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Post by Wrapitup Wed Feb 02, 2011 4:16 am

First of all, I would not have banned "czgtz" at all. IF she is a friend of Billie's she can offer valuable info about BD's state of mind and character. I am not criticizing WS' owner..to each their own.

Second of all, I just find it very, very strange that BD would get rid of those couches IF Hailey slept on it every night. I would be missing her so badly, I would be lying on the couch and smelling it..just to get her scent. I would be crying my eyes out missing my children.

I did not see that in the "press conference" at all. I know everyone grieves differently but this is serious business. It's been over a month now. I have watched her affect from the beginning and she doesn't seem that upset to me.

Jeanne, I completely agree with every word you said. And for all we know, it is possible (IF LE is not watching him 24/7) that they have been real "friendly" since Hailey went missing. I don't care for BD personally. Anyone who would be associated with the likes of SA (masks, devil music and all) has their priorities all screwed up. This is MOO. grrrr
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Post by gnreed Wed Feb 02, 2011 8:07 am

A couple of weeks ago, BD said SA would not speak to her. Now that has changed. They are now talking and friendly.
Could it be SA contacted BD and encouraged her to speak to the media and attempt to turn the public against LE? And also to give reasons why the pings indicate he was in or near C-City?
It appears they worked on this for awhile before BD went before the media, as his directions of travel changed.
Nice try. BD may not have participated in whatever happened to Hailey, but she could end up in trouble if she continues to give false information to LE.

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Post by jeanne1807 Wed Feb 02, 2011 8:13 am

Wrap are you saying Billie's friend CZGTZ has been banned?

I wonder if we could get her over here. I think they can still get pm's. What say you?

I noticed she has not been posting. I don't know how accurate her information was but she was inside.
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Post by Nama Wed Feb 02, 2011 10:18 am



by Wrapitup Today at 5:16 am I did not see that in the "press conference" at all.
Wrap, a video of the press conference is posted upthread. Go watch it.
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Post by jeanne1807 Wed Feb 02, 2011 3:19 pm

I don't know who is running the show....but I went ahead and invited CZGTZ to join us. I told her when she came over to let the mods know who she is.

Just letting you gals know. I think she can answer some of our questions.

Of course they will be biased in favor of BD because that is her friend. Everybody to their own opinion.
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Post by jeanne1807 Wed Feb 02, 2011 3:21 pm

I guess she wasn't banned. This is what a few of us have speculated.

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Sailor, the only thing that I have heard personally is that Shawn said the was 'at his mom's house the whole time.'

winter, yes, Billie personally knows this woman, and also knows of others who have done the same.

lillys, I respect the fact that you have interpreted her statement as you have. We are all entitled to our own opinions, and I am not going to try and sway you from yours.
IMO, Billie has not changed her story. And (again, just MOO) don't you think it is in the realm of possiblity that LE has asked Billie to remain as friendly as possible and keep the lines of communication open with Shawn?
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Post by Guest Wed Feb 02, 2011 4:27 pm

There is a whole other conversation going on that I have not seen. Is this still blogs from WS? Does Billies friend know there are people here who believe that she had nothing to do with what happened to Hailee? I don't think Billie is covering for anyone either. I am sure that Billie is kicking herself for not checking out where her daughter was suppose to spend the night right? How could she not?
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Post by Guest Wed Feb 02, 2011 4:29 pm

BTW SA will never admit to anything with out hard core prove he did something to Hailee. No matter how nice Billie is to him that is not going to happen.
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Post by raine1953 Wed Feb 02, 2011 4:43 pm

Jeanne, I'm glad that you invited czgtz over here, I hope she comes.
What she said 'And (again, just MOO) don't you think it is in the realm of possiblity that LE has asked Billie to remain as friendly as possible and keep the lines of communication open with Shawn?' - that could be true.




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Post by jeanne1807 Wed Feb 02, 2011 5:10 pm

I think we like other blogs have many opinions here. Each entitled to our own.

Wraps rule has always been that we are respectful and I think that is why we have lasted so long and grown.

I think having somebody familiar with the case can clear up trivia that we debate over and over again.

So I hope she joins us and I look forward to many interesting discussions.
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Post by czgtz Wed Feb 02, 2011 5:48 pm

lol, havn't even said hi yet and y'all are talking about me....

So, hi everyone, and I'm glad to be here.

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Post by Guest Wed Feb 02, 2011 6:02 pm

We are glad you are here czgtz. welcome2 to victims heartland. I am sure you can bring some insight to us here. Like that furniture issue. If Billies brother had new furniture delivered (that was probably ordered before Hailee disappeared) then Billie had to make room for what her brother was giving to her. Even if the timing was horrible.
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Post by Nama Wed Feb 02, 2011 6:05 pm

by czgtz Today at 6:48 pm lol, havn't even said hi yet and y'all are talking about me....
Your reputation preceded you. :cheers: Welcome to VH!
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Post by czgtz Wed Feb 02, 2011 6:30 pm

Thanks for the welcome y'all.

I want to come here being totally honest.... Billie is one of my dearest friends, and I love her like a sister. I have stood by her and will continue to stand by her. I believe 100% that she has absolutely no knowledge of Hailey's disappearance or any 'cover up'.

That being said, yes, I will defend her. But I really don't want to argue - and I have been led to believe that here at VH, neither does anyone else. My main goal is to bring Hailey home. And by God's grace, she will come home safely. I continue to hold on to the hope that she is alive, and will do so until I am shown irrefutable proof that she is not.

That being said, I will be more than happy to clear up any issues that I can.

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Post by raine1953 Wed Feb 02, 2011 6:40 pm

czgtz wrote:lol, havn't even said hi yet and y'all are talking about me....

So, hi everyone, and I'm glad to be here.

I was talking about you, welcome to VH! People here really are great here and I think you'll like it.
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Post by Guest Wed Feb 02, 2011 6:51 pm

Welcome to VH, czgtz! I am sure that you will like it here. I'm also glad to hear that you are friends with Billie, and that you are prepared to defend her. I am sure that she appreciates having you by her side at this time!

Two questions I have:

1. Why does Billie appear so emotionless (at least when on camera)? Is this normal for her?

2. Do you think SA is guilty in Hailey's disappearance?

If you don't want to answer these questions, I will understand. But, I am curious as to your perspective on these questions. :thanks:
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Post by raine1953 Wed Feb 02, 2011 6:56 pm

If you read back, you'll see that I'm one of BD's supporters, at least I'm trying to be without knowing her.
Let me ask you this, does she usually sound as 'flat' as she did at the press conference she called the other day? I attributed that to the possibility that she's under a Dr's care and could be on anti depressants and/or anti anxiety meds.
I'm wondering about the recent threat that BD has been talking about in the last couple of days. Is that something that she did not know about prior to her announcing it to the media? Was this something that LE picked up on during this investigation and did BD not really know about it? This was a threat towards her and Hailey?
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Post by Guest Wed Feb 02, 2011 7:31 pm

I attributed that to the possibility that she's under a Dr's care and could be on anti depressants and/or anti anxiety meds?
Good question. I have to ask about illegal drugs as well. I was thinking about anti depressant medications and or anxiety meds myself when people talked about her emotions being flat. I was amazed at how strong she has been myself. I am not sure I could speak one word on national TV if my child was missing.
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Post by raine1953 Wed Feb 02, 2011 7:44 pm

Hailey's mom clings to hope

Four weeks ago few people outside of classmates and close friends had any idea who Hailey Dunn was.

Today, her face is known coast to coast and an entire community has pulled together to make her their own.

Hailey is a typical 13 year old according to her mother, “with hormones raging and little attitudes now and then, but no different from other friends’ 13-year-olds.”
“She’s really a good kid. She has a big heart,” Billie Dunn said.

Her room reflects her growing from little girl into young lady: trophies from softball, decorative pillows on her bed, a drawer of snacks – Hostess cupcakes and hot Cheetos, and pin up pictures of her favorite martial artist B. J. Penn.

Ever the sports enthusiast, the red beaded curtains reflect the Wolves’ colors.

“Cheerleading wasn’t her favorite thing,” Dunn said. “She loved softball, volleyball, and basketball. She was first chair saxophone in band.”

Hailey, who vanished without a trace on December 26 or 27, has captured national headlines, creating a media frenzy in Colorado City, her picture displayed on billboards along Interstate 20 and portrayed as the “perfect cheerleader” on Nancy Grace.

“That’s not who she was. She’d rather kick a boy before kissing him,” Dunn said. “She’s very tomboyish.”

Dunn recalls her daughter breaking lots of windows in the backyard while playing ball. “Any kind of ball, she broke a window with it,” she said.

“She was always bored at home and watched a lot of TV. She wrestled with her brother, David. They practiced different (martial art) moves on each other,” Dunn said.

School mates and teachers rallied behind the search for the missing teen, selling T-shirts, printing buttons, distributing flyers, tying orange ribbons around town and holding a vigil at the middle school.

Investigators at first focused on the possibility Hailey might have runaway, but more recently are treating her disappearance as a criminal investigation.

Her mother said the media focus made her a little crazy.

“I got so depressed,” she said. “The focus was Shawn killed her and we needed to find a body. There’s no evidence my daughter is gone. I decided as long as I believe she’s alive, she is. I’m going to believe she’s alive.”

Representatives from Klaas Kids Foundation and Laura Recovery Center helped Dunn find a way out of the depression.

“I am so appreciative to Marc (Klaas) for getting me out of the house,” she said. “ I didn’t want to go anywhere. He made me go down to the civic center and meet some of the searchers.

Although law enforcement tells Dunn they are looking into all leads, she feels they’re “too focused on Shawn. There are places you can make Shawn fit and lots you can’t. I know he loves Hailey and David. Not like I do, but he does.”

Dunn would like to see investigators focus more on the witnesses who claim to have seen Hailey on Monday, Dec. 27 “It makes a big difference how everyone thinks if Hailey was seen later,” she said.

She admits the idea Adkins might be guilty “got pounded into my head. It made me cry.”

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Post by Guest Wed Feb 02, 2011 7:54 pm

“I am so appreciative to Marc (Klaas) for getting me out of the house,” she said. “ I didn’t want to go anywhere. He made me go down to the civic center and meet some of the searchers.
Marc would not have done that for her had he not believed Billie is not involved in Hailee disappearance.
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Post by charminglane Wed Feb 02, 2011 8:07 pm

Thank you for coming over here, czgtz Couple Hugging
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Post by jeanne1807 Wed Feb 02, 2011 8:30 pm

Czgtz welcome aboard. Glad you accepted my invite.

I am sure we have a ton of questions and I am sure you love your friend.

I wish you could have joined us under better circumstances.

You will find we really care about children. That brought most of us here..starting with the Caylee Anthony case.

You will find us different from WS. I have been following along and know nobody. They just go on and on.

But I did notice you. You always answered the toughest questions respectfully. You always stood up for your friend. If you remember in my first pm to you I told you I respected that. Everybody needs a friend. Right now Billie, like her or not, needs a friend.

Look forward to hearing from you.

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Post by CritterFan1 Wed Feb 02, 2011 8:54 pm

Hello, Czgtz. Look fwd to reading your thoughts and comments, on this case and others.

Couple Hugging welcome2
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Post by gnreed Wed Feb 02, 2011 8:57 pm

I listened to Clint's radio interview tonight. He handled it very well and did a great job. I would like to see him address the media more often. But of course, he spends most of him time searching for his daughter.

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Post by Praying For Faith Wed Feb 02, 2011 9:28 pm

CritterFan1 wrote:Hello, Czgtz. Look fwd to reading your thoughts and comments, on this case and others.

Couple Hugging welcome2

I agree Welcome Czgtz

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gnreed wrote:I listened to Clint's radio interview tonight. He handled it very well and did a great job. I would like to see him address the media more often. But of course, he spends most of him time searching for his daughter.

Is there any text of his interview you could post gnreed?

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Post by gnreed Wed Feb 02, 2011 9:36 pm

I am working on it and will. Very down to earth interview. Didn't leave me guessing as to what he was talking about.
His G/F was also there and talked about Hailey. He talked highly of BD as a mother, but also stated he saw at least two cases of beer being carried into her residence on New Years Eve. (more like a party)

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Post by jeanne1807 Wed Feb 02, 2011 10:05 pm

I am listening right now. There is a long, long topic that is first on the broadcast about Patty Kreiger.

I wonder if there is a way to skip through that one?

Clint follows the Patty Kreiger topic.
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Post by czgtz Wed Feb 02, 2011 10:09 pm

Thanks to everyone else who has welcomed me. I have gone back and read through a few pages of this thread, but in all honesty, I probably will not read it from start to finish.

It is sometimes hard to answer questions - not because I am avoiding them (although there are some things I will not talk about), but because not only am I repeating what Billie has told me, but I am also going by what I have seen and heard firsthand... plus I have my own opinions also. I do try and differentiate between Billie said, I know, and I feel.

Lindamarie asked about the couches: I see that one of my posts has been brought over from another site. That is pretty much it. Billie didn't really pay much attention to the couch swap IMO. Rangers were there when her brother brought them over, it was not any kind of secret, and they sat in the back of the truck for lack of anywhere else to put them. I can guarantee that Billie was not thinking 'Oh good, I finally got a new couch.'

Many of you are wondering about Billie's flat affact and lack of emotion: Normally, Billie is very animated. She is one of the funniest people I know. Of course, right now there is not much to be animated about. She shows plenty of emotion, but not to the media. What y'all are seeing as a flat affact is IMO a tremendous effort to remain in control of her emotions. She does not like doing the interviews, and when they are over and the camera is turned off, you can literally see her kind of deflate and shrink. She continues with the interviews to keep Hailey's name in the media.

Rainbow asked about my feeling on Shawn: Honestly, I just dont know. I don't know him near as well as I know Billie. I go back and forth on his guilt. I hope that he did not have anything to do with Hailey's disappearance, because that would only compound Billie's pain to know that someone she loves hurt her daughter. Personally, I find it hard to believe that he could commit a crime and fool 11 law enforcement agencies - and yes, it is my personal belief that there is nothing but circumstancial evidence against him at this point. I think that by his own idiotic actions he has made himself look bad. I just don't know if he is evil. I could ramble all day long and not make up my mind about him. But I will say that Billie does not think that he could hurt one of her kids... and I have a hard time believing that she would be with someone who could.

Marc is one of the nicest men I have ever met. He is very good for Billie. He is in contact with her nearly daily.

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gnreed, Yes it is okay to post the link. Actually Wrap wants the link posted and the text that goes with it because sometime the text disappears.

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by jeanne1807 Today at 11:05 pm I am listening right now. There is a long, long topic that is first on the broadcast about Patty Kreiger.
Patty's daughter is a friend of someone I know. The family thinks the boyfriend is responsible for Patty's disappearance. I've been following this case, but it's gone cold.
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Post by Wrapitup Wed Feb 02, 2011 10:49 pm

jeanne1807 wrote:Wrap are you saying Billie's friend CZGTZ has been banned?

I wonder if we could get her over here. I think they can still get pm's. What say you?

I noticed she has not been posting. I don't know how accurate her information was but she was inside.
Jeanne, I thought you said she had been banned for "baiting". I must have mis-understood. She is here now and I want to thank you for inviting her! :thanks:
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Post by jeanne1807 Wed Feb 02, 2011 10:59 pm

BJ♥OR wrote:
by jeanne1807 Today at 11:05 pm I am listening right now. There is a long, long topic that is first on the broadcast about Patty Kreiger.
Patty's daughter is a friend of someone I know. The family thinks the boyfriend is responsible for Patty's disappearance. I've been following this case, but it's gone cold.

BJ it was pretty interesting about Patty. The boyfriend was only 41 and a Hells Angel and had been in prison. Patty was quite wealthy. Evidently the bf and Pattys deceased husband knew each other and he said he promisted to take care of her. Her son says no. They also say threats have been made to anybody wanting to give info.

Pretty interesting interview.
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Post by Wrapitup Wed Feb 02, 2011 11:01 pm

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by Wrapitup Today at 5:16 am I did not see that in the "press conference" at all.
Wrap, a video of the press conference is posted upthread. Go watch it.
by BJ♥OR on Mon Jan 31, 2011 8:01 pm
I watched it..what I meant was I did not see any emotions on BD. But now, it has been explained that she doesn't want to break down in front of the media. Maybe so, but I don't think I could help it. But, that's just me. I do NOT think BD is or was involved in any way. I cannot say the same for SA. There are so many women that think their bf would Never hurt them or their kids and it happens all the time. He seems extremely immature to me and BD doesn't. MOO (my opinion only).
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Post by jeanne1807 Wed Feb 02, 2011 11:09 pm

Just listened to Clint. He is really a distraught father. He really loves Hailey. He said David is his step son. First time I heard that. He also said Hailey is quite the active girl and a new suprise she is a Brown Belt. Wow that is pretty good for a little girl.

Clint said he is living in Snyder and sees David every couple of days. He said he is doing as well as expected.

He didn't say anything bad about Billie. He did say he didn't think Billie could ever hurt Hailey.

He said he has to get back to a job and support his family but he said he just can't stop looking for Hailey.

Wow.
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Post by Nama Wed Feb 02, 2011 11:32 pm

I really need to get my you know what together today. I'm not understanding a thing that anyone says. crazy3
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Post by Wrapitup Wed Feb 02, 2011 11:41 pm

LMAO, you and me both!!!!!!! chug
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Post by Nama Wed Feb 02, 2011 11:46 pm

Forget chug

Might get better faster if we both just :beer jumper:
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Post by czgtz Thu Feb 03, 2011 12:31 am

I had been accused of 'baiting' because I could not back up some things I said with a link from a media source, but I never got a ban. The owner did send me a message asking me to 'refrain from posting' for a couple of days until she could read my posts - evidently someone reported that I had said some very ugly things that I had not. I guess I am one of those people you either love or hate...

Although, strangely enough, ever since Billie was publicly cleared as a POI, several people who were her most vocal supporters have been banned. I have told all of them about VH. :muahaha: Maybe they will all come over here. Group Hug

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Post by Guest Thu Feb 03, 2011 1:06 am

czgtz wrote:Thanks to everyone else who has welcomed me. I have gone back and read through a few pages of this thread, but in all honesty, I probably will not read it from start to finish.

It is sometimes hard to answer questions - not because I am avoiding them (although there are some things I will not talk about), but because not only am I repeating what Billie has told me, but I am also going by what I have seen and heard firsthand... plus I have my own opinions also. I do try and differentiate between Billie said, I know, and I feel.

Lindamarie asked about the couches: I see that one of my posts has been brought over from another site. That is pretty much it. Billie didn't really pay much attention to the couch swap IMO. Rangers were there when her brother brought them over, it was not any kind of secret, and they sat in the back of the truck for lack of anywhere else to put them. I can guarantee that Billie was not thinking 'Oh good, I finally got a new couch.'

Many of you are wondering about Billie's flat affact and lack of emotion: Normally, Billie is very animated. She is one of the funniest people I know. Of course, right now there is not much to be animated about. She shows plenty of emotion, but not to the media. What y'all are seeing as a flat affact is IMO a tremendous effort to remain in control of her emotions. She does not like doing the interviews, and when they are over and the camera is turned off, you can literally see her kind of deflate and shrink. She continues with the interviews to keep Hailey's name in the media.

Rainbow asked about my feeling on Shawn: Honestly, I just dont know. I don't know him near as well as I know Billie. I go back and forth on his guilt. I hope that he did not have anything to do with Hailey's disappearance, because that would only compound Billie's pain to know that someone she loves hurt her daughter. Personally, I find it hard to believe that he could commit a crime and fool 11 law enforcement agencies - and yes, it is my personal belief that there is nothing but circumstancial evidence against him at this point. I think that by his own idiotic actions he has made himself look bad. I just don't know if he is evil. I could ramble all day long and not make up my mind about him. But I will say that Billie does not think that he could hurt one of her kids... and I have a hard time believing that she would be with someone who could.

Marc is one of the nicest men I have ever met. He is very good for Billie. He is in contact with her nearly daily.

Thanks for answering our questions so thoroughly and honestly, czgtz (I hope I didn't misspell that!). That is interesting to hear about Billie - I guess her lack of emotion is her way of expressing her grief about Hailey. It must be quite overwhelming to be in the media spotlight for so long!

As for Shawn, I guess we will all find out eventually if he had any involvement in Hailie's disappearance. The one "red flag" I have had about him, is why he went into work (the morning of Hailie's disappearance) for such a short time. He says he was fired or quit, but his supervisor said that he wasn't. Do you know if he is still working?

So glad to hear that Marc Klaas has been an encouragment & help to Billie - I'm sure she needed someone like that at this time. Billie says that she is looking for an "alive Hailie" - hopefully that is what we will find!! Fingers Crossed
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czgtz wrote:Thanks to everyone else who has welcomed me. I have gone back and read through a few pages of this thread, but in all honesty, I probably will not read it from start to finish.

It is sometimes hard to answer questions - not because I am avoiding them (although there are some things I will not talk about), but because not only am I repeating what Billie has told me, but I am also going by what I have seen and heard firsthand... plus I have my own opinions also. I do try and differentiate between Billie said, I know, and I feel.

Lindamarie asked about the couches: I see that one of my posts has been brought over from another site. That is pretty much it. Billie didn't really pay much attention to the couch swap IMO. Rangers were there when her brother brought them over, it was not any kind of secret, and they sat in the back of the truck for lack of anywhere else to put them. I can guarantee that Billie was not thinking 'Oh good, I finally got a new couch.'

Many of you are wondering about Billie's flat affact and lack of emotion: Normally, Billie is very animated. She is one of the funniest people I know. Of course, right now there is not much to be animated about. She shows plenty of emotion, but not to the media. What y'all are seeing as a flat affact is IMO a tremendous effort to remain in control of her emotions. She does not like doing the interviews, and when they are over and the camera is turned off, you can literally see her kind of deflate and shrink. She continues with the interviews to keep Hailey's name in the media.

Rainbow asked about my feeling on Shawn: Honestly, I just dont know. I don't know him near as well as I know Billie. I go back and forth on his guilt. I hope that he did not have anything to do with Hailey's disappearance, because that would only compound Billie's pain to know that someone she loves hurt her daughter. Personally, I find it hard to believe that he could commit a crime and fool 11 law enforcement agencies - and yes, it is my personal belief that there is nothing but circumstancial evidence against him at this point. I think that by his own idiotic actions he has made himself look bad. I just don't know if he is evil. I could ramble all day long and not make up my mind about him. But I will say that Billie does not think that he could hurt one of her kids... and I have a hard time believing that she would be with someone who could.

Marc is one of the nicest men I have ever met. He is very good for Billie. He is in contact with her nearly daily.

Thanks for answering some of our questions. I understand there will be questions you can't answer. Like the use of illegal drugs.
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Post by jeanne1807 Thu Feb 03, 2011 8:17 am

CGZTZ I thought something was up. I had been reading your posts at WS and then the Grandma lady said something on one of her posts and you were gone. So being gone the couple of days..explained it.

I think the "baiting" was when you briefly discussed the person that threatened Billie and Hailey and all the WSers wanted a name. You said no you could not do that. It was not yours to tell. And the crowd went wild.
Anyway I think that is what the "stink" was about.

I would love to know the connection and why LE did nothing. In my mind, trusting LE to do the right thing, I am thinking it meant nothing from a nothing person. But time will tell.

I don't think you should be the one to reveal that name.

Here is something that I have wondered about. When SA was talking. Actually I think it was one question he answered truthfully on his poly. When asked who they should look at and he said "both of us". I know he meant he and Billie.

Any comment?
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Post by jeanne1807 Thu Feb 03, 2011 8:24 am

CZGTZ comment taken out of context.
"Marc is one of the nicest men I have ever met. He is very good for Billie. He is in contact with her nearly daily."

You know I always wanted to know how Mark felt when he left CC. I think that means a lot that he is contacting her and supporting her efforts.

After listening to CD's interview last evening I got what I wanted. A truly grieving parent that was not afraid to let the world in on his pain and hurt.

I think that is something we have wanted to see from BD. But one can only give what one has to give.

I did see Hailey that was loved so much by her father. He called her daddys little girl.

Something else. Hailey was a Brown Belt. That means she was able to protect herself in a lot of ways other little girls couldn't.

Any thoughts on that?


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Post by gnreed Thu Feb 03, 2011 8:42 am

jeanne1807 wrote:CZGTZ comment taken out of context.
"Marc is one of the nicest men I have ever met. He is very good for Billie. He is in contact with her nearly daily."

You know I always wanted to know how Mark felt when he left CC. I think that means a lot that he is contacting her and supporting her efforts.

After listening to CD's interview last evening I got what I wanted. A truly grieving parent that was not allowed to let the world in on his pain and hurt.

I think that is something we have wanted to see from BD. But one can only give what one has to give.

I did see Hailey that was loved so much by her father. He called her daddys little girl.

Something else. Hailey was a Brown Belt. That means she was able to protect herself in a lot of ways other little girls couldn't.

Any thoughts on that?



I continue to believe Hailey was drugged. As you said, she would be able to put up a fight if being taken by force.
If BD and SA bought illegal narcotics in Snyder, I would like to know the type of drugs they purchased. I do not believe it was "prescription drugs" as BD is now claiming.

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Post by CritterFan1 Thu Feb 03, 2011 8:44 am

I would be drugged if my child were missing. I would not be able to function if the Dr did not give me anti anxiety medication if it were my child missing.
Re: whether it is RX drugs or illegal...LE would be able to check out her Rx's, with consent from her.
I pray that somehow she is alive.
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Post by czgtz Thu Feb 03, 2011 8:47 am

jeanne - It looks to me that is what Shawn meant. He claims that he never said that though. I am not defending him in anyway... just telling what he told me. On this particular point, I am sure that he did say something along those lines, but maybe not to as blunt of a question as is in the affidavits.

I will say that I have no doubt that LE has embellished things in the affidavits. Not saying that they lied. Not bashing them. But an affidavit is not gospel, it is the sworn testimony of an officer about what they know to be true to the best of their knowledge. So, depending on what or who they choose to believe, that can change at any time. It is only a tool to get a judge to grant a search warrant.

I have been around LE, judges, DAs, attorneys, and all of their paperwork since I was 14 (lol not because I am I criminal, but because of my mom's line of work). I am in no way claiming to be an expert about anything, but I feel like I have a fairly good grasp on how things work - around here anyway.

As far as thoughts on Hailey's brown belt..... I guess that doesn't change what I have always suspected, which is that if someone took Hailey, it was someone she was comfortable enough to get in a car with. She is not the kind of girl who would get in the car with a complete stranger. And it is hard for me to see her get in a car with anyone who is just an aquaintance, either, unless someone she knew well was also in that car.

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Post by gnreed Thu Feb 03, 2011 8:53 am

I meant to say, were the drugs purchased something like meth? If so, that drug can have very damaging effects on children. My employment requires me to work with drug offenders and I have seen all sorts of problems related to the use of the drug.

Also, numerous children have visited emergency rooms after smoking K2, which is a legal substance similiar to marijuana. Having the same effects but some children have had seizures after smoking it.

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Post by CritterFan1 Thu Feb 03, 2011 9:25 am

Is that the "herb" sold at head shops?? They r going to make it illegal here to sell it, it can really be abused.
Meth is bad stuff, from what I have heard and read. Do you think Hailey was drugged and did nopt know it, like in her soda or something???
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