THE HECK IS SHE WRITING???? I would love to know!!!! She was writing very carefully yesterday while reviewing (or appearing to review) and I could just imagine her putting little hearts atop every "i", smilie and sad faces
all over the margins, etc. She may be 25 years old now but IMO shes the equivalent of a 12 year old in maturity and thought.

Did you happen to see the gal bring in a huge blue file folder and place it before Miss I am an attorney in training! She was pulling out papers like she knew what she was doing.

This trial is going to take forever..and ever..and ever. I am tired already!
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Post by jeanne1807 on Fri Mar 25, 2011 11:04 am

lisette wrote:JP says that they will reconvene NEXT Fri. at 8:30, not tomorrow, and will finish on that Sat. if necessary. More late witnesses from Bozo...JP wants to know NOW why they are late. He is so PO'ed at Bozo. Ann Finnell is telling JP that these witnesses have to do with KC's state of mind.

Good gravy even Jeanne in Indiana knows Casey's state of mind..then and now.

I have enjoyed watching Judge Perry. I wonder how he blows off steam? He has quite the jewelry collection on his wrists. I really like him. He seemed a bit antsy during Dr. Vass testimony. Perhaps he is a bit squeamish????
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Post by Lilone on Fri Mar 25, 2011 11:05 am

How could a daughter so totally and completely ignore her parents after 3 years of not speaking to or touching them? How can she not be emotional after being in jail all that time, while her parents have done everything in their power to support and defend her, how could she not send a smile and a glance their way?

Is it sociopathy? She is a worthless piece of flesh in my opinion. If this woman has no feelings for her daughter, her parents or her brother, how can she ever be a productive member of society? She obviously is emotionless to her very core. Needy, but emotionless.

How could she not be torn apart by the testimony of experts who say that her baby was dead, in the trunk of her car and rotted by the side of the road, in a swampy wooded area? How? Oh, I know. Because it doesn't surprise her. She knew all of this before the experts did.
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They are completely clueless on how she should act, how she should dress, etc. My belief is that they are planning on somehow throwing George or Cindy under the bus - that is why no contact and not acknowledgement. Im really interested in this state of mind business. Baez was reluctant to discuss from the
podium rather than a sidebar to tell the judge what these new witnesses who are head docs would say.
I wondered if that was because Cindy was in the room.
George knows whats coming is my belief as they will bring up the abuse at trial.
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Post by Lilone on Fri Mar 25, 2011 11:14 am

True. I agree with you. George is definitely having issues. Probably with both Casey and Cindy.

Here's another question on my mind -

What is the point of the new motion to rehear the motions Judge Perry ruled on last week? I believe it is an attempt to impeach Judge Perry. How will he handle this issue? More importantly, how will the Florida Bar handle it?

If, for some strange, unknown reason, Perry were to recuse or somehow be removed from this case, would the case then go before a higher court? Does Bozo know somebody in a higher court that is sympathetic to his cause?
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Here is what the motion is about:

1. The Court recited facts in the second paragraph of the Order as follows “When officers arrived at the scene, they proceeded to separate the family members in order to obtain statements..[t]his was done in accordance with established police procedure.” In fact, family members were kept together when the officers arrived, and only much later separated for writing statements.
2. Page 2, full paragraph 2 of the Order States “The defendant was briefly handcuffed and placed in a patrol car. Shortly thereafter, the Defendant was released from her handcuffs and allowed to return inside her home.” It is an undisputed fact that the Defendant was handcuffed by Officer Eberlin, walked out to a patrol car and placed in the rear cage of the vehicle. Further, instead of “allowing” the Defendant to reenter the home, the Defendant was physically escorted into the home. This is not the encounter described in the Order.
3. While in Officer Acevedo’s vehicle, the Defendant was taken to the Sawgrass Apartments. Deputy Fletcher followed and questioned the Defendant while she remained in the rear of the patrol vehicle, this fact is not revealed in the Order.
4. The Order fails to state that, at no time during the police presence in the Defendant’s home, was she less than ten feet away from an armed law enforcement agent.
5. The Order states simply that Det. Melich “returned the Defendant to her home and left. The facts fail to disclose that Det. Melich left the home at 4am after repeated and prolonged interrogation.
6. The Order also fails to address the fact that, in “touring” Universal, the Officers had previously uncovered the fact that the Defendant did not work there before the Defendant was taken to the premises by two officers in a patrol car. Instead, page 12, paragraph one of the Order incorrectly explains the intense tone of the interrogation by stating that the Officers “seemed to be frustrated with the Defendant for leading them on a ‘wild goose chase’.”
7. The facts of the Order, as well as the analysis allude to the suggestion that the Defendant invited the Officers into her home. The Defendant’s mother summoned law enforcement and demanded that the officers arrest her daughter. This cannot be characterized as a consensual encounter on the part of the Defendant.
8. The facts also point out as apparently important that Det. Melich was summoned by Defendant. This is incorrect. He was contacted at the request of Cindy Anthony, not the Defendant. At no time can it reasonably be said Defendant was free to leave under these circumstances. Further, it is disingenuous to characterize the Defendant’s law enforcement encounter as in any way voluntary.
9. Another material error is the assertion by the Court that “[a]s a threshold matter, the Court notes that the interview took place in the conference room because that was where the Defendant led police, claiming it to be her office.” Not so. the Defendant, at no time, and according to no testimony at the hearing, claimed that the 10 X 10 conference room was her office. Instead, the Defendant was escorted to the conference room by three armed agents, 20 miles from home with no means of transportation save the police vehicle that brought her there. Further, she was interrogated with the door closed. This is a far cry from the volitional act characterized in the Order.
10. Because there are factual inaccuracies in the Court’s Order which were relied upon in reaching its conclusion, the undersigned respectfully asks that the Court grant an additional hearing in order to rule on the actual facts in evidence.

Frankly I find the whole motion an insult to Judge Perry. You can tell by looking at Mason he thinks he is such a hot shot lawyer and he HATES to lose. But for him to try to say that Judge Perry was biased is really pushing it. There is no way JP will rule in their favor
and its a stupid motion.
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Post by Lilone on Fri Mar 25, 2011 11:34 am

Do you remember that back in early 2009 it was J. Cheney Mason who represented Dominic Casey, after the huge deal over the videos turned over by Jim Hoover? I don't think Dominic ever gave a depo, did he?

Awhile back, Mason told the court that he had never been accused of contempt, and do you remember Judge Perry's reaction? I believe he pissed Mason off. I just can't believe that all the personal issues between them is having such an impact on this trial. That's why I'm wondering what the Bar will have to say about all this. I mean, there must be some limit to what they'll allow him to get away with, right?
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Post by Lilone on Fri Mar 25, 2011 11:39 am

I could pick that motion apart sentence by sentence, but the very first issue is whether the family was kept together or separated, and I recall that they established in the hearing that the written statements were taken about 20 minutes after police arrived, and that they were separated when they wrote their statements.

Personally, I've written witness statements for responding officers, and it happened pretty much that way. When they first arrived, we were all in the room together while the officers tried to get a handle on what the situation was. Then we were separated to write our statements. Officers helped with the wording, letting us know which info was helpful and which was worthless. I was not coerced, and I was satisfied with the finished product. It was my story, in my own words, and contained only pertinent information. So where's the beef?
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Post by artgal16 on Fri Mar 25, 2011 11:49 am

Why will the bar be involved? I think this is a motion to Perry to reconsider - in the motion he mentioned bias for LE but I dont think Cheney made a complaint to the Florida bar about Mason did he?
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ORLANDO, Fla. -- Judge Belvin Perry denied a motion from Casey Anthony's defense team Friday afternoon seeking a new hearing. The motion (read it) called Perry's court decision biased against Casey.

VIDEO REPORT: Perry Denies Defense Motion
MOTION: Claims Perry's Ruling Was Bias
BILL SHEAFFER: Analysis Of March 24 Hearing

Judge Perry didn't have much to say in his order Friday afternoon, simply denying the motion. However, he did write that "no other motions for rehearing shall be considered."

WFTV legal analyst Bill Sheaffer believes that only reason Casey's lawyer would make these kind of accusations at this time is that they are trying to bounce another judge or at least delay the trial while they try.

The defense is accusing Perry, who is the second judge to preside over the case, of being biased against Casey Anthony and being flat out wrong about the facts and the law.

Casey's lawyers didn't like his decision to allow the jury to hear the lies she told to investigators and to her family. Casey is scheduled to face trial in May for allegedly murdering her daughter Caylee and dumping the child's body in the woods near their house.

"The language they employed is very close to the language they employed when they tried to get Strickland off the case and succeeded. It's that type of language we're seeing all over again," Sheaffer told WFTV.

Here's how it could happen. Now that the judge has refused to rehear whether Casey's statements to law enforcement and her family should be thrown out, the defense might ask the judge to recuse himself, or step down.

If the judge were to say no to that too, the defense could ask a higher court to delay the trial while a decision is made about the judge.


The defense was successful in getting circuit judge Stan Strickland to recuse him self over his communications with a blogger.

"The defense gets a ruling they don’t like. What do they do? They attack the judge," Sheaffer said.

Sheaffer believes they might want a new judge or delay because things aren't going their way. The judge is demanding compliance with the rules of procedure, evidence and professional conduct.

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Bill Sheaffer of wftv.com says the defense has a snowballs chance in hell of getting JP off this case!

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I highly doubt JP isn't going anywhere. Bozo should not have rocked the boat w/Strickland. He didn't know what he was in for.

p.s. I posted the WFTV article here and also on the March "Case Against Casey" since I thought it applied to both threads.


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