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Post by Guest on Tue Feb 22, 2011 3:03 am

Rainbow wrote:Can anyone tell me what BBM means? :scratch:

I decided to answer my own question! I googled "BBM" and found this answer in the "urban dictionary":

BBM - To send a message to someone VIA BlackBerry Messenger. It could be a message using text, or could include a voice note as well as a picture. ("Did you get my BBM?")

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=BBM

Not sure if this is the meaning or not, but it sounds like it could be. Good night all - IAGTBN!! (I Am Going To Bed Now)

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Post by czgtz on Tue Feb 22, 2011 3:08 am

"NosyNeighbor"

Many of us are doing a helluva alot.. 1000 times more than Billie and we live hundreds of miles away..But use our brains and our pocketbooks to do all we can to help find Hailey.. God how I wish it were that Billie was doing all she could{over even 50% or hell even 2%..but nope she instead is hindering the search and acting like the bully kid..cuz seems as tho thats exactly what she is..

As I said many of us have done everything we could for Hailey.. We formed our own little Team Hailey and I invested and bought and made 22 Tshirts very similar to what is being sold on zazzle.. In varying colors and designs{will post pic below of a couple of the tshirts}.. My self..my family..as well as several of my wonderful clients and some of their kids and babies all donned our "Help Find Hailey" Tshirts proudly as we went thru and around Memphis and its suburbs handing out flyers..posting flyers..and speaking to everyone we came in contact with about who Hailey was..where and when she'd gone missing..that LE had a lead that led here to Memphis and here's what she looks like..please look around and take notice of all ppl around you when out and about or if by chance you have any info whatsoever related to Hailey Dunn please contact this #{which was also printed on the back of all of the Tshirts that I made..contact number}

The flyers were produced on paper donated to us by the RR my husband is a Trainmaster and we bought ink cartridges..My husband runs all the trains between Memphis and Little Rock..Ar so I was able to load up the engineers and conductors with Hailey flyers to distribute throughout areas between here and Little Rock.. and my Railroaders came thru for me big time..All coming back empty handed = Hailey's face..name..and info made its way to alot of places between here{Memphis} all the way to halfway to Colorado City Texas{i.e. Little Rock..AR}..

ALL OF THAT FOR next to nothing..and I sold 20 of Hailey's shirts for $10 donation that equaled $200 which as I said I then donated to Marc Klaas in Hailey Dunn's name for the purpose of searches for Hailey!So nope your statement again is untrue.. There are many of us who do a helluva alot more than sit around posting and much less sit and stare at whats being said about a woman that this shouldn't even be about..but nope BJD has made damn certain IT ALL ABOUT HER! ..her day will come tho..That I guarantee!

**here's Tshirt pix for anyone who'd like to see..Sold 20 of these to the ppl I mentioned above for a $10 donation made by each of them that got A "Help Find Hailey Tshirt"..and as I said I then donated the full $200 to Marc Klaas in Hailey's name.. My fav is the pink and hot pink Help find Hailey and then the other is just one of the white tshirt style with pic of Clint/ Hailey with Orange background and it says "Help Find This Daddy's "baby girl"~Hailey!
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nosy, I said that I was sure you had given all of your profits to Marc. I was simply trying to make the point that you were unsure about cat donating the profits without proof... you had the best of intentions also, but do you have proof? Beyond you yourself knowing that you did the right thing. Which in the grand scheme of things is all that matters.

As BBM, twice you said you sold the shirts, and then in your last post, in the last paragraph, you said "I didn't sell anything".

Anyway, look how mad you got just because I asked if you had proof. Just a question. You are talking about 'tit for tat'...... how do you think cat might have felt when you asked her the same question?

And the reason there was only 65 cents profit is because only two or three buttons were sold.

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Post by Wrapitup on Tue Feb 22, 2011 3:14 am

CZ, what does BBM mean???????

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Post by Nama on Tue Feb 22, 2011 3:14 am

Now I have to ask. cz, what does BBM mean?

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Post by czgtz on Tue Feb 22, 2011 3:15 am

BBM - bolded by me

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Post by truthbtold on Tue Feb 22, 2011 3:16 am

Rainbow wrote:
Rainbow wrote:Can anyone tell me what BBM means? :scratch:

I decided to answer my own question! I googled "BBM" and found this answer in the "urban dictionary":

BBM - To send a message to someone VIA BlackBerry Messenger. It could be a message using text, or could include a voice note as well as a picture. ("Did you get my BBM?")

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

Not sure if this is the meaning or not, but it sounds like it could be. Good night all - IAGTBN!! (I Am Going To Bed Now)

Nite Rainbow. BBM also means Bolded By Me - lots of time posters will bold the font of an interview, article or another person's post for emphasis. "BBM" ensures that those reading the post don't attribute the bolded emphasis to the original source.


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Post by Guest on Tue Feb 22, 2011 3:17 am

Thank you!! Here I thought it was "Black Berry Message" (according to the Urban Dictionary). One other definition was "Broke Back Mountain" (the movie), but that didn't sound correct.


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Post by czgtz on Tue Feb 22, 2011 3:20 am

nosy, you are correct, I had not been around Hailey much at all in the past few years. That doesn't mean that my heart is not breaking because she is missing.

And I never said that Billie and I were not close. I said that for the past few years we had not gotten to spend as much time together as we would have liked to. Doesn't mean that she is not one of my best friends.

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Post by Wrapitup on Tue Feb 22, 2011 3:21 am

Nite Rainbow. BBM also means Bolded By Me - lots of time posters will bold the font of an interview or article for emphasis and indicate "BBM" before their comments so those reading the post don't attribute the bolded emphasis to the original source.
We have never done that here, used BBM before (obviously, LOL). I am over this for the night. Let us all hope Hailey is found today!!!

Good night all!

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Post by Wrapitup on Tue Feb 22, 2011 3:22 am

Rainbow wrote:Thank you!! Here I thought it was "Black Berry Message" (according to the Urban Dictionary). One other definition was "Broke Back Mountain" (the movie), but that didn't sound correct.
ROFLMAO!!!!! ROFLMAO ROFLMAO ROFLMAO :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Post by Nama on Tue Feb 22, 2011 3:22 am

O/T (LOL) I loved the movie Broke Back Mountain. I found the original short story on the internet....had a terrible time as it had been removed from the every site by the time I got there. Finally found it on a site that sold clothing and I printed it for myself....very strange place to find it.

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Post by Wrapitup on Tue Feb 22, 2011 3:26 am

O/T (I always think of overtime) that is a great story. I also loved the movie.

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Post by NosyNeighbor on Tue Feb 22, 2011 4:17 am

BBM..you're correct that is one meaning but the meaning it has on posting boards means Bolded By Me and if you'll look up at the post they're quoting you'll see a portion of it has been Bolded..hehehe..yes I too remember I got stuck on BBM and went round and round in my head about what it could mean..another one was.IANAL.. I thought OMG why are they typing about anal???

It stands for I Am Not A Lawyer in discussing certain criminal and judicial matters and ppl are giving their opinions they'll put at the end a sort of disclaimer IANAL..lol

Re:cz- make of it what you'd like..read into it what you'd like.. mad because a person cannot comprehend a very simple situation understand that cat's business venture is 0% alike a group of ppl making shirts to hand out flyers in and my donating the money w/which they were reimbursing me? mad I am not ..its laughable because something is flying I guess right over your head..that is not my problem.. as I said it matters not what you think..you believe..or otherwise.. I do not care one way or the other..
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Post by Guest on Tue Feb 22, 2011 6:15 am

lisette wrote:I really don't understand why gnreed was so wrong in what he said...He said that he had verified with Wrap by PM that CZ's family had some dealings in drugs, not her specifically...And he said that it was his opinion that CZ knew about what had happened to Hailey. He said this in an angry outburst about the vigil fiasco. I believe that others have been just as accusatory in their recent posts without any reprimand. I personally have enjoyed gnreed's insightful posts with first-hand info about what is going on locally and hate to see him go. With that said, I appreciate CZ's willingness to come on here and answer most questions...Even if we might not agree with her viewpoint, she should not be attacked as ruthlessly as some have done this evening. I wish we could get back to a respectful dialogue. Being a Libra, this conflict is very unsettling to me...Well, that's my 2 cents worth and JMHO...Now, I'm going to duct and run

Wow I have been reading on this one thread for over an hour this morning. Out of all the posts I picked this one to quote because I agree with lisette. CZ should not be treated as badly as she has. I believe she was invited her by Jeanne. Was the invite so that people could slam her and her family? Why in the H*ll would her family be brought in to this? It has nothing to do with Hailey being missing. As far as banning someone one for posting things that can't be verified with a link then a whole bunch of people would have to be banned. This thread is getting way out of hand. This thread and the BS has cost me a friend/member that meant a lot to me already. I don't want to lose our loyal faithful members over this BS. I do think it is crap that TV's are being bought, and home remolding is going on when a young girl is missing is way hinky. I do happen to know a lot about depression and what Billie is doing does not fit with someone is experiencing depression. I feel bad that a dinner to honor those who have been searching was turned in to a war. That is sick. Poor Hailey. A quote from my good friend Laga "Hailey is still missing" can we get back to that please?
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Post by Guest on Tue Feb 22, 2011 7:26 am

Maybe im just an ol' school loyalist, but if the only way to have new members is to have everyone flip out on the ones who have been here since the beginning then no thank you.

I think this thread should be locked and updated only by admins. People can send in a PM to them with new information and the admins can sift through it before posting it so no more people end up offended.

If we dont fix it soon more people will be leaving, and i dont want that to happen. It would only take the 2 or 3 that are 'threatening' to do it for me to want to leave to. This thread can be better controlled.
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Post by PeterfromTexas on Tue Feb 22, 2011 7:56 am

sweets wrote:
PeterfromTexas wrote:
sweets wrote:
PeterfromTexas wrote:Sorry. First post here.
People who are depressed are not out buying themselves five foot, flat screen tvs and putting them in layaway. If you don't recognize the symptoms of depression, here they are:

-difficulty concentrating, remembering details, and making decisions
-fatigue and decreased energy
-feelings of guilt, worthlessness, and/or helplessness
-feelings of hopelessness and/or pessimism
-insomnia, early-morning wakefulness, or excessive sleeping
-irritability, restlessness
-loss of interest in activities or hobbies once pleasurable, including sex
-overeating or appetite loss
-persistent aches or pains, headaches, cramps, or digestive problems that do not ease even with treatment
-persistent sad, anxious, or "empty" feelings
-thoughts of suicide, suicide attempts

Nope. Shopping excursions do not fit in with simple OR Major Depression.



Hi Peter,

I am wondering if you are licensed /practised Md in behavioral sciences or is this the wiki version as there are many many more sx.
than you lisited and some are highly indiviualized depending upon a mulitude extinuating circumastances such as gender, enviromental, and socio-economic classes just to lisit a few.

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With the physician shortage, I am as close as many people will get. With the upcoming nationalized health care system, I may be the only provider that most will get to see.

Ummmmm OK then you know there are more sx's and shopping. spending money you don't have, gambling, ect. are all behavioral sx's of depression. JMO

Let me see if I can guess. u r a PA, RN or an insurance person of some sort as the insurance co. already have to approve whatever needs to be done whether the MD dx. and rx or not. I mean who would you rather have telling you what your POC is going to be ? jmo
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You are discussing symptoms of Bipolar Disorder not simple or Major Depresion. Are you telling us that Billie has Bipolar Disorder?

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Post by Guest on Tue Feb 22, 2011 8:01 am

Sassybtsweet wrote:Maybe im just an ol' school loyalist, but if the only way to have new members is to have everyone flip out on the ones who have been here since the beginning then no thank you.

I think this thread should be locked and updated only by admins. People can send in a PM to them with new information and the admins can sift through it before posting it so no more people end up offended.

If we dont fix it soon more people will be leaving, and i dont want that to happen. It would only take the 2 or 3 that are 'threatening' to do it for me to want to leave to. This thread can be better controlled.

This is something we may have to do. I will forward this post to the other admins for their opinion.
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Post by Wrapitup on Tue Feb 22, 2011 8:48 am

LM, I was not banning someone for posting w/out a link. You read that wrong.

But I do agree this thread is getting way out of control. And, yes..Jeanne did invite CZ. I do not like the way it went last night at all. CZ was not letting up nor was anyone else. I have unbanned grneed even though I agree LM, that if this record is not directly about CZ, it should not matter.

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Post by Guest on Tue Feb 22, 2011 8:53 am

Wrap you had to do something. Raine and BJ, Rainbow and some others like lisette did a great job of trying to keep this thread under control. Our long term and wonderful new members have to know what happened here last night should not have happened. We can get back on topic here or lock the thread.
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Post by Wrapitup on Tue Feb 22, 2011 9:01 am

I agree. I have said time and time again on this particular thread that I will not have members defaming other members. And it was tit for tat in here last night into the wee morning hours. It was horrible. This thread is about finding Hailey. Period. If it starts up again, I will have no choice but to lock this thread and I do NOT want to do that. But, I will not have good members wanting to go away.

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Post by Guest on Tue Feb 22, 2011 9:12 am

BTW if gnreed does not come back that does not make or break Victims Heartland. I appreciate the searching and the efforts. But the stuff being said is information that a person very close to the case knows. I don't like that someone knows exactly what criminal background there is on everyone that is involved. It is red flag to me.
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Post by pepperann on Tue Feb 22, 2011 9:55 am

I will take full responsibility for what transpired last night as I was the one who originally posted the information that "outed" czgtz and her true identity. The reason that I felt compelled to do that was because of the TV situation and her stating that Billie was not begging for donations, etc. My original post stated that Billie may not be begging for donations but it seemed to me that czgtz was on behalf of Billie. While I can't speak for others, I do think the problem that many have regarding czgtz is the fact that her stories change as regularly as Billie's do. If you have been through the Hailey threads at WS when she was a member there, you will see the same thing. I think people feel like they are being duped by her as well. I appreciate the fact that Billie is her friend and that she feels like she has to stand up for her. I honestly don't know what I would do in a similar situation, and I hope that none of us ever have to experience that. We are all frustrated to no end that Billie will not tell the truth, we are all frustrated to see her continued relationship with the person who has been named a suspect in her daughter's disappearance, we are all frustrated to see her redecorating her house or purchasing new electronics but most importantly, we are all frustrated that she won't lift a finger to help out with the searches or get out there and pound the pavement looking for her daughter. We find that she is ungrateful for the things that she has received as if people "owe" her something. Strangers are out there looking for Hailey, why isn't Billie but then she has the audacity to turn around and treat these people the way she has treated them. Obviously, she is profiting from her daughter's disappearance and that's just plain wrong. Again, I can't speak for anyone else other than myself but that's just my opinion on what I see happening.

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Post by Wrapitup on Tue Feb 22, 2011 10:03 am

I agree with all you said, pepperann, except the part about you taking full responsibility. I don't believe you should put that weight on your shoulders.

I think at this point, we all know the stakes here. Billie is not going to search for her daughter. She is going to spend her time decorating her home and seeing Shawn. CZ is not going to stop defending Billie..ever. I have said that before on this site.

We can rage about it until the cows come home but it will change nothing. Sadly.

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Post by Boston_Lady on Tue Feb 22, 2011 10:28 am

Wow, I guess I went to bed just as the explosion began. And I'm pooped ! So here I am at work, reading the board and feeling lots of differing emotions.

First, I didn't know how to copy another person's post/quote using the bubble thingy. So I did what I could to differentiate someone else's post from mine - I highlighted it in a different color and typed "xxx writes". Now that someone has explained how to actually do it, I will try that out! :cheering:

Next, I have to say that I'm wondering why cz (I'm tired of trying to get all the z's correct lol) has felt the need to defend Billie? If it were my friend, I would not even be online arguing/presenting my friend's point of view but rather I would be out looking for Hailey. Why does she even care what we think?

Last point. I agree, based on what I've read, that cz did misrepresent Billie and tried to paint a picture of the happy divorced family. Dad living across the street and Shawn just staying a few nights here and there. Puuuleaseeeeee. And when cz was asked to clarify what she said, she would become snarky. i.e. the way she inferred that Nosy could have kept the money for the t shirts.

It is certainly cz's right to not answer questions. But I was offended when she posted that people were talking in PM (which I didn't even know what that was until last night when it was stated) and had stated that her family was involved with drugs. It was only one person who made that claim on this board and that person was the only one who could respond. I have no idea about cz nor her family and drugs.

I do really need to do some work but just wanted to add my 1.5 cents!
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Post by PeterfromTexas on Tue Feb 22, 2011 10:41 am

NosyNeighbor wrote:
Originally Posted by czgtz
I could say the same thing about many of you. If those who are determined to crucify Billie spent one tenth of the amount of time concentrating on Hailey as trying to drag up dirt on Billie, maybe she would have been found by now.

Many of us are doing a helluva alot.. 1000 times more than Billie and we live hundreds of miles away..But use our brains and our pocketbooks to do all we can to help find Hailey.. God how I wish it were that Billie was doing all she could{over even 50% or hell even 2%..but nope she instead is hindering the search and acting like the bully kid..cuz seems as tho thats exactly what she is..

As I said many of us have done everything we could for Hailey.. We formed our own little Team Hailey and I invested and bought and made 22 Tshirts very similar to what is being sold on zazzle.. In varying colors and designs{will post pic below of a couple of the tshirts}.. My self..my family..as well as several of my wonderful clients and some of their kids and babies all donned our "Help Find Hailey" Tshirts proudly as we went thru and around Memphis and its suburbs handing out flyers..posting flyers..and speaking to everyone we came in contact with about who Hailey was..where and when she'd gone missing..that LE had a lead that led here to Memphis and here's what she looks like..please look around and take notice of all ppl around you when out and about or if by chance you have any info whatsoever related to Hailey Dunn please contact this #{which was also printed on the back of all of the Tshirts that I made..contact number}

The flyers were produced on paper donated to us by the RR my husband is a Trainmaster and we bought ink cartridges..My husband runs all the trains between Memphis and Little Rock..Ar so I was able to load up the engineers and conductors with Hailey flyers to distribute throughout areas between here and Little Rock.. and my Railroaders came thru for me big time..All coming back empty handed = Hailey's face..name..and info made its way to alot of places between here{Memphis} all the way to halfway to Colorado City Texas{i.e. Little Rock..AR}..

ALL OF THAT FOR next to nothing..and I sold 20 of Hailey's shirts for $10 donation that equaled $200 which as I said I then donated to Marc Klaas in Hailey Dunn's name for the purpose of searches for Hailey!

So nope your statement again is untrue.. There are many of us who do a helluva alot more than sit around posting and much less sit and stare at whats being said about a woman that this shouldn't even be about..but nope BJD has made damn certain IT ALL ABOUT HER! ..her day will come tho..That I guarantee!

**here's Tshirt pix for anyone who'd like to see..Sold 20 of these to the ppl I mentioned above for a $10 donation made by each of them that got A "Help Find Hailey Tshirt"..and as I said I then donated the full $200 to Marc Klaas in Hailey's name.. My fav is the pink and hot pink Help find Hailey and then the other is just one of the white tshirt style with pic of Clint/ Hailey with Orange background and it says "Help Find This Daddy's "baby girl"~Hailey!#3 - Hailey Dunn Missing in Colorado City, TX/  Search Affidavits - pages 4 and 21/  Billie denies knowledge of images of bestiality and child pornography on computer of Shawn Adkins, primary suspect, and memory stick found in Billie's home - Page 10 IMG_1506#3 - Hailey Dunn Missing in Colorado City, TX/  Search Affidavits - pages 4 and 21/  Billie denies knowledge of images of bestiality and child pornography on computer of Shawn Adkins, primary suspect, and memory stick found in Billie's home - Page 10 IMG_1514#3 - Hailey Dunn Missing in Colorado City, TX/  Search Affidavits - pages 4 and 21/  Billie denies knowledge of images of bestiality and child pornography on computer of Shawn Adkins, primary suspect, and memory stick found in Billie's home - Page 10 IMG_1504
Thank you, NosyNeighbor, for everything that you have done to find this missing child. With all the perverse people wandering around it is comforting to know that there are others that will go out of there way to help a teen that they have probably never met.

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Post by Boston_Lady on Tue Feb 22, 2011 10:43 am

czgtz:
Clearly, you don't fully grasp how narcotics are handled. Most hospitals have a PIXIS. And I have no idea about the policy of the hospital in Snyder, because I have never worked there. I have never heard of a facility that LVNs can't give narcotics. If you are in TX, why are you using LPN?

I have worked at hospitals and now I travel for business, in the medical field, and I have never seen where anyone with a degree lower than an RN could dispense narcotics. LVN/LPN. Only the Registered Nurse had the ability to do this.

And, yes, many hospitals now use pyxis/omnicell dispensing machines for their meds. The person pulling the med has to identify themselves via their badge/identification number and also the patient identifier is used to obtain the med.

I am going to take a look regarding dispensing narcotics in Texas and see if an LVN has some special ability. At the very least, I will ask the hospital I am working with in Texas to provide me with the steps for dispensing meds.



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Post by sweets on Tue Feb 22, 2011 11:11 am

PeterfromTexas wrote:
You are discussing symptoms of Bipolar Disorder not simple or Major Depresion. Are you telling us that Billie has Bipolar Disorder?

I guess she could be developing some of those sx. but not full blown BPD. Or she may be in the manic phase of BPD if she has been dx'ed w/this. I just see sx. of depression in a severe state but to what extent or actual definitive dx I am not sure. If she is in a manic stage then she will hit the down stage eventually and I hope someone is around that can help her at that time. I would not wish what her and CD are going through on anyone. I pray Hailey can be found soon one way or the other. All jmo.

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Post by sweets on Tue Feb 22, 2011 11:26 am

Wrapitup wrote:LM, I was not banning someone for posting w/out a link. You read that wrong.

But I do agree this thread is getting way out of control. And, yes..Jeanne did invite CZ. I do not like the way it went last night at all. CZ was not letting up nor was anyone else. I have unbanned grneed even though I agree LM, that if this record is not directly about CZ, it should not matter.

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Thankyou and all the admin/mods for trying to get us back on track. Last night reminded me of a tag team mentality w/the ganging up that was done on cz. I know everyone has a difference of opinion on this case and it really brings out the heat within all of us and we all feel strongly on our veiws of this case. But to me it seems it is more about BD than Hailey or anyone else and that is not right. CZ was invited here by some here and she has always answered everyone's ? as best she could imo. But that is JMO. I don't know her or BD but I do not beleive either had anything to do w/ Hailey's disappearance. I don't agree w/ BD's behavior but I don't know how I would react in that situtaion either and I pray to God I never have to find out. I know I am one of the new members her but if anyone wants to check my posts I use sweets nic almost everywhere I post. There are some they are fairly new here also that use different nics that I have posted w/ before and the type of posting that was seen last night is the same that has run several members off other sites.

I better stop before I say something I should not but I just hate to see someone cont. beat down..wrong or right...I can't help it.

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Post by PeterfromTexas on Tue Feb 22, 2011 12:03 pm

Boston_Lady wrote:
czgtz:
Clearly, you don't fully grasp how narcotics are handled. Most hospitals have a PIXIS. And I have no idea about the policy of the hospital in Snyder, because I have never worked there. I have never heard of a facility that LVNs can't give narcotics. If you are in TX, why are you using LPN?

I have worked at hospitals and now I travel for business, in the medical field, and I have never seen where anyone with a degree lower than an RN could dispense narcotics. LVN/LPN. Only the Registered Nurse had the ability to do this.

And, yes, many hospitals now use pyxis/omnicell dispensing machines for their meds. The person pulling the med has to identify themselves via their badge/identification number and also the patient identifier is used to obtain the med.

I am going to take a look regarding dispensing narcotics in Texas and see if an LVN has some special ability. At the very least, I will ask the hospital I am working with in Texas to provide me with the steps for dispensing meds.



RNs and LPN/LVNs both dispense narcotics. Perhaps you were witness to a specific hospital policy that did not allow LPNs/LVNs to dispense narcotics. In hospitals that still utilize LPNs/LVNs,, it is frequently the LPN/LVN that is passing the medications on floors when the nurses are not involved in primary care nursing.

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Post by PeterfromTexas on Tue Feb 22, 2011 12:06 pm

sweets wrote:
PeterfromTexas wrote:
You are discussing symptoms of Bipolar Disorder not simple or Major Depresion. Are you telling us that Billie has Bipolar Disorder?

I guess she could be developing some of those sx. but not full blown BPD. Or she may be in the manic phase of BPD if she has been dx'ed w/this. I just see sx. of depression in a severe state but to what extent or actual definitive dx I am not sure. If she is in a manic stage then she will hit the down stage eventually and I hope someone is around that can help her at that time. I would not wish what her and CD are going through on anyone. I pray Hailey can be found soon one way or the other. All jmo.

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Sadly, this is not accurate. There is a unipolar form where patients experience only mania.

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Post by Guest on Tue Feb 22, 2011 12:12 pm

PeterfromTexas I don't think I have welcomed you to VH yet.
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The unipolar mania you speak of.....I have seen it in people that were diagnosed as Bi-polar. With your experience I would like to hear what you have to say about some of the other cases on our board.
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Post by Boston_Lady on Tue Feb 22, 2011 12:29 pm

Okay, I surfed the net a bit and found this from the Texas Board of Nursing. In Texas, it depends upon the facility as to what the LVN's can dispense. In Mass, the LPN's are more restricted. They can dispense oral narcotics but cannot do any IVP's with meds. : have a nice day

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Administration of IV Fluids and Medications

The ability of a LVN to administer specific IV fluids or drugs, to prepare and/or administer IV "piggy-back" or IV "push" medications, or to monitor and titrate "IV drip" medications of any kind is up to facility policy. The LVN's practice relative to IV therapy must also comply with any other regulations that may exist under the jurisdiction of other regulatory agencies or entities. The LVN who accepts an assignment to engage in any aspect of intravenous therapy is responsible for adhering to the NPA and Board rules, particularly ยง217.11 Standards of Nursing Practice, including excerpted standards listed above and any other standards or rules applicable to the individual LVN's practice.

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As with other practice tasks, the Board cannot provide a list of medications, routes of administration, or other specific information that may be relevant to determining whether or not a task is within the scope of practice for a LVN. What is within the scope of practice for one LVN may not be within the scope of practice for another LVN. The following documents on the Board's web page may be helpful for a LVN concerned about his/her scope of practice for administration of medications or other nursing practices
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Post by sweets on Tue Feb 22, 2011 12:32 pm

PeterfromTexas wrote:
sweets wrote:
PeterfromTexas wrote:
You are discussing symptoms of Bipolar Disorder not simple or Major Depresion. Are you telling us that Billie has Bipolar Disorder?

I guess she could be developing some of those sx. but not full blown BPD. Or she may be in the manic phase of BPD if she has been dx'ed w/this. I just see sx. of depression in a severe state but to what extent or actual definitive dx I am not sure. If she is in a manic stage then she will hit the down stage eventually and I hope someone is around that can help her at that time. I would not wish what her and CD are going through on anyone. I pray Hailey can be found soon one way or the other. All jmo.

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Sadly, this is not accurate. There is a unipolar form where patients experience only mania.


Well that would explain some of her actions then I guess. Do you think it possible that she is displaying some of these sx. and may therefore just stay in a mania phase. believe me I am not trying to just give BD an excuse for any of her actions/reactions of any behavior she has displayed it is just so hard for me to comprehend that she could be a part of Hailey's demise. I see that she is not the best Mom in the world but I can't see her as being as evil as some want to portray her. Maybe I am just naive. Maybe she feels like SA is the only one who will stand by her and believe in her now as it does seem like everyone hates her. I realize she has brought this on herself but I just feel for her. JMO

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Post by CritterFan1 on Tue Feb 22, 2011 12:50 pm

Wrapitup wrote:I agree. I have said time and time again on this particular thread that I will not have members defaming other members. And it was tit for tat in here last night into the wee morning hours. It was horrible. This thread is about finding Hailey. Period. If it starts up again, I will have no choice but to lock this thread and I do NOT want to do that. But, I will not have good members wanting to go away.
No kidding, this is not a "BASH" forum, where we allow fighting on the open forum. It is stated when you first register, if you have a problem with someone, PM them. The two of you can throw stones at each other in the privacy of your PM. , if you find that you just "have" to throw stones. Wrap has been fair to all members, old and new. To do that, we all have to have respect for one another.
This site has always had an open policy re: comments. Comments are only deleted by moderators when they are accusatory, downright rude, hateful, or disrespecting this board. We have tried to have people here that are interested in the plights of the missing, the murdered, the abused, the victim. VH is not a place to have your pi$$ing contest. This is my opinion and I stick by it.
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Post by jeanne1807 on Tue Feb 22, 2011 12:52 pm

Wrapitup wrote:I agree with all you said, pepperann, except the part about you taking full responsibility. I don't believe you should put that weight on your shoulders.

I think at this point, we all know the stakes here. Billie is not going to search for her daughter. She is going to spend her time decorating her home and seeing Shawn. CZ is not going to stop defending Billie..ever. I have said that before on this site.

We can rage about it until the cows come home but it will change nothing. Sadly.

You pretty much did hit the nail on the head. Personally I did think that gnreed and CZ being close to the case would provide the truth. Not the rumors we have grown so used to reading on other sites.

Each of us, by now, have formed our own opinions based on our experiences and our education. I don't believe at this point we shall "win anybody over to our way of thinking".

So with that in mind I think to move forward in this topic we need to present information that we find and let it go at that.

Hopefully we did not lose any members last night. We have been together for a long time..adding along the way. I am really pleased to see now members here because of Hailey. I hope you can become a member of our family..not just now but forever.

If my words were hurtful I apologize. That is not me. I shall try to do better.
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Post by CritterFan1 on Tue Feb 22, 2011 12:59 pm

HelloPeterFromTexas. Glad to have you and nice to meet you.
Linda Marie, re: your comment up thread about red flags, the wind is really blowing around here(VH). My red flags are out and flying.
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Post by CritterFan1 on Tue Feb 22, 2011 1:07 pm

Jeanne, IMO, you are such a sage. You always see things fairly. I hope all of you new members will stick around and become part of a big family. It really becomes that, an internet family. I know I will never meet most of you, but I feel like I know some of you more than people in my real life world.
Is it legal to drug test a crime victim that has passed a poly? Or to drug test a POI?? I doubt it, unless u were arrested for drugs like the Cummings clan.
Drug tests might answer a lot of the questions asked re: behavior of some of the people involved.
Every diagnosis is bi-polar these days, just like in the 80's and 90's every child was supposed to have ADD. Being bi-polar is no excuse for every single thing. Darn, I need to get down off my soap box and let someone else post.
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Post by jeanne1807 on Tue Feb 22, 2011 1:11 pm

There is a saying and it goes like this. "Make new friends but keep the old. One is silver and the other gold."

So to all my silver and gold if I said anything to hurt your feelings I apologize.

I will say "I lost my mind" in the heat of the moment.

We have good people here. We are getting more good people here. We shall be around for a long time..please join us.

Who knows someday you might just "need a friend" and we will be here for you too.
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Post by Slys Hunny on Tue Feb 22, 2011 1:13 pm

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- NewsWest9 has learned that authorities are searching the Big Spring landfill right now in connection with the Hailey Dunn case.

Colorado City Police are being assisted by the Big Spring Police Department and the Howard County Sheriff's Office.

Several area landfills, including those in Snyder and Abilene, have already been searched as part of the investigation.

13-year-old Hailey Dunn was last seen on December 27th in Colorado City. No charges have been filed in the case, but her mother's boyfriend, Shawn Adkins, has been named a person of interest.

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Post by Boston_Lady on Tue Feb 22, 2011 1:23 pm

Thanks Slys ! I was just going to post this. Let's hope the police find something concrete which will lead to Hailey or lead to an arrest. crazy 1
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Post by samgoodwin on Tue Feb 22, 2011 1:27 pm

I don't want to quote posts and make the board longer, but I thought nosy neighbor did a wonderful job on making the shirts shown above for Hailey, it always amazes me when people who don't even know the missing child step up and do things like this. I feel it is very wrong for CZ to even hint that NN would have possibly not donated the money to Marc Klaas that people had donated to her for those shirts. IMO, this is a case of judging others by how they themselves would act.

I am new to this board and haven't posted much, and I realize you invited cz here to give you local info. But it seems to me cz is doing nothing but defending Billie (and furthering her changing stories), and not really giving any other local info that would actually help find Hailey. We've heard about the red car, SA being back at Billie's house, and the other local info all from other local searchers. cz has not volunteered any info that might make Billie look bad. I guess I wish if cz is going to continue posting here, she'd quit making all her posts be about making Billie look good and protecting Billie's "reputation" and concentrate more on helping find Hailey. The best thing cz could do as a friend to Billie is to encourage her to take a new lie detector test with the FBI, so she can clear herself and everyone can quit focusing on Billie and get back to finding Hailey. JMO.
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Post by Slys Hunny on Tue Feb 22, 2011 1:28 pm

Sorry LM I just came back to see if it worked I was having a sneezing fit while posting and had a feeling something didnt look right with it. I have dial up so have to refresh to get back. Im old and slow and so is my computer
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Post by Nama on Tue Feb 22, 2011 1:34 pm

Dogs are searching the landfill in Big Spring this afternoon looking for clues in the disappearance of Hailey Dunn, according to Colorado City city manager Pete Kampfer.

Investigators are searching the landfill as part of the elimination process of search areas.

The search may be related to follow ups on a combination of both new leads and old leads, Kampfer said.

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Post by jeanne1807 on Tue Feb 22, 2011 1:38 pm

I thought I was mistaken when they said "landfills". I guess not. I know they said based on tips but I wonder if Mark Klass and Laura recovery..and not forgetting Amber might have suggested that to them.

Makes me sad to think Hailey could have been there all this time.

I want to find her..but I don't. If that makes sense.
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Post by Boston_Lady on Tue Feb 22, 2011 1:39 pm

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The search may be related to follow ups on a combination of both new leads and old leads, Kampfer said.

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Do you think they have more information from the cell phone pings to narrow down their search? Didn't they search this area before?
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Here is the link on this breaking news. Sly the link you posted did not work for me. Thank you for posting the update.

Thank you :cheering: Finally some news and a new search..........pls let this bring Hailey home and bring her justice, she sure deserves it. Praying hard now:)
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Post by Slys Hunny on Tue Feb 22, 2011 1:43 pm

They have searched other landfills but I dont think this was one of them. I could very well be wrong though.
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