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Post by Wrapitup on Wed Nov 30, 2011 4:20 pm

At the Very Least!!!!

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Post by Nama on Wed Nov 30, 2011 4:21 pm

Any takers on betting how long b4 she's pregnant with another baby?

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Post by artgal16 on Wed Nov 30, 2011 4:22 pm

I just read about a case where the mother suffocated her child in a bunch of clothes on the bed - she went out drinking and took the child and then came back home and passed out. The baby was left face down in a pile of clothes and suffocated! I have to find that case!
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Post by laga on Wed Nov 30, 2011 5:00 pm

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Deborah Bradley asked that Tuesday evenings candle light vigil, be the last. Candle vigils, held by neighbors, family, friends and concerned community members have been held outside the Irwin home weekly. Bradley, the mother of Lisa, asked that tonight be the last solemn event.

Yeah...Please quit reminding me that my baby is gone because of my neglect (or worse!) I just want to get on with my life...Please stop remembering that precious baby!! I mean, it's been almost 2 months...Time to move on, folks!! grrrr

Another thing--if they could arrest KC for neglect when Caylee went "missing", why can they not arrest this POS for it when she has admitted that she was passed out drunk when something happened to her child!?! It\\'s Not Fair


IMHO they should arrest her for child neglect.

I agree I agree I agree
3 counts of child neglect and child endangerment.
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Post by artgal16 on Wed Nov 30, 2011 5:46 pm

Im watching HLN they are talking about this psyhic and her drawing of an area that many volunteers are searching. It looks suspiciously like she just google mapped the area online and then drew a map to match it. Its a good way to get a lot of publicity and send a bunch of good people on a wild goose chase.
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Normal ..Baby Lisa Irwin Case -- Who is Psychic Stephanie Almaguer?

Post by Wrapitup on Wed Nov 30, 2011 6:00 pm

..By William Browning
.PostsWebsite .By William Browning | Yahoo! Contributor Network – Mon, Nov 28, 2011....

Stephanie Almaguer has made headlines for her proclamations regarding the baby Lisa Irwin case in Kansas City, Mo. She is a psychic medium living in the Dallas area and has caused a stir by stating where the body of the baby was allegedly placed.

Here are some facts revolving around Almaguer as explained by the media and in her own words.

Searches Conducted

KMBC reported Wednesday that volunteers were organizing a search for baby Lisa near a site of a former casino. Sam's Town used to be near Interstate 435 and Missouri Highway 210. The intersection is just a couple of miles away from the Irwin home where Lisa was last seen Oct. 4. KDAF in Dallas reported Sunday that Almaguer had a vision the night Lisa disappeared. Her vision and drawings led volunteers to search the area Saturday. A police spokesperson said they will investigate a well near the site because authorities have "no reason not to search it."

Blog Posts

Almaguer drew sketches and posted them on her blog Nov. 11. A week later, interested parties in the Kansas City area emailed her what the area looks like from the air with mapping programs. Then volunteers searched the abandoned area near the major intersection.

Almaguer's interest in the case is semi-professional. She is a member of the Psychic Crime Fighter network. Her interest was piqued as soon as the case broke Oct. 4 . She saw that somehow drugs or alcohol might have been involved and that someone was possibly seeking revenge and trying to cover up someone's mess regarding to what happened to the baby.

Ten days later, Almaguer summarized her take on the case with a blog post.

"I believe Lisa was found, deceased in the bathtub about 10:30.... She was removed, placed on the carpet where the dog picked up her scent and 'someone' tried to revive her, unsuccessfully," Almaguer wrote .

Almaguer also goes on to say the burning trash dumpster was an attempt to burn Lisa's clothes to remove evidence. She also believes the man holding the baby while walking at 12:15 a.m. may have been disposing of the body while he returned from finishing his job at around 2:30 a.m.

Almaguer's Background

The self-proclaimed psychic is a school security officer on medical leave. She is married with children. Almaguer has used many blog posts to defend her visions and her work against many people who have threatened her family and her children.

Almaguer claims to have never been to the Kansas City area and KCTV reports she is one of a handful of psychics supposedly working on the case. No leads have produced baby Lisa's whereabouts at this point.

William Browning, a lifelong Missouri resident, writes about local and state issues for the Yahoo! Contributor Network. Born in St. Louis, Browning earned his bachelor's degree in English from the University of Missouri. He currently resides in Branson.

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Post by Guest on Wed Nov 30, 2011 6:15 pm

BJ wrote:Any takers on betting how long b4 she's pregnant with another baby?

6 months or less
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Normal Missing Baby Lisa Irwin: Three Vital Points in the Case

Post by Wrapitup on Wed Nov 30, 2011 6:33 pm

November 30, 2011 8:27 AM EST

Eight weeks have gone since the one-year-old Kansas City girl, Lisa Irwin, has been missing. Command post has been closed and candles vigil for the safety of baby has also come to an end, but there is no trace of the toddler.

With the days passing, the case is also heading towards a dead end, and many people speculate that the case might hit the wall if the situation remains the same.

After the disappearance of the baby, there were thousands of leads in the case and the police interrogated many people. But, as time goes by, the leads have started drying up, and people in the sphere of "suspicion" also got cleared after they were questioned.

Retired police officers, private investigators, and even psychics have come forward with ideas to find the baby, but no information turned into a clue which could help in solving the case.

As the case is taking too long to be solved, here are three vital points which can help investigators find out the whereabouts of the toddler.

After Saturday's search at the Old Sam Town's Casino, there is only one ray of hope in case, and that is the well found at the site. Though approximately 25 volunteers returned without finding anything, the police believe that an old well in the locality needs to be searched.

"We are exploring the possibility of searching it soon. Numerous resources are needed to get it done, but no reason not to search it," Kansas City Police spokesman Steve Young was quoted as saying by Examiner.com.

A Dallas-based psychic had vision that the girl was killed accidently in her house, and the vision supports Cadaver dogs' finding when they hit onto the scent of a dead body on the floor next to Deborah Bradley's bed.

The Interviews

The denial for interviews by Lisa's parents, Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin, also raises suspicion in many minds - Why the parents are not cooperative with the investigators if they want their daughter's safe come back.

Bradley and Irwin restricted investigators from interviewing Lisa's step-brothers too, saying that the questioning would not be appropriate for the kids.

End of Prayer Vigil

The third and the most recent point is Bradley's request to end the candle vigils being held in front of her house. People say that being a mom, Bradley would have wanted the prayers for the safety of her kid.

"Continuing to have them (vigils) here in the yard is just overwhelming for them," said Jeremy Irwin's father Rick Irwin.

But is it the step to keep the two kids in the house away from the current atmosphere or to stop the increase in the attention the case is getting day by day?

Investigators might find something in the well, but if they don't, they should come back to the starting point of the case (interrogating Lisa's parents) and they might hit the head of this case.

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Post by raine1953 on Wed Nov 30, 2011 9:16 pm

Psychic: Baby Lisa drowned and buried near family home

KANSAS CITY, MISSOURI-- A potential break in the case of missing baby Lisa Irwin came from an unlikely source, Texas based psychic Stephanie Almaguer.

According to Almaguer, who has worked with law enforcement officials in a number of high profile missing persons cases, she has received visions that offer her insight on what really happened to baby Lisa on the night she went missing from her parents home this past October.
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Post by Slys Hunny on Wed Nov 30, 2011 10:17 pm

WTF just saw in the news they dint want people to hold vigils in front of the house anymore???? I hate these people more everyday!!!
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Post by Wrapitup on Thu Dec 01, 2011 5:15 pm

Missing Baby Lisa Irwin Timeline: The Mysteries of the Past 2 Months

By Laura Matthews | December 1, 2011 11:32 AM EST

It has been approximately two months since Missouri baby Lisa Irwin has been missing. Now the family of the Northland infant on Tuesday, asked for an end to the vigils outside their home.

The infant's disappearance has not only rocked her community, but the nation also.

Lisa Irwin has been missing since Oct. 4 and police still have no suspects or solid leads. A command post set up for police and FBI agents to investigate the disappearance of the missing infant has since been shut down.

The people gathered outside the home have been praying for the infant's safe return. However, John Picerno, an attorney for Lisa's parents, Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin, told The Kansas City Star that the family will continue private vigils.

But Edith Fine-Duskin, the leader of the group called Lisa's Angels, told the Kansas City paper that it hurts that the family no longer wants the vigil held outside their home.

"It is like she (Deborah Bradley) is pushing us all away," Fine-Duskin told the paper, noting that she still believes Lisa Irwin is alive.

Police have reported no new developments in the case and have no suspects. They also have no clue what happened to the infant, despite receiving hundreds of leads.

Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin have told police that their infant daughter has been missing since Oct. 4 and that she was possibly abducted from her crib during the early morning hours.

The infant's parents told authorities that they found out she was missing when the father returned home from working the night shift.

Texas-based psychic Stephanie Almaguer has said she received visions that have led her to believe the infant drowned in the family's bathtub and was placed on the parents' bedroom floor as they were trying to revive her, according to Examiner.com.

That report also noted that Almaguer believes that baby Lisa Irwin was placed in a shallow grave near the family home after attempts to revive her failed.

"She's in a hole, and it was a hole that carried water," Almaguer said, as reported by Examiner.com.

Police have led a search of Baby Lisa Irwin's parents' home and a cadaver dog detected a deceased-human smell in the bedroom.

According to a police affidavit filed in a Kansas City court, the dog was searching for evidence when it "indicated a positive 'hit' for the scent of a deceased human in an area of the floor of [her parents'] bedroom near the bed."

Here are the events that occurred over the past two months.

- Oct. 4: The baby was reported missing. Authorities found out that there was a fire in the dumpster near the Irwin-Bradley home around 2 a.m. that day. An amber alert was turned on and a local landfill searched.

- Oct. 5: Baby Lisa Irwin's plead for her safe return. Amber alert called off and detectives continue search.

- Oct. 6: Police said the parents were no longer cooperating.

- Oct. 7: Landfill searched a second time. Deborah Bradley said she took and failed a lie detector test. Bradley and Irwin went on "Today" show to discuss case.

- Oct. 8: Baby Lisa Irwin's parents reportedly met with police for the last time.

- Oct. 9: Police returned the Irwin-Bradley home to re-enact what possibly went on during the abduction. Lisa's aunt, Ashley Irwin, helped with the search by handing out flyers at the Kansas Speedway NASCAR Sprint Cup race.

- Oct. 11: Authorities searched a drainage ditch near the family's home.

- Oct. 12: Surveillance video of Deborah Bradley purchasing a box of wine and other products on Oct. 3 was released. New York private investigator Bill Stanton announces that a wealthy private benefactor hired him to work with the baby's parents on an independent investigation into the case.

- Oct. 13: Missouri Gov. Jay Nixon announced a one-day deployment order of 25 National Guardsmen to help with the search for the missing toddler.

- Oct. 14 the anonymous donor offered a $100,000 reward for Baby Lisa's return.

- Oct. 16: The National Guard joined in the search for Baby Lisa Irwin.

- Oct. 17: Deborah Bradley announced on national TV that she had been drinking five to 10 glasses of wine the night her baby went missing and was drunk. She admitted to being the last person to see the baby alive because she put the infant to bed. New York defense attorney Joe Tacopina hired. FBI cadaver dog was brought in on this day and detected the smell of deceased human decomposition in an area on the parent's bedroom floor near the bed. Tacopina, claimed cadaver dog hits meant nothing.

- Oct. 18: No-fly zones were issued in their search areas. Reports began emerging about Deborah's inconsistent story.

- Oct 19 - 20: Police requested and executed search warrant at Lisa Irwin's parents' home. They blocked off the area looking for DNA evidence and left with brown papers bags containing the baby's clothes and toys.

- On Oct. 21, Mike Thompson went on national TV alleging he saw a man with a baby the night Baby Lisa went missing. He is one of three eyewitnesses who claimed the saw a mystery man.

- Oct. 23: ABC News releases footage showing mystery man leaving a wooden area near the baby's parents' home.

- Oct. 24: Other eyewitnesses were shown photos in order to identify the mystery man Thompson claimed he saw but no of them recognized the man.

- Oct. 26: Family agreed child specialists can interview the infant's half-siblings.

- Oct. 28: Tacopina called of the interviews and announced he'd fired local attorney Cyndy Short.

- Oct. 29: Reports of a mystery call made from Deborah Bradley's cellphone to the cellphone of Megan Wright, someone Deborah Bradley said she never knew. However, sources told Fox News that the attempted call to Wright happened hours before the baby was discovered missing.

- Nov. 1 -2: Tacopina said Kansas City lawyer John Picerno will join the team. Picerno added to the parents' legal team on Nov. 2.

- Nov. 5: Announcement of potential suspect profile was submitted to police by Gil Abeyta's team. Examiner.com reported that Abeyta went to Kansas City soon after the infant went missing in order to help the family.

- Nov. 9: Megan Wright, who denied receiving a 50-second call from Deborah Bradley, said she believes the call was made at 8:30 p.m. the night the baby disappeared. Sources told Fox News that Wright got the call at 11:57 p.m., which is about 20 minutes before a neighbor reportedly seeing a bald man with a baby near Lisa's house. Wright's ex-boyfriend, who is known as "Jersey," is reportedly bald and a handyman, who goes from door-to-door looking for work.

- Nov. 11: Baby Lisa Irwin turns 1 year old. Her brothers were interview the evening before her birthday, which was publicly celebrated.

- Nov. 13: Reports surfaced that there is a custody battle over Jeremy Irwin's 8-year-old son.

- Nov. 15: Jeremy Irwin's 8-year-old son's mother reportedly filed for custody of the child.

- Nov. 18: The parents' local attorney, John Picerno, alleged that the mother of a teenage girl told him that the girl's boyfriend said he heard that local handyman 'Jersey' was bragging that he was paid $300 to steal Baby Lisa Irwin.

- Nov. 23: Authorities in Kansas City Shut down a command post where police and FBI agents were working the missing baby case after leads begin to dwindle and other cases demanded attention. The personnel have returned to their offices, the Kansas City Star reported. Approximately eight detectives are still assigned to Baby Lisa Irwin's case.

- Nov. 24: Search for the infant continues after a tip from a Texas-based psychic Stephanie Almaguer said she has had visions that the baby Lisa Irwin was accidentally killed and her body dumped near the former casino near Interstate 435 and Missouri Highway 210. The site is near Irwin's home.

Nov. 29: Family asked for an ending to the vigil outside their home.

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Post by artgal16 on Thu Dec 01, 2011 5:39 pm

Lisa Irwin is dead - so I guess without a body all these murderers of children can walk free - what a horrible system
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Post by Wrapitup on Thu Dec 01, 2011 6:42 pm

Amen, Art!! Makes me sick and livid!!

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Post by Nama on Fri Dec 02, 2011 2:34 pm

The custody battle has been going on in the background while volunteers continue to search for the missing baby. The custody hearing in the case has been delayed until December 7th, according to WPTV. Jeremy Irwin did not appear in court on Tuesday as scheduled to fight for custody of his son.
However, don't think that the father of Lisa Irwin will give up that easily. According to his attorney, Jeremy plans to fight the custody battle because the child's biological mother, Rasleen Raim, has not played a role in the child's life for over six years.

His attorney, however, has not explained why Irwin missed his court date. The family is reportedly devastated over the many vigils local community members are putting together, but could this stress have caused him to forget his court date? Is he so caught up in finding Lisa Irwin that he forgot about his other child, who may be removed from the home?

Or what else is going on with the Irwin family behind the scenes? Keep an eye out on December 7th, when Irwin is expected in court.

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Post by artgal16 on Fri Dec 02, 2011 2:53 pm

They are devastated over the vigils? Well because I consider Debbie to be guilty, I can see why they might be devastated as Im sure they all wish it would just go away, but its rather odd that they would report this fact.
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Post by Wrapitup on Fri Dec 02, 2011 6:13 pm

Lisa Irwin Case: Psychics and Police Make Predictions
December 02, 2011 10:45 AM EST

More and more psychics are sharing their visions in the case of Lisa Irwin, the missing little girl from Kansas. One psychic shared a vision that she saw Lisa in the bottom of a well. Now other psychics and police investigators are weighing in on the case and sharing what they think happened to the little missing girl.

One of those speaking out about his predictions is the retired Kansas City Police sergeant, Dave Bernard. He has been following the case since it started and he doesn't have positive predictions for the little girl. He doubts she is still alive after being missing for almost two months. "You know, at this stage, I don't know. I doubt it. I doubt that she's still alive," he shared with KMBC News.

Another person speaking out on the case, according to IB Times, is Ron Rugan. He is a Kansas City private investigator, but he is focusing on items rather than Lisa Irwin herself. He suggests the cell phone drama between Deborah Bradley and Megan Wright could unlock more clues, just waiting to be discovered. It does seem like the police gave up rather quickly in the mobile phone matter, so perhaps they know something they are not sharing.

"You're not going to pocket dial some random phone number by accident that happens to be 1.1 miles away from the crime scene," Rogan theorized on the Lisa Irwin case. Rogan has reached out to the man who used Wright's phone that night as part of his own investigation, according to his personal blog posts, but he has yet to hear back.

The most questionable individual who has shared her opinions about Lisa Irwin is Stephanie Almaguer. She believes that the baby accidentally died in her home and was dumped near the casino that was searched on Saturday. In a recent vision of hers; "(Lisa Irwin's father), Jeremy Irwin, in an attempt to pump the water out of her body kept the body on the floor near the bed; a fact that the investigating team's cadaver dog confirmed." However, Jeremy Irwin claims he was at work while the child went missing, so this causes even more inaccuracies in the case.

What do you think happen? Who do you believe?

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Post by Nama on Fri Dec 02, 2011 9:30 pm

America's Most Wanted will feature the case of missing baby Lisa Irwin Friday night.

The show is hosted by John Walsh, whose son was abducted from a department store and killed in 1981. Walsh has turned his tragedy into a tireless cause to help other parents find their missing children and solve other crimes.

Lisa's parents, Jeremy Irwin and Debbie Bradley, reported to police around 4 a.m. Oct. 4 that their then 10-month-old daughter had been abducted from her Northland home while she was sleeping.

The couple has not spoken with police or the local media since the first week that their daughter went missing. Bradley has said she expects to be arrested in connection with her daughter's disappearance, but police have identified no suspects.

Kansas City Police have investigated more than 1,000 tips but the case has stalled and the command center was recently dismantled.

Walsh has conducted several interviews with the national media about the search for Lisa, including Inside Edition. He urged Irwin and Bradley to work with the authorities.

"They should cooperate with police fully. They should do all the media they can and they should remember one thing - if they had nothing to do with their daughter's disappearance, they need to be the face of baby Lisa," Walsh told Inside Edition, which is carried on KCTV5.

Walsh said this week that parents have the right to get an attorney, but should do everything they can to find their missing baby including running the search effort from their home. He has thrown veiled criticism toward Irwin and Bradley for not doing more to find their missing child.

"You keep searching if you have nothing to do with the disappearance of your child. You are there every day at the police station saying what can I do to get this baby back," Walsh said.

America's Most Wanted is now airing on Lifetime and is celebrating its 25th season.

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Post by Wrapitup on Sat Dec 03, 2011 10:41 am

Missing Baby Lisa Irwin: AMW's John Walsh Wants Toddler's Parents to Cooperate with Police

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December 3, 2011 9:52 AM EST

The search in the case of missing baby Lisa Irwin has picked up pace after the Dallas-based psychic's second vision, and it became more intense as the case was featured in "America's Most Wanted" Friday night.

Lisa Irwin was reportedly kidnapped from her home in Kansas City, Mo.

The show, hosted by John Walsh, has solved many criminal cases, including missing person cases.

Walsh, in an interview with KCTV5, ridiculed Lisa's parents, Jeremy Irwin and Debbie Breadley, for not cooperating with investigators. He urged them to work with the authorities to find their daughter.

"They should cooperate with police fully. They should do all the media they can and they should remember one thing - if they had nothing to do with their daughter's disappearance, they need to be the face of baby Lisa," said Walsh during the interview.

"You keep searching if you have nothing to do with the disappearance of your child. You are there every day at the police station saying what can I do to get this baby back," Walsh said.

Lisa was found missing Oct. 4 when her father returned from work at 4 a.m. The police focused much on "homeless" Johny Tanko who worked in the Irwin family's neighborhood. However, in mid-October, they said that Tanko had nothing to do with the vanishing of the baby.

An award of $100,000 has been announced by an anonymous donor for the safe return of Baby Lisa.

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Post by raine1953 on Sun Dec 04, 2011 4:07 am

Lisa Irwin Update — Picerno Talks about 'America's Most Wanted'
December 04, 2011 01:35 AM EST

Lisa Irwin remains missing, but last night America's Most Wanted aired the missing infant's story in hopes of publicizing her case further. Today, the attorney of Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin addressed the segment on NBC Action News.

John Picerno, the Kansas City attorney for Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin, said the following on the Lisa Irwin episode of America's Most Wanted:

"I think any publicity in terms of finding Lisa is going to benefit us one way or another. The more people that see and view Lisa and see what she looks like, the better chance we are going to have in finding her."

The segment that aired last night more-or-less recapped the events that have been reported since October 4, 2011—the day the 1-year-old child was reported missing, when she was 10 months old. It's now December, and while there are no official updates in the baby's case, there must certainly be something going on behind-the-scenes.

What happened to Lisa Irwin?

Since day one, the disappearance of the cute Kansas City baby has been clouded with suspicion. Jeremy Irwin, unlike his wife, has managed to escape the scrutiny of the public and media, but his ex-wife doesn't seem to care. The father of the missing kid may be losing custody of one of his sons, and would it really be a bad thing? Deborah Bradley was left to care for Lisa Irwin and the two sons of Jeremy Irwin. Instead of being a responsible guardian, she chose to drink to the point of blacking out. Whether the child was truly abducted or not, she was not being responsible. She was being negligent.

The disappearance of this child seems to be unsolved and growing cold. Hopefully it doesn't remain this way for long.
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Post by raine1953 on Sun Dec 04, 2011 4:32 am

Here is the link to AMW and Lisa Irwin. For the life of me I cannot find the episode (aired Friday night), maybe someone else will have better luck!
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Post by Nama on Sun Dec 04, 2011 4:57 am

Full shows of AMW don't air on line.

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Post by Wrapitup on Sun Dec 04, 2011 3:37 pm

Baby Lisa: Psychic Stephanie Amalguer pleads attacks stop against her kids

December 4, 2011

KANSAS CITY, Missouri (Isabelle Zehnder reporting) -- Self-proclaimed psychic Stephanie Amalguer is pleading for people to stop attacking her children who she admits assist in her psychic visions in missing persons’ cases, including the case of missing Missouri baby Lisa Irwin.

Stephanie believes Baby Lisa drowned in an accident and that her body was placed in a hole with water. “She’s in a hole, and it was a hole that carried water,” Stephanie said.

The then 10-month-old baby's parents, Deborah Bradley, 25, and Jeremy Irwin, 30, say their baby was abducted from her crib between the hours of 6:40 p.m. Oct. 3 and 3:45 a.m. Oct. 4. Two months later, Baby Lisa remains missing.

Visions Stephanie posted on her blog about the Baby Lisa case resulted in online attacks against her and her children, as well as personsal attacks to her children in their local community.

The public learned Stephanie’s children were involved in her readings because she brought her son, Trevor, on the Nancy Grace Show last week.

Stephanie said her children, a daughter and son, provide her with drawings and writings of their visions. She said she doesn’t post the children’s visions online and only uses them when creating her drawings and writings which she does share on her blog.

Stephanie wrote on Wednesday,
“If anyone watched HLN / CNN … & Fox News – you now know … My children have this gift also ...” She explains about how she gives them a sheet of paper so they can “share their drawings, readings, etc.”

“But I never post anywhere, their drawings, readings, etc. … And I’m sure most of you know why!”


Stephanie has been publicly attacked and humiliated by people leaving comments to her blog, various forums, Facebook, and other sites. Something that doesn't set well with her son who is at an age where he'll want to fight back.

Stephanie has repeatedly tried to defend herself and her children online, which seemed to make matters worse.

She explained that all of the scrutiny and abusive behavior upset her son, Trevor, and that when Nancy Grace asked her to come on the show she reluctantly agreed and decided to bring her son on the show.

“He [Trevor] asked me if he could please go with me, and let EVERYONE know – I wasn’t ‘crazy or lying’ … I told him it didn’t matter and I didn’t think it was a good idea … But he was adamant … So I decided it was OK … right or wrong decision, it’s done.”

She pleaded for haters to comment elsewhere, not on her blog, and asked the public to leave her minor son out of this.

“He is very intelligent, and knows so much for his age …," Stephanie said. "He also is a very honest individual and believes in so many things, even beyond his ability … probably due to his high intelligence.”

Stephanie explains her son was nervous on the show but overall he did what he thought was right.

“Some will be happy for this – Some will not … But it is what it is & he felt the need to be honest & tell everyone re: his involvement … I thought it was brave of him, I only pray he doesn’t regret it later."

Last Sunday evening Websleuths Blogtalk Radio show host Tricia Griffith asked Levi Page, who has followed Baby Lisa’s case and who has his own show The Levi Page Show, to discuss what he knows about Stephanie.

Read: Was psychic Stephanie Almageur wrongly accused of fraud, stealing visions? [Coming soon].

Psychics and missing persons cases

Physics and those proclaiming to have "visions" or "dreams" about missing persons have been heavily scrutinized because law enforcement and family members whose loved ones are or have been missing say they don't help, that they haven't found a missing person, and that they only serve to interfere in investigations, raise family members hopes only to dash them.

Familiy members say they've spent thousands of dollars only to have their hopes shattered and their loved ones not found. Some parents say they've been told their loved one is dead and provided detailed descriptions of how they died which is very painful to hear. Especially since they are not successful in finding their loved one.

The topic of missing persons and the involvement of psychics in them remains very controversial because psychics strongly believe what they see in their visions and dreams are real.

They do, however, admit that what they see hardly ever leads to missing loved ones. Some say they believe they may hold little pieces of a bigger puzzle.

Stephanie said in her case, she's had zero percent luck in finding missing persons. But, she said, that's not going to stop her from sharing what she sees in the hope that it might help bring someone home.

Baby Lisa Irwin was reported missing Oct. 4, 2011, at around 4 a.m. Her parents, Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin, say she was abducted from her crib. Their repeated inconsistent stories and refusal to cooperate with police have placed them under a cloud of suspicion by police and the public.

An anonymous donor has offered a $100,000 reward for the safe return of Baby Lisa or for information that leads to a conviction of her abductor.

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Lisa Irwin Update — Picerno Talks about 'America's Most Wanted'
December 04, 2011 01:35 AM EST

Lisa Irwin remains missing, but last night America's Most Wanted aired the missing infant's story in hopes of publicizing her case further. Today, the attorney of Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin addressed the segment on NBC Action News.

John Picerno, the Kansas City attorney for Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin, said the following on the Lisa Irwin episode of America's Most Wanted:

"I think any publicity in terms of finding Lisa is going to benefit us one way or another. The more people that see and view Lisa and see what she looks like, the better chance we are going to have in finding her."
The segment that aired last night more-or-less recapped the events that have been reported since October 4, 2011—the day the 1-year-old child was reported missing, when she was 10 months old. It's now December, and while there are no official updates in the baby's case, there must certainly be something going on behind-the-scenes.

What happened to Lisa Irwin?

Since day one, the disappearance of the cute Kansas City baby has been clouded with suspicion. Jeremy Irwin, unlike his wife, has managed to escape the scrutiny of the public and media, but his ex-wife doesn't seem to care. The father of the missing kid may be losing custody of one of his sons, and would it really be a bad thing? Deborah Bradley was left to care for Lisa Irwin and the two sons of Jeremy Irwin. Instead of being a responsible guardian, she chose to drink to the point of blacking out. Whether the child was truly abducted or not, she was not being responsible. She was being negligent.

The disappearance of this child seems to be unsolved and growing cold. Hopefully it doesn't remain this way for long.

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Mother who knows pain of an unsolved case tirelessly helps other causes
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The Lisa Irwin case figures prominent-ly on Edith Fine-Duskin’s car. She has handed out fliers, scoured woods and attended vigils for the missing baby.

The blue Mustang’s throaty rumble announces her arrival.

But it’s the hand-painted letters covering her car that announce Edith Fine-Duskin’s mission: “Bring Baby Lisa Home.”

“I will find that child,” the 44-year-old Kansas City woman asserts. “When I start something, I don’t stop.”

Fine-Duskin’s nervous energy is apparent in how she moves and talks, often unable to complete one rapid-fire sentence before launching into another one.

Missing child cases in particular draw her to action. Pamela Butler, Kara Kopetsky, Kelsey Smith and Erica Green are among the young victims whose cases she has embraced.

Today that energy is focused on Lisa Irwin. Virtually every day since the 10-month-old’s parents reported Lisa missing from her Northland home two months ago, Fine-Duskin has handed out fliers, scoured woods with other volunteers and organized regular prayer vigils in front of the family’s home.

She can’t even begin to speculate on how many hours she has devoted to the cause. And although she says she will honor the family’s recent request to quit holding those vigils outside their house, she is not deterred from seeking answers and hopefully the baby’s safe return.

“Lisa deserves justice,” Fine-Duskin said.

It was another case where justice was not done that helps explain her motivation to seek it today.

The victim was 11 years old. Her name was Windy Fine. She was Fine-Duskin’s daughter.

“I want to keep going because I know my daughter would want me to,” she says.

When Windy was 8 years old, a decade before Lisa Irwin’s case exploded into the headlines and became a rich topic for network television talking heads, Windy was touched by the sad story of another little Kansas City girl who became known as Precious Doe.

Windy asked her mother what they could do to help, and together they became immersed in the case of the unknown child, decapitated and dumped in a wooded area near Swope Park.

They took part in the gruesome search for the girl’s missing head. Later, after someone found it, they became involved in the group dedicated to learning who Precious Doe was and who would do something so horrible.

“We wanted to know who that poor baby was,” Fine-Duskin said.

Fine-Duskin and the rest of the world eventually got answers: Erica Green, killed by her mother’s live-in boyfriend. He and Erica’s mother now reside in prison.

But the revelation came too late for Windy.

On Oct. 11, 2003, while riding in a car with her mother and brother, she was killed by a hit-and-run driver who never has been caught.

Alvin Brooks, founder of the Ad Hoc Group Against Crime, first met Fine-Duskin and her children, Windy and Dustin, during the Precious Doe investigation. In Fine-Duskin’s time of grief, Ad-Hoc reached out to her with a prayer vigil at the Kansas City site where Windy died.

Brooks said he was struck by how committed Fine-Duskin was to the effort to learn Precious Doe’s identity.

“I think she’s a good-hearted person,” Brooks said. “She’s very empathetic and sympathetic and knows the pain of losing a child.”

Cherri West, too, understands that pain.

A stranger kidnapped her daughter, Pamela Butler, from in front of her Kansas City, Kan., home in 1999 and killed her.

A few years later, around the time of the Precious Doe case and during the court proceedings for the man accused of killing Pamela, Fine-Duskin and her children showed up at West’s home.

“They said they wanted to do something for Pamela,” West recalls.

They made a large banner with Pamela’s name on it. West still has it today.

Fine-Duskin attended court hearings with West and offered her support.

“It meant a lot to me,” West said.

West said she “took a special liking to Windy,” and when the girl died, West in turn helped Fine-Duskin through her ordeal.

They have remained friends ever since.

“When something like that happens, you get a lot of support from a lot of people,” West said. “But very few of them stick around. Edith is one of them.”

Since then, Fine-Duskin has been drawn to other high-profile cases in the area.

She was one of hundreds who volunteered to search for Kelsey Smith when the Johnson County teenager was abducted in 2007.

When authorities found Kelsey’s body several days later in southern Jackson County, Fine-Duskin was distributing fliers. A newspaper reporter quoted her at the time saying, “This world ain’t right.”

Smith’s parents don’t recall if they met Fine-Duskin, but they said they were thankful for everyone who helped search for their daughter.

“It was a tremendous help and comfort to us as a family,” said Kelsey’s mother, Missey Smith.

Since Lisa Irwin vanished Oct. 4, Fine-Duskin has spent countless hours looking for the little girl. She doesn’t work full time, and the search has become her main focus.

Her husband, Van Duskin, supports her efforts.

“I think what she’s doing is a good thing,” he said.

John Picerno, an attorney for Lisa’s parents, said they are appreciative of anyone who wants to help find their daughter.

But they felt the weekly prayer vigils had become “counterproductive” and hurt their efforts to bring a sense of normalcy to their two sons.

“They just don’t want to have that spectacle in their front yard,” Picerno said.

On Sunday, the two-month anniversary of Lisa’s disappearance, Fine-Duskin and about 15 others held a prayer vigil at Penguin Park in the Northland. She said she is organizing a “march for justice for baby Lisa” to be held Sunday, starting at the same park and going to the Irwin residence.

And though she is focused on Lisa’s case today, she won’t hesitate to help another parent facing a similar situation in the future.

“If there’s another missing child, there I go,” she said.

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Post by artgal16 on Tue Dec 06, 2011 10:49 am

I cant understand why they dont arrest Debbie for child neglect for being drunk and separate her from Jeremy
possible getting him to talk.
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I agree I agree I agree
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Post by artgal16 on Tue Dec 06, 2011 2:33 pm

This is why I doubt all psychics:
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Its always about the money
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Statement Analysis of today's news stories. Statement Analysis is the scientific study of words seeking to discern truth from deception. All parties are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. All opinions expressed here are personal opinions and represent only the author of these opinions and not any business, government agency, or individual person other than the author.

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Missing Baby Lisa Irwin: Psychic Accused of Eyeing Reward Money

The search for the 1-year-old baby Lisa Irwin, who has been missing from her Kansas City home since Oct 4, has taken a rather interesting turn after the self-proclaimed psychic, Stephanie Almaguer, from Texas claimed that she has had visions on the whereabouts of the baby.

Stephanie shared her visions about the missing baby in the form of drawings and sketches in her blog. After she published her visions on the blog, a group of volunteers set out in search of the location where the baby might have been buried, as suggested by the psychic. But their search yielded no result. Even Kansas Police said there was no reason not to search the place.

Stephanie, who has also worked on other missing persons' cases, has been criticized by the media as well as the public.

Last week, two online radio shows discussed Stephanie's involvement in many missing cases, including the Baby Lisa case. The hosts of the radio shows - Levi Page of the Levi Page Show and Tricia Griffith of the Websleuth Blogtalk Radio Show - accused Alamguer of being not credible. They accused her of injecting herself into high profile cases, and even stealing visions of another psychic in missing 5-year-old HaLeigh Cummings' case.

Levi said that in 2009, Stephanie inserted herself into the HaLeigh Cummings case and that she charged Marie Griffith, HaLeigh's maternal grandmother, and some friends of Marie's $600 for her plane ticket from Texas to Florida from where HaLeigh had gone missing.

He said that Stephanie had got frustrated when she could not find HaLeigh in Florida and even called the family asking them where they thought she should search. He added that a lot of people from Florida believed that Stephanie was after the reward money.

The psychic blogger gave a reply to the accusations in the form of an email. In a report published in examiner.com, Stephanie Almaguer reportedly wrote an email last week responding the comments on the radio talk shows.

Note that no editing has been done of the reply:

Levi is talking things out of context.

Although a typo it is interesting to note that Levi spoke about these things on his program.

I had been working, privately on HaLeigh Cummings for almost a year with Capt. DP [presumably Dominic Piscetello with the Putnam County Sheriff's Office] and MG [Marie Griffith, HaLeigh's grandmother] talked w/DP and asked him what I thought about me, etc,...after she'd read a few post, he said he believed in me, but nothing is a guarantee...
Note when "with" is used between people, it shows distance.BS!!!!! ~ Wrap

Anyway, she and I talked and she wanted me to at least come and search, if not for one day......Her friends, got together money to bring me there and back....I believe the RT fair was about $300, on cheaptickets.com I'm not sure. They paid for nothing more....I paid for my own food, drinks, up-keep, etc....

It was no vacation and I spent HOURS in the hot sun, searching - I was only there 2 1/2 days.....I don't inject myself into cases....I work on these cases because of a personal tragedy.....

seeing my [omitted for privacy] EVERYDAY for the past 7 years search online for [omitted] only 2 missing brother's is heartbreaking.....

I only try to use my abilities to help locate missing person's so that even if I help ONE family - not feel the way my [omitted for privacy] feels each day, then I did something good.

There will always be those who think your scamming, taking advantage of, etc....But that never has been and never will be my reasoning. I, as many Psychic Detectives, will NEVER claim "I CAN FIND YOUR MISSING LOVED ONE!" NEVER......... I can not promise anything like that!

All I can do it try....and it's very, very hard......and the outcome or probability of my success is near 0%....

but it doesn't mean that I should just give up. I do this in memory of my [omitted for privacy] - I do this to help. That's all.

My family in no means makes a 'good Living' - and live paycheck to paycheck as many others do. I can't afford to go and look for every missing person I may do a 'reading' on....That's why I started my own Blog.....

If someone comes across it, finds something interesting, good - use it...If not - leave it behind. Thats all.

If I become 'involved' with a case, it's because someone else involved me - rather than me 'injecting' myself. I have my own freedom and right to post on my own blog, just as many other's - including Levi and the others, about anything I want. doesn't mean I injected myself into anything.

I did contact Levi, believing he was a trusted source asking how to get in touch with Marie.....After a year of working on the case with DP, I wanted to at least meet her...(by email or telephone, not face to face) and let her know I was trying everything I could to find her granddaughter....

If she's honest, ask her...she'll tell you - Me going to Florida wasn't my idea.....

I'm sincere in what I do no matter what anyone thinks.

Morgan Harrington....I didn't solve her case.....Other's claim that I am claiming I 'found' her....No, again- twist of words....

I only described, even in miles, where I believed she could be found and described the area in detail.....

Her being found accidently by a farmer where I'd described, and the miles away i'd described also...That's all, really in her case.

I just want everyone to know that if they begin seeing my name in association with a case, it's because SOMEONE, for some reason, asked me to help further - perhaps after reading my blog...Idk....that's really all.

That's what happened with Lisa Irwin, bloggers even state this on my blog.

My local news did do an interview to set the record straight for me......whether it helped or not, Idk...but it doesn't matter. I know the truth and I know that when I lay my head down to sleep every night, I did what was right."
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Well, the psychic may or may not be after the reward money. The real issue is - Baby Lisa is still missing. And volunteers and the police are still looking for a clue that will lead them to the missing baby.

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Art, I went ahead and copied and pasted 'Statement Analysis' post...I had also listed this on the HaLeigh Cummings thread.

I do NOT think this girl did anything wrong. If Marie Asked her to visit, so be it. I think Marie Griffis and Crystal Sheffield will do Anything to find HaLeigh at this point.

IMHO, just because she did not find HaLeigh, Morgan, Lisa or any other child does NOT mean she is out for money. This is MOOOOOO.

And, I do NOT buy that saying, "with" to describe working WITH people shows "distance." IMHO, O'Reilly has a lot of gall and I don't normally buy what he is selling.

Again, MOO and triple MOO!

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Post by artgal16 on Tue Dec 06, 2011 4:02 pm

Wrap, I know he is full of hot air a lot of the time.
I just dont hold with psychics, I feel that if they really know something -then why doesnt something come of it. I feel generally they are out for money, or other things - even a free trip to another state has value.
If they truly "see" things they dont need to go anywhere they either can see or not see. Its all a trick anyone can do it. I used to read Greek coffee cups for people when we had our restaurant just for fun for the customers. Youre going to meet someone or take a trip, but people told me how "accurate" I was.
Like Houdini said - its a trick!
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Post by Wrapitup on Tue Dec 06, 2011 4:16 pm

I hear you loud and clear, Art..and for the Most Part, I agree; However, my point is that if Marie asked for Stephanie to come there and search, she is not a money hungry parasite IMHO. I do think she honestly wants to help.

That being said, have to tell you all of an experience I had back in the 90's. I was fit to be tied over some personal problems..looked in the newspaper in Albuquerque and sought out help of a psycic (male) had never met or heard of in my life. So, I went to see him. Before we started, as I was very leary, he told me: "concentrate on your date of birth". I did. LOL. He took out a piece of paper and with eyes closed, wrote Very slowly my birthday down. Now, I had just gotten there..had only given him my first name and was holding on to my purse. No way he could have known that but he did it, and I have that paper to this day. 95% of what he told me was Correct!!!


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Post by artgal16 on Tue Dec 06, 2011 4:20 pm

Wow, that is interesting, I cant say it was luck or even a trick - its strange for sure. Everyone has "flashes"
I have had them myself, but I always think they are based upon intuition more than anything else and maybe that is what intuition really is - a flash that comes thru loud and clear once in a while and we dont know how to harness it to do it all the time!
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Post by Wrapitup on Tue Dec 06, 2011 5:10 pm

I've had psychic abilities or vibes or whatever you want to call them since I can remember. I can tell you plenty of things I have thought that have come true..some are downright scary! I cannot do it "on demand". They just come to me when I am not even thinking about certain things and I know w/100% clarity they are true.

My youngest son, my mom and sister know this and they have come to learn to trust my vibes. Wish I was good enough to win the lottery!! :crystal ball: thinking

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Have Parents Given Up On Finding Baby Lisa, So Soon?Posted on December 6th, 2011 by Jan Barrett

On October 4, 2011 Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin say their 10 month old daughter, Lisa Irwin was taken from her crib and has not been seen since.

Unfortunately though due to the inconsistencies of their stories about what happened that day along with their refusal to cooperate with the investigation they have been placed under a suspicion by police and the public as well.

TV’s host and creator of America’s Most Wanted show, John Walsh featured a segment on Baby Lisa Friday. Walsh criticized the child’s parents for their lack of cooperation. “They should cooperate with police fully. They should do all the media they can and they should remember one thing — if they had nothing to do with their daughter’s disappearance, they need to be the face of baby Lisa,” said Walsh.

Since their daughter’s disappearance the parents have hired an attorney, they have stopped talking to the press, they have not been involved in any of the searches and just recently they have announced that they no longer want the prayer vigils held in their yard for their daughter.

Deborah and Jeremy say they just want to move on with their lives. They want their lives back to normal and they say the vigils are upsetting the baby’s half-brothers. Jeremy’s sister, Ashley Irwin, says that they have not asked that the vigil’s stop, they are only asking that they take place away from their home. She said, “The focus had totally shifted and it just wasn’t about Lisa anymore.”

Ashley Irwin also claims that gossip and troublemakers are to blame for this. She said, “Some of those involved in the prayer vigils created unnecessary drama.” This due to the fact that people are mad with Deborah because she is so suspicious in Baby Lisa’s disappearance, but who can blame the people. After all Deborah did fail a polygraph test and reports are that cadaver dogs indicated a positive scent of a deceased human on the floor near the parents bed in their home.

I have never had to experience losing a child in this manner, thank the good Lord, but I do know if I were in their shoes I would never ever give up looking for my child, especially after only two months.

Marc Klass’s 12 year old daughter Polly was also abducted from her bedroom. Marc begged the police to give him a polygraph test and to do whatever it took to clear his name right away so they could get back to finding his daughter, who sadly was later found murdered.

Marc had to ask on his blog, “How normal can life be if your home has been broken into, your infant has been kidnapped and remains missing and your other children are left to believe that an evil boogeyman who has already stolen your sister remains at large?”

It makes a huge difference to volunteers who assist in searches for missing children for the parents of the child to support them and assist in any way possible. Klass said, “Volunteers who are invested in the safe return of Baby Lisa need support from the family, not indifference or condemnation, yet they have been blown off by Jeremy and Deborah.”

Marc told Deborah and Jeremy, “If your lawyer and not your heart speak on your behalf then your sense of normal probably belongs in a courtroom, not a living room. If you can convince yourself that a return to normal means that there should be no more vigils on your front lawn then you are either in denial or something more sinister is afoot.”

I am in total agreement with Marc. Something is just not right here. How can any parent not want to be involved? How can they possibly be thinking of moving on and getting their lives back to normal this soon? How come Jeremy and Deborah are not at the police station fighting to get their daughter back?

An Anonymous donor has offered a reward in the amount of $100,000 for the safe return of Baby Lisa or for information that leads to a conviction of her abductor. Anyone with information about what happened to the child or anything about who took her are urged to call the TIP Hotline at (816) 474-TIPS.

I pray for this baby. I don’t have any idea if she is alive and well or if someone has done something awful to her but I pray she will be found soon. She is a precious child. Please God watch over her.

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Post by Wrapitup on Tue Dec 06, 2011 11:11 pm

Lisa Irwin Volunteers: Mother Should be Primary Suspect
December 06, 2011 02:45 PM EST

It appears that the volunteers looking for Lisa Irwin are more determined to solve the case than her own parents, including her mother, Deborah Bradley. A group of volunteers went out early last weekend to search a new area of property that had been linked to Lisa's disappearance through a psychic. Some of the volunteers find it extremely odd that Lisa's mother is not out helping find her daughter and asking that vigils be removed from her front lawn.

"The majority, if not all, of those people think that Deborah [Bradley] killed Lisa and dumped her body there," Lisa's aunt shared with Examiner.com. "Hence, why they were searching [at the closed casino] in the first place." It appears that Deborah's lack of cooperation with investigators and the public is making her the primary target, although it may not be intentional.

However, Lisa Irwin's aunt is coming to Deborah's defense in terms of the vigils held on the lawn where Lisa disappeared. "(Bradley) never asked that people disband the prayer group or that people stop praying - that's absurd" she shared with Examiner. It appears that she just wants the vigils to move away from her home. But even that is absurd for some.

"Nine times out of 10 most parents, especially in a case of a missing child would want people to be there, would want people to come and have a prayer vigil or what have you," former homicide detective Rod Wheeler explained to Fox News. "Those folks are saying, 'It's time to move on with our lives. Get out of my driveway, get out of my yard and move somewhere else.' What does that tell you I wonder?" If anything it just confirms for Wheeler that Kansas City Police are doing the right thing focusing in on the parents.

Sometimes actions speak louder than words, but when no official statements or 'words' are being issued, people are judging solely on the actions of people. And Lisa Irwin's parents are not doing a good job in keeping up their innocent image. It appears that they are judged for everything they do - and don't do - in her disappearance.

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Post by HippyChick2 on Wed Dec 07, 2011 8:23 pm

I can understand them wanting the vigils moved somewhere besides their front yard. The constant reminder, which they probably could do without (whether they are guilty of anything or not) plus, if they are not religious it could be very annoying, I imagine.
I still think the mom is guilty of something. If not, she is the most unfortunate person ever that the night she gets drunk someone comes in the house and steals her baby, also a coincidence I suppose it's the night her husband is working overnight.....
There's always more than this than meets the eye, ya know? Like Haleigh still being "un-found", and nobody's talking.
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Post by Wrapitup on Wed Dec 07, 2011 8:37 pm

If that were my child or grandchild, I would Want the vigils in my front yard, back yard and shouting it from the roof.

You cracked me up with the "most unfortunate person ever". LOL.

And, our dear little HaLeigh. No one will Ever talk. They are in prison for drugs and when they get out, the last thing on their minds w/be HaLeigh...who would be a grown, young, beautiful woman. So Sad!!

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Post by Wrapitup on Thu Dec 08, 2011 9:34 am

Missing baby Lisa Irwin family custody battle gag order likely, Jeremy Irwin's lawyer says

Posted: 7:00 AM
Russ Ptacek, nbcactionnews.com

KANSAS CITY, Mo. - An attorney for the family in the Baby Lisa case said he has agreed to a gag order in the custody battle over one of the missing infant’s brothers.

“We stipulated to the gag order as we have no interest in discussing publicly the custody of a minor child," said John Anthony Picerno, representing Baby Lisa’s father.

Jeremy Irwin and Rasleen Raim, a former girlfriend, are the parents of Lisa Irwin’s 8-year-old brother.

Last month, Raim’s attorney, Dorothy L. Savory, issued a news release saying she had filed emergency custody and visitation motions because of the mother’s concerns over the child's “safety, comfort and peace of mind.”

Before agreeing to the gag order, Picerno called the mother a “dead beat mom,” saying she had not made previous efforts to visit the child and had not paid child support.

A court appointed advocate for the child filed for the gag order to prevent the two sides from discussing the case in the media.

Because the case involves a minor, it was unclear whether the court had made a final ruling.

The attorney for the mother didn’t appear at last week’s hearing, and Wednesday, could not be reached to determine whether she has agreed to the gag order request.

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Post by Wrapitup on Sat Dec 10, 2011 12:40 am

Lisa Irwin Psychic Comments Attract Attention
December 09, 2011 12:40 PM EST

The Lisa Irwin case has attracted a variety of people who are gripped by the cute little baby's disappearance. The child has been missing for two months now and psychic commentary has been keeping the story afloat in the media. Still, it seems that there are mixed feelings among many about psychics in missing persons investigations.

When Stephanie Almaguer entered the media spotlight, it was over a premonition that Lisa Irwin had been accidentally killed in the home and then buried. That was changed to being put in a well. Since this woman went public the media has been all over her, and it's apparently something she's enjoying. That's because she went ahead and agreed to the "Million Dollar Psychic Challenge" run by The James Randi Educational Foundation (JREF). This is a pretty ridiculous challenge that attempts to call out people with believed ESP abilities as a means to troll them more than anything. Stephanie Almaguer agreed to the challenge with zeal.

"Fine. I'm submitting for that challenge. That being said, win or lose, I don't think anyone - even the greatest, would ever win, and not because they have no ability, but for different reasons - which I will just keep to myself. But why not go for it?" She said.

It should be noted that Stephanie Almaguer's vision of Lisa Irwin being in a well, or on the old Casino property in KC didn't pan out. Searches turned up inconclusive. Now could there be any result from Carla Baron's recent comment about missing baby Lisa possibly being alive?

Psychics in missing cases

The JREF is incorrect when they state that there is no documented cases of a "psychic" helping in solving a criminal case. Although it is true that psychics don't alone solve crimes. There are plenty of documented cases where psychic profilers helped in locating items and other bits of evidence in different cases. So the JREF statement making those claims are simply misleading. So, it seems that these people are just as untrustworthy as they claim all "psychics" to be. Why make misleading comments if your argument and point is truly solid and concrete? Although it is extremely-rarely documented, there are cases where psychics have helped positively in criminal cases. Period.

Psychics and the Lisa Irwin disappearance

Like many high profile disappearances that strike the emotions of people, the disappearance of baby Lisa has gripped many who believe to possess ESP. This doesn't mean all of them are truly psychic, nor does it mean that none of them are either. However, they're all criticized equally whether or not they've offered any valuable insight. It's sad, and it's quite counterproductive to the cases when people attack those who are only trying to help, even if they don't believe that the help is truly helpful.

Even in the case of Stephanie Almaguer, who has been accused of stealing the predictions of other psychics, she was simply trying to help. Her help may or may have not had ulterior motives, but that's beside the point. What's wrong with offering more areas to look for detectives, if these places haven't been searched? Had investigators not searched that old casino property for Lisa in Kansas City, then that would have just been one more place unchecked for the missing child. Psychics give insight and give different ideas for police to investigate. That's not wasting time and money. That's keeping a fire lit under the rear-ends of law enforcement so they do their jobs and bring home these missing people, or otherwise find out what happened to them!

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Post by Wrapitup on Sat Dec 10, 2011 1:55 am

Since Northland girl vanished, police and strangers have demanded Overland Park parents prove identity of their child.

By CHRISTINE VENDEL
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Eleven-month-old baby Lucy of Overland Park has been mistaken for the missing Lisa Irwin.

Shortly after baby Lisa Irwin disappeared in October, Amy noticed other shoppers looking at her and her 10-month-old baby, Lucy, in the supermarket.

“I saw people peering down the aisles at me,” the Overland Park mother said. “But I convinced myself that they were probably just looking for a can of green beans or something.”

Then three older women surrounded her.

“How old is your baby?” they asked. One of them pulled down Lucy’s blanket and lifted the baby’s dress to inspect her legs.

Other shoppers whispered and pointed Amy’s way.

“They think this is baby Lisa,” she realized. The woman was checking Lucy’s leg for the birthmark on Lisa Irwin’s right thigh.

The incident — one of hundreds of potential baby Lisa sightings reported to police — ended with Overland Park officers following Amy home and leaving only after she presented Lucy’s vaccination records and insurance card.

“At that point, I was glad people were paying attention,” said Amy, who didn’t want her last name published because of fears for her baby’s safety. “I would want that if my baby were missing.

“I just thought, ‘Wow. What a day. It’s a fluke.’ ”

But then it happened again. And again. Five times in all, Amy and her husband, David, have had to prove to law enforcement officers that they are indeed Lucy’s parents.

And that doesn’t count the times shoppers have cast dirty looks. Amy worries that someone is always watching her, judging her. She’s afraid to let anyone baby-sit Lucy because they might not be able to prove their relationship with her. She wonders how the negative attention is affecting her three other children.

The family is not convinced it’s over. Police visited their home last week in an incident that Amy ranks as the “worst of all.”

“I can’t tell you how emotionally this has affected me,” she said. “It’s to the point where I’m afraid of going out. It’s very upsetting.”

Amy and David are among hundreds of parents across the country and into Canada who have been asked to prove their relationship with their child because of baby Lisa’s case, Kansas City police said. Of the 1,419 leads received in the case, 422 of them are baby sightings.

But Kansas City police know of no other parents who have been repeatedly targeted like Amy and David.

Kansas City Police Sgt. Sondra Zink acknowledged the case has had far-flung repercussions.

“You think about her family and the detectives and all the peripheral people,” she said. “There is a trickle-down effect with the impact it has had on so many different people.”

• • •

When Lisa disappeared Oct. 4 from her Northland home, Amy paid close attention to the case.

“My heart was with the parents,” she said. “Obviously, I have a baby the same age, so I could really identify with them.”

Amy remembers thinking her baby resembled Lisa. They are about the same age and length and they share striking blue eyes. Lucy is a little thinner, Amy said.

“But never in a million years did it dawn on me that someone would report us to police,” she said.

The first incident made Amy want to bolt from the store and leave her groceries behind. Instead, she paid her bill and left in tears. She met her husband for lunch at Taco Bell, where Lucy drew stares from an older couple.

“They were just sitting there, not eating their food, just staring at us,” Amy said.

It didn’t help that Lucy was extremely fussy at the time, crying and pushing away from her parents.

Amy thought about saying something to the older couple but decided against it.

“I wanted to say, ‘This isn’t Lisa,’ ” she said. “But I figured it would just make me look more guilty.”

After David went back to work, Amy walked to her car and buckled Lucy’s car seat. The older man followed her outside and scribbled down her license number.

By now, Amy was drenched in sweat. She drove home, expecting to be pulled over. Sure enough, she said, an Overland Park officer began following her. He followed for three excruciating miles.

“I didn’t know what they were going to do,” she said. “I mean, if they think I have a kidnapped baby, I didn’t know if they were going to come out guns a-blazing or what.”

The patrol car didn’t stop her and Amy pulled into her driveway. Soon an officer knocked on her door.

He asked for her baby’s head circumference at birth. Amy didn’t know. She felt a bit inadequate.

The officer checked for Lisa’s birthmark, reviewed Amy’s paperwork and left.

A few days later, a Johnson County sheriff’s deputy showed up at her door. Again, Amy displayed her documentation and mentioned the Overland Park officer’s visit.

“I hope that doesn’t continue,” he told her.

But it did.

On Oct. 8, Amy and David went to Metcalf South Shopping Center. Her mother tagged along and bought David some work boots as a gift.

Not long after they returned home, someone knocked on their door. Amy’s 11-year-old daughter looked out the back window and saw a police officer in the back yard. Another officer was at the front door. There were three police cars. The 11-year-old was “freaked out,” Amy said.

The Overland Park officers brought surveillance photos of Amy taken at the mall — detailed images from every angle, including captions that referred to her as middle-aged and overweight. The terms stung.

“It makes you feel absolutely horrible as a person, the way they look at you, like you have a kidnapped baby,” Amy said. “I have no idea what my neighbors think with the police over here so often.”

After 20 minutes of questioning, the officers left. Amy got a police business card this time because she wanted to start documenting the visits.

A few days later, during a trip to Walmart, she noticed an older woman following her. Amy was looking for teething tablets, which were near the children’s cough medicine.

“Oh, does your baby have a cold?” the woman asked. Lisa reportedly had a cold when she disappeared.

“No,” Amy replied.

The woman followed her to the baby clothing area, where Amy looked for socks.

“What kind of mother doesn’t have socks for their baby?” the woman asked.

Amy explained that Lucy had outgrown her socks. “You need to leave me alone,” Amy told her.

Amy watched as the woman went to the customer service department. A store manager approached Amy. She refused to talk to him.

“If you think there is something wrong, then you should call the police,” she told him.

The police didn’t come for her — that time. But within a few days, she was again explaining herself to officers, who stopped her as she left a grocery store.

They took her baby from her while other shoppers stared at her. The officers searched her grocery bag and looked at her receipt.

“It was 15 minutes of me standing outside this store, having people look at me like I’d done something horrible,” she said. “Meanwhile, Lucy’s going crazy because this stranger is handling her. She’s at that age now where she is scared of strangers.”

Things calmed down in November and Amy thought the worst was over.

But on Nov. 30, when she returned home from an errand, her husband told her an officer had stopped by. David didn’t remember the officer saying where he was from.

Amy started to worry.

She called Overland Park police, who said they had not sent an officer. She called the sheriff’s office. Another no. Then she called Kansas City police. She had wondered why — in all this mess — they hadn’t paid a visit yet.

But Kansas City said it had no record of an officer going to their home.

“My heart dropped to my stomach,” she said. “I was wondering, ‘Who’s been inside my home asking about my baby?’ ”

A Kansas City commander called Amy back and told her she should file an impersonation report with Overland Park police “the minute you hang up from this call.”

Amy summoned Overland Park officers, who spent 45 minutes taking down every detail of the visit. They pulled nearby surveillance images to try to identify the man’s car. David and Amy checked how secure their front windows were and called their children’s school to make sure no strangers picked them up.

Four hours had gone by when the Kansas City commander again called Amy.

“I have egg all over my face,” he told her.

The man who had visited was a Kansas City investigator who had not yet logged the tip in the database.

• • •

Amy and David know that as long as Lisa is missing, the questions could continue.

Amy’s mother suggested Amy dress Lucy in boy clothes. Amy has thought about posting a note on her door that says, “If this is about baby Lisa, contact Kansas City police.”

Kansas City police personally investigate any leads they receive in the metropolitan area. Tips beyond an hour or two drive are delegated to the FBI.

Overland Park police said they don’t know if they ever notified Kansas City about the tips about Lucy.

Kansas City police said they are taking steps to improve communication among area law enforcement agencies for better record-keeping. They encourage people with tips to call the Tips Hotline at 816-474-8477 (TIPS) so the information will be routed directly to them.

A source close to the investigation, who didn’t want to be named, lamented the ordeal that David and Amy have faced.

“Not only were these people bothered,” he said, “we wasted more law enforcement time.”

Amy said she wants people who think they have spotted Lisa to call police, but not try to touch the baby or insult the parents.

“I guess one thing this has taught me is maybe don’t be so judgmental.”

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Post by artgal16 on Sat Dec 10, 2011 9:12 am

They should put on a boys sweatshirt on her maybe one like a football jersey - that should stop people - goodness what a thing to happen.
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Post by Wrapitup on Tue Dec 13, 2011 5:57 pm

Doppelganger of Missing Baby Lisa Irwin Found, Family Harassed

By William Browning | Yahoo! Contributor Network – Sun, Dec 11, 2011

The Kansas City Star reports the public has been very cognizant of the search for baby Lisa Irwin, missing since Oct. 4. In the case of one family, the vigilance of ordinary citizens may have gone over the top as a lookalike has been found. A married couple named Amy and David have been questioned by police several times because their daughter Lucy is about the same age as Lisa and bears a striking resemblance to the missing infant.
Here's a look at the strange new twist in the case.
* The couple was interviewed by the Star under the condition that Amy and David's last name not be used. They are married but fear they will be endlessly harassed.
* Amy realized Lucy looked like Lisa when she was in a local supermarket in Overland Park, Kan., a suburb of Kansas City, Mo. Three older women literally surrounded her and asked her invasive questions. They also touched Lucy to see if she had a birthmark on her right leg that resembles Lisa's.
* Five times Amy and David have been questioned by authorities in the case. Every time, the parents have had to produce proof that Lucy is their baby. The couple feels as if everyone is watching them. Shoppers stare at the parents. The police told the Star no other incidents of lookalike babies have surfaced.
* One officer even asked Amy what the circumference of Lucy's head was at the time of her birth.
* Lisa and Lucy look similar in photos. The babies have bright blue eyes and blond hair. Even their ears stick out in the same manner. One subtle difference is in the cheek bones. Lisa's cheeks are chubbier. Lisa also appears to weigh more.
* This new twist could be the rare case of a doppelganger. Merriam-Webster defines the German word as "double" or "alter ego." As babies can often seem similar in appearance, it is startling that one couple is repeatedly asked the same questions about their baby over and over due to the resemblance of a high-profile missing person case.
* Most of the incidents happened in early October when the case was still fresh on people's minds. The fifth incident occurred Nov. 30 when an investigator interviewed the couple at home. No one knew for which department the man worked for until several hours later when a Kansas City police commander called to report the detective hadn't logged the tip in their computer database yet.

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Post by Wrapitup on Thu Dec 15, 2011 1:01 am

Is Missing Baby Lisa Irwin Dead? Unsettling Questions Remain

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December 14, 2011 6:02 PM EST

Baby Lisa Irwin has been missing for two months following her mysterious disappearance the night of Oct. 4. The one-year-old's parents, Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin, continue to believe their daughter was kidnapped late that night.

Baby Lisa Irwin has been missing for two months following her mysterious disappearance the night of Oct. 4. The one-year-old's parents, Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin, continue to believe their daughter was kidnapped late that night. Is missing baby Lisa Irwin dead or alive?

Following a detailed investigation, authorities, however, still have no idea what happened the night baby Lisa Irwin went missing. While attention was initially focused on Lisa's parents, particularly on her mother Bradley, no suspects or major leads were ever declared.

Last week, authorities made a startling decision to close their outpost focused predominantly on finding the missing one-year-old girl. While Kansas City Police Captain Steve Young maintains that police will continue looking for Lisa if new tips or leads turn up, unfortunately the department needs to focus their energy on new child neglect and abuse cases that have arisen.

Lisa's parents, Bradley and Irwin, also surprised the media when they asked volunteers and neighbors who held vigils on their lawn to please leave the family alone. According to a source close to the family, the decision was made because the family hopes to return to a state of normalcy, which is impossible with people holding vigils in front of the Irwin-Bradley home.

Bradley and Irwin's decision has sparked comments that the family has decided to "move on," an unexpected act considering their beloved daughter has only been missing for two months. Bradley and Irwin have been criticized throughout the case for failing to cooperate with the Kansas City police department, inviting suspicions that baby Lisa might be dead or that her parents may know more than they let on.

Many questions still remain in the case of missing baby Lisa Irwin. Not only is it unclear what exactly happened the night of her disappearance, but additionally a number of strange developments since Oct. 4 have perplexed the police, media and public.

It remains unclear how a modest American family could afford the high-profile New York lawyer Joe Tacopina representing them, as well as the New York private investigator, Bill Stanton, hired to help find 11-month-old Lisa. An unnamed wealthy benefactor claims to be paying for Stanton's fees and has also offered a $100,000 reward for the return of Lisa or the conviction of those involved in her disappearance. Who is this benefactor and why is he helping the family?

The case also took a turn for the worst when a Texas-based psychic claimed she had a vision of baby Lisa's body being buried at a Kansas City casino at Interstate 435 and Highway 210. The self-proclaimed psychic claims she had a vision that Lisa Irwin was buried by a river and a tower. She then posted a drawing of what she saw in her vision. Despite a search that included over 20 volunteers, no evidence of baby Lisa was found.

For now, the case of missing baby Lisa remains a mystery that began when Lisa's father, Jeremy Irwin, returned home on Oct. 4 after working overtime, to find the door open, the lights in his house on, windows tampered with and his daughter missing. Unfortunately, we may never know if baby Lisa is dead or alive.

Two-Month Timeline of the Search for Missing Baby Lisa from October to December 2011

Oct. 4, 4 a.m.: Jeremy Irwin, an electrician, returned home to find his daughter missing. He called 911 to report the disappearance of baby Lisa. A window and screen were tampered with, lights were left on, the family's front door was unlocked and three cell phones were missing. Deborah Bradley claimed she last saw her daughter at 10:30 p.m. before falling asleep in bed with her two sons. It was later discovered that there was a fire in a dumpster near the Bradley-Irwin home at 2:30 a.m. The "Amber Alert" is turned on and a local suburban landfill is searched for a body. The Kansas City Star has more details about the night baby Lisa disappeared, from an alleged family source.

Oct. 5: The "Amber Alert" was turned off. Detectives continue to look at the case from every angle possible.

Oct. 6: Parents, Bradley and Irwin, gave a "tearful" television plea begging whoever might have their baby to bring her home. Kansas City police Capt. Steve Young claimed the parents stopped cooperating with police.

Oct. 7: Bradley and Irwin went on the "Today" show to discuss the ongoing investigation. Matt Lauer questioned the parents, asking why police have called them "uncooperative." Bradley claimed police accused her from the beginning of being involved in her baby's disappearance. Bradley also explains that she failed a polygraph lie-detector test, but doesn't know why. Authorities continue to search for baby Lisa. The FBI searched a suburban landfill, the Deffenbaugh Industries landfill, for the second time that week. A teenage neighbor was questioned by police and swabbed for DNA.

Oct.8: Authorities investigated a few potential leads, like a couple seen with a small child. Bradley and Irwin tried to put together a monetary reward.

Oct. 9: Lisa's aunt, Ashley Irwin, handed out fliers at the Kansas Speedway NASCAR Sprint Cup race.

Oct. 10: FBI and police staged a "break-in" to try to figure out potential ways an intruder could have entered the Bradley-Irwin home. Police discovered that climbing through the tampered window is actually more difficult than it seemed, because the intruder would have made a lot of noise, waking mother, Bradley. Grand jury subpoenas were sent to multiple Kansas City television stations requesting, "all footage, including raw footage of any interviews or statements given by neighbors, family or friends of the family, regarding missing baby, Lisa Irwin."

Oct. 11: Police and firefighters drained a well underneath the porch of an abandoned home to look for baby Lisa. Lisa's aunt, Ashley Irwin, told "Good Morning America" that Bradley was prepared to be arrested by police stating, "It's what the police do. They don't have any leads so they just have to pin it on somebody." Police denied plans to arrest Bradley or any other suspects.

Oct. 12: A security video was released that shows Bradley shopping with an unidentified man (later identified as her brother) at 5 p.m. on Oct. 3, hours before baby Lisa went missing. The pair walked through Festival Foods, a local supermarket, and purchased diapers, boxed wine and baby wipes. A New York-based security consultant / private detective, Bill Stanton (known as "Wild Bill"), joined the team looking for baby Lisa Irwin. Stanton claimed that he is conducting an independent investigation sponsored (and paid for) by a wealthy benefactor.

Oct. 13: Authorities continued to search for missing baby Lisa Irwin. Missouri Gov. Jay Nixon ordered a one-day deployment of 25 National Guardsmen to help in the search.

Oct. 14: Bill Stanton announced a $100,000 reward posted for the safe return of baby Lisa or conviction of those involved in the crime. The reward was posted by an anonymous benefactor who wished to remain unnamed. Bradley and Irwin posted videos of baby Lisa Irwin on YouTube, including "Yelling At Mommy," "Lisa Eating Cereal" and "Lisa's New Toy."

Oct. 15: The Kansas City police department continued their search using helicopters, all-terrain vehicles and door-to-door interviews in an attempt to find the missing baby.

Oct. 17: Bradley admitted on CNN to drinking five to ten glasses of wine ("enough to be drunk") the night baby Lisa went missing. Bradley claimed she was the last person to see the baby, putting her down to sleep at 6:40 p.m. She had originally told police she put her daughter to sleep at 10:30 p.m. Bradley gave no explanation for the change in her story. Bradley told "The Today Show" that Lisa's half-brothers, ages 5 and 8, claim they heard noises the night of Lisa's disappearance.

Oct. 18: Bradley and Irwin retained high-profile New York lawyer Joe Tacopina who has experience working with Michael Jackson and Jordan van der Sloot. It is unclear who is paying Tacopina's fees. The Federal Aviation Administration initiated a no-fly zone over a search area around Lisa's home near Kansas City. A tipster claimed to have seen a baby Lisa look-a-like at a Manhattan, Kan., deli.

Oct. 19: A Missouri judge granted a search warrant to police to search the Bradley-Irwin home and yard without the couple's presence. No one could enter the house until police completed their investigation. Authorities swabbed for DNA, blood, fingerprints and other evidence. They removed brown paper bags and some of baby Lisa's clothes and toys from the home. The complete investigation lasted 17-hours. An FBI cadaver dog brought into the home indicated a positive scent of a deceased human in an area of the floor near Bradley's bed in her bedroom.

Oct. 21: Three eyewitnesses, Mike Thompson and an unnamed couple, told ABC News that they saw a mystery man carrying a baby wearing a diaper around Kansas City the night of baby Lisa's disappearance.

Oct. 23: ABC News released surveillance footage found by a local gas station that shows a mystery man leaving a wooded area near baby Lisa Irwin's home.

Oct. 24: The police showed pictures to eyewitness, Mike Thompson, in an effort to identify and locate the "mystery man" spotted on the night of baby Lisa's disappearance. The other two eyewitnesses did not recognize the man identified by Thomspon.

Oct. 25: Police tried to convince Bradley and Irwin to do separate interviews to answer a list of "tough questions."

Oct. 26: Family agreed to let Lisa's half-brothers, ages 5 and 8, be interviewed by child specialists and swabbed for DNA. The interviews are scheduled for Friday, Oct. 28.

Oct. 27: Police extended their search of missing baby Lisa to Chaumiere Lake, but found no clues in the small lake near the Kansas City home.

Oct. 28: New York attorney Joe Tacopina called off the scheduled interviews and DNA swabs of baby Lisa's half-brothers. Cyndy Short, the local counsel working with Bradley and Irwin, is either fired or quits (it remains unclear) from the missing baby Lisa case. No clear reasons were given for Short's dismissal.

Oct. 31: The Bradley-Irwin family is seen outside trick or treating for Halloween. It is one of their few public appearances since Lisa's disappearance.

Nov. 1: Tacopina announced that Kansas City lawyer John Picerno will join the team of attorney's assisting Bradley and Irwin.

Nov. 2: A source reports new details about the night baby Lisa Irwin disappeared to the Kansas City Star. New information revealed that Bradley and her neighbor sat on the steps outside the Irwin-Bradley home from 7 p.m. to approximately 10:30 p.m. smoking cigarettes and drinking wine.

Nov. 6: Lisa's maternal grandfather spoke out on ABC's Nightline. He emphasized that Bradley and Irwin were unhappy with how police had handled the case. "My God, Debbie and Jeremy can't even relax and smoke on the back porch without seeing hidden cameras popping out of brush. It's horrible," explained David, "Nobody knows how they'd react until this happens. I'm sick of hearing, 'If they really cared they'd be doing so and so.'... And through it all, little Lisa is out there somewhere, that's what gets me...."

Nov. 8: New details emerged about the missing cell phone allegedly stolen from the Bradley-Irwin home. Phone records indicate that Lisa's mother's cellphone was used to make a 50 second phone call to Megan Wright, the ex-girlfriend of neighborhood handyman, John "Jersey" Tanko. Tanko has a criminal record and has been extensively interviewed by police. Wright claims she did not receive a phone call late Oct. 4, because someone else had been using the shared phone.

Nov. 10: Lisa's half-brothers, 5 and 8, were interviewed by child specialists with the Kansas City police department. The two boys allegedly heard noises late Oct. 4, the night Lisa disappeared. Police begin to slow down their search and stop doing physical field searches.

Nov. 11: This date marks the first birthday of baby Lisa Irwin. Her grandfather claims her birthday is the "oh-my-god" moment for parents, Bradley and Irwin. Family attorney, John Picerno, discusses the circumstances of Bradley and Irwin's stolen cell phone on America Live with Megyn Kelly.

Nov. 12: Picerno told Fox News he believes the phone call made from the missing cell phone the night of Lisa's disappearance proves their innocence. He also expressed concern that police believe Bradley to be a suspect. Police continued to claim they were looking at all possible leads and circumstance. Kansas City Police Capt. Steve Young expressed frustration at the parents' unwillingness to speak openly with police.

Nov. 13: A man, named "Dane," is identified as the person who had Megan Wright's phone at the time a mysterious call was made from Bradley's stolen cell phone.

Nov. 15: Lisa's family moves back into their Kansas City home for the first time since her disappearance on Oct. 4. The mother of Lisa's 8-year-old half-brother, Blake, filed for emergency custody of her son, citing the trauma involved with the missing child. Irwin had previously gained full custody of Blake in 2008.

Nov. 16: Retired Kansas City policeman, Dave Bernard, told KMBC News, "You know at this stage, I don't know. I doubt it. I doubt that she's still alive."

Nov. 19: "Dane," Wright's former roommate, came forward to explain that he had Wright's mobile phone, but that he does not know who called and he does not know the Bradley-Irwin family.

Nov. 22: Authorities investigated the possibility that Jersey Tanko had kidnapped baby Lisa for $300. It was later determined that he was most likely not involved with the case.

Nov. 24: Texan psychic, Stephanie Almaguer, described having a "vision" on her blog. She claimed she saw baby Lisa accidentally die in her home, claiming the infant's body was dumped in an area resembling a former Kansas City casino.

Nov. 25: Detectives closed their outpost and returned back to their old offices. Police claimed the case will remain open, but stated the need to turn their attention to other child abuse and neglect cases that have surfaced since Lisa's disappearance.

Nov. 26: Volunteers searched a closed casino for missing baby Lisa Irwin Saturday following visions from a Dallas psychic, Stephanie Almaguer. Nothing was found.

Nov. 28: Police search well near Kansas City casino, but find no clues of missing baby Lisa.

Dec. 1: Lisa's parents, Bradley and Irwin, have requested that supporters end the candlelight vigils that have been held on their lawn. Lisa's grandmother told the Kansas City Star that the parents find the vigils "troubling" to Lisa's half-brothers. The family hopes to return to a sense of normalcy, she said.

Dec. 2: Baby Lisa is featured on "America's Most Wanted." Host John Walsh ridiculed Lisa's parents for not cooperating more with investigators. "They should cooperate with police fully. They should do all the media they can and they should remember one thing -- if they had nothing to do with their daughter's disappearance, they need to be the face of baby Lisa," said Walsh during an interview with KCTV5.

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Post by Wrapitup on Fri Dec 16, 2011 8:48 pm

Lisa Irwin Update: Cadaver Dogs and Shady Lawyers
December 16, 2011 04:30 PM EST

The disappearance of Lisa Irwin still weighs heavy on the minds of many, even if mainstream news sources have appeared to quiet down their coverage of the case. There are some updates today, brought to you by private investigator Ron Rugen.

It's been widely reported, since the beginning of the case, that the mother of missing baby Lisa Irwin failed her polygraph test. In fact, Deborah Bradley admitted it herself to the media.

Ron Rugen discussed the cadaver dog evidence in this missing persons case. Cadaver dogs are very interesting because their senses of smell are so keen, they can detect the scent of decaying human skin particles, even under water. A couple of weeks into the disappearance of baby Lisa, cadaver dogs are reported to have hit on the scent of death in the bedroom of Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin. It's also reported that the dogs hit on the scent of some of the baby's items.

It says in the post written by Rugen, that in order to determine whether or not this evidence is infallible, there must be more information released. For instance, if a cadaver dog hit on the scent of human decomposition on the bedroom carpet, the carpet should be lifted up so the dog could smell beneath it as well. Sometimes things like vomit and other waste can mess with the results. Considering this brings new theories to mind. For instance, it's known that Deborah Bradley was highly intoxicated the night her baby was allegedly abducted. Could she have vomited there?

Bad lawyer connected to Lisa Irwin case

The lawyer representing the mother of Jeremy Irwin's son is in some trouble after pulling a major stunt in court this week. You see, Dorothy Savory tried to pass off a doppelgänger as her client in a Kansas City courtroom on Wednesday. It's not every day that a lawyer has the chance to push off her client's twin brother as her client, and Savory took that opportunity. Perhaps it's time for the former girlfriend of Jeremy Irwin to find a new lawyer? If this one is this unethical, she can't be good for this upcoming custody battle.

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Post by Wrapitup on Fri Dec 16, 2011 9:02 pm

Kansas City lawyer tries to use client's twin as body double in court
Posted by Ben Palosaari on Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 1:53 PM

Dorothy Savory's plan was so close to working.

With just two weeks left in the year, Kansas City attorney Dorothy Savory has claimed the title for strangest courtroom stunt of the year. And to make it even more bizarre, there's a Lisa Irwin connection. This shit is straight out of Matlock.

The Star reports that Savory was in court on Wednesday defending Darrel W. White Jr. during a hearing for a robbery charge. He allegedly snatched a purse. Circuit Judge Kenneth R. Garrett III called the case and asked Savory if her client was in custody. She said White was in the courtroom, and Garrett asked "Mr. White" to come forward. But the guy sitting next to Savory in court wasn't Darrel White but his twin brother, Darion.

Meanwhile, outside the courtroom, the police officer who arrested Darrel White for stealing the purse was waiting to testify. And who did he see get off the elevator? The real Darrel White! As the officer was putting the pieces together outside the courtroom, the robbery victim was on the stand and pointed to Darion White as the man who robbed her.

Then the officer told court officials, and Savory's stunt was found out.

The Star reports that Garrett was majorly peeved. "I’m just so furious right now," he seethed at the lawyer. County Prosecutor Jean Peters Baker was also enraged and said she is obligated to report Savory to the Missouri Bar for misleading the judge.

Once the tactic failed, Savory played dumb. See, she never wanted her client, Darrel, to testify. She only wanted his twin to testify. From the Star's hilarious account:

[Savory] appeared mystified that her conduct could be called into question. "My client was not planning on testifying at all," she explained Wednesday. "My client was not the one I called to come to the table. This honorable court asked for Mr. White, and that’s who’s at the table today, Mr. White." Garrett was having none of her tap dancing.

"It was presented to me, it was presented to this court and it was presented to the state that the person sitting at that table was your client," the judge said.

It got worse for Savory when her plant sold her out on the stand. Darion White told the court that he was there because Savory asked him to be there. Saboteur! Garrett decided to call a recess and said the hearing would continue on January 9.

Savory (whose Twitter feed offers traffic-ticket legal services for $150) is the attorney for Jeremy Irwin's ex-girlfriend who is the mother of Lisa Irwin's half-brother and trying to get custody of him. It might be time to consider a different lawyer.

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Post by Wrapitup on Fri Dec 16, 2011 10:12 pm

So many of my precious readers have emailed me and asked me my thoughts on the body language of Baby Lisa’s parents. After analyzing the Anthony case in such great detail only to see a child killer ( intentional or not) go free and watch the killer’s repulsive parents exploit the media and make millions off of a dead baby, the last thing I wanted to do was to get involved in yet another story of a disturbed mother and her missing child.

The Anthony case was upsetting in so many ways, from the judge; to the jury; to the unlikeable and arrogant male prosecutor, to a certain member of the media who sensationalized the case as “entertainment” with her dramatic ”bombshells’ in her career move as she nauseatingly “kissed up” to Cindy Anthony claiming she identified with Cindy as a “mother” when perhaps her actual motive was to “dance” around Cindy in hopes she would appear on her show; to watching her try to redeem all the negative public backlash against her result of this case by embarrassingly dancing her way with the stars; to watching the Anthony’s continue to manipulate and deceive both on and off the stand while making millions of dollars and avoiding jail for lying on the stand; to knowing that after her year of probation, Casey Anthony can leave the state of Florida or the country, erase her past and start a new free life with no consequence and no remorse, even though she allegedly took a life. I want no part of this or any of the people involved. Nor do I want any part of the Baby Lisa case.

But because so many of you asked and because I respect you and your wishes, I will respond. I will share my thoughts but I will not report on the Baby Lisa case regularly. It is way too distressing and that is not what I choose to do with my time. What I am about to share says it all.

Similar Patterns Seen in Missing Baby Cases Where The Outcome Is Tragic

First and foremost, after weighing in and analyzing the body language of so many of these “missing baby” type cases throughout the years from Susan Smith to Andrea Yates to Casey Anthony, I discovered that there are certain patterns or tells when a parent is up to no good. Debbie Bradley, Baby Lisa’s mother shows many of these patterns.

First there are the crocodile tears and the ability to quickly turn the waterworks on and off. I noticed this with Debbie Bradley. She rubs her eyes with both hands like someone does when they are over tired. She is not wiping away tears. When she removed her hands from this position, there were no tears which could be seen which indicates she was faking it in my view.

2.The lack of cooperation with law enforcement or the on and off cooperation with law enforcement is another signal. When someone has nothing to hide, they tell ALL and they do EVERYTHING to help law enforcement help them. No matter how tough the police get with them, they always cooperate if they have nothing to hide.

3.Another pattern is when a story ill. She changed. Debbie Bradley changed her story and that is a huge sign something foul must have happened.

4. The justification syndrome is another tell. Admitting she was drunk helps appease her guilt and may justify her actions in her own distorted mind as she may think ”Well I was drunk- so I am not responsible if anything happened to the baby.”

5. The Adding Clue Syndrome. Debbie maintained all along that three cell phones were taken along with baby Lisa. When someone is trying to create an alibi and take the onus off of themselves they will often give out additional information in an attempt to distract.

First of all who would kidnap a child and take not one, not two, but three cell phones? Were the cell phones all in one neat place or did they have to go around the house to search for them. If they went around the house searching for cell phones, wouldn’t she or the boys have heard this? The answer is obviously yes.

Debbie clearly did not think this all the way through when she mentioned the robbery of the cell phones. Of course they went missing, She didn’t want any evidence on them.

6. Another pattern is the baby snatching window story. This is a very common theme among so many who report their babies missing, only to find that they have harmed their child in some way.

People don’t usually come into one’s home in the middle of the night to snatch a child. It is rare. There is noise when someone opens a window or cuts a screen. There is also the noise of movement from the child or their crying or whimpering after being disturbed from their sleep.

Usually the homes where these children are allegedly snatched are small like the Debbie Bradley’s home, so it would be easy to hear and see an intruder. As you can see this is not a two or three story mansion where you may not hear noise. But of course if you are drunk or passed out you can conveniently say you didn’t hear or see anything.

7. She is way too prepared to be charged with a crime. She said she expects she will be for something she didn’t do. An innocent person would never say this. They would demand their innocence.

8. They will not allow witnesses which are their two young sons to be questioned the night Baby Lisa went missing. When Elizabeth Smart went missing her parents allowed her young sister to be questioned. As a result of what her sister told them, they were able to identify the kidnapper.

When a parent does not cooperate this is a huge signal of guilt in my view. People who are not guilty want you to speak to everyone who can give information. They have nothing to hide. It seems like Debbie and her husband clearly have something to hide by not allowing these boys to speak to law enforcement.

9. When lawyers are in the picture and lawyers quit or are forced out that is not a good sign. Usually they quit because they have an uncooperative client who doesn’t heed their counsel or they know their client is guilty and don’t feel in good conscience they can defend them. Also why would anyone need a lawyer if they were innocent?

10.When the mother goes on a press junket and starts looking better and better in terms of her appearance, makeup and dress it usually indicates that are loving all the attention, which they obviously lacked and needed in the first place.

They begin to feel like celebrities with all the media attention and newfound money - lots of it. Those photos you see of baby Lisa on the news are not free. They are licensed out to a photo agency who pays huge money to Baby Lisa’s parents. The news venues then pay a fee to the agency to use the photos. So everyone gets rich.

Suddenly Debbie is not so sad because all the new found photo money just made Baby Lisa’s “disappearance” a lot more easier to deal with. The more Debbie evades and denies, the more the story stays on center page and the more photos are used.

11. Baby Lisa’s father has no emotional reaction. He sits there stoic like a bump on a log. And please don’t waste your time to tell me people grieve differently. There are universal reactions and he shows none of these reactions, which in my view means he must know something is amiss. At first there was the arm around Lisa. As time passes he grows more and more physically distant. He leans away from hre. His hand is hiding in his pocket indicating that he isn't revealing all of his true felings to her. He even walks way ahead of her. This is a very bad sign body language wise as it means he is distancing himself from Lisa. Don’t be surprised if he suddenly jumps ship and spills it all out.

So what happened to Baby Lisa? We can speculate all we want from Debbie rolling over on the baby while she was sleeping and drunk or perhaps sitting on the baby while she was drunk and suffocating Lisa, to shaking the baby in anger if Baby Lisa cried, in the middle of the night, to plain out maliciously killing the baby because she was angry at the father.
Maybe she didn’t like that he took a new job where he had the night shift. Maybe she has post partum depression. Her drinking may be a form of self-medication. Maybe her two boys got too rambunctious with the baby and accidently killed her. Also why were these two boys conveniently sleeping with her in her bed? Was Baby Lisa in the bed too? Did she get crushed?

Cadaver dogs hit on Debbie’s bedroom floor. Did the baby fall off the bed, hit the floor and die or was she killed on the floor? If Debbie was in her bedroom sleeping with the boys and someone allegedly took the baby, did they kill the baby on her bedroom floor while she was asleep in the bed with the two boys before they snatched the baby? Needless to say, body language and communication-wise something is very very wrong. I am not accusing Debbie or her boys of killing the baby accidently or on purpose. I will however say that just as Debbie marked to the press, I too would not be surprised if she eventually ends up behind bars.

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Post by artgal16 on Fri Dec 16, 2011 10:20 pm

Wow she used to appear regularly on NG's show. She must have had some falling out with her to post what she has!
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Post by Wrapitup on Fri Dec 16, 2011 10:24 pm

I thought the exact same thing when NG was saying all these lovely things about Spindy. I think she wanted Spindy to call her and tell her she would do an interview with her. I think for the most part, NG is a phony. MOO.

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Post by Slys Hunny on Sat Dec 17, 2011 9:13 am

This case is like a bad soap opera!
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Post by Wrapitup on Sat Dec 17, 2011 10:24 am

Not as bad as the Casey soap opera but it's a close 2nd!!

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