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Post by gnreed Sun Feb 27, 2011 7:02 pm

The northern part of Colorado City is being evacuated due to a fire. This will certainly destroy any evidence that was not found during searches.
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Post by Wrapitup Sun Feb 27, 2011 7:06 pm

Are homes w/in CC being evacuated or does the Northern part encompass the "ugly" areas where the searchers were?

Thanks for the update!
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Post by truthbtold Sun Feb 27, 2011 7:22 pm

gnreed,

Thanks for the update. Is there any information as to the cause of the fire (arsen, accident...)?

Also, if you have any sense of the local climate since the electronic evidence was released, I'm kinda curious! TIA..

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Post by gnreed Sun Feb 27, 2011 7:30 pm

No word yet on the cause of the fire. We have been under alert for possible fires due to dry weather and high winds.
I have just returned home from Fort Worth and haven't really talked to anyone yet.

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Post by gnreed Sun Feb 27, 2011 7:32 pm

Wrapitup wrote:Are homes w/in CC being evacuated or does the Northern part encompass the "ugly" areas where the searchers were?

Thanks for the update!

The area so far is where the search first started. Just north of CC. I will get an exact location when I can.

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Post by truthbtold Sun Feb 27, 2011 7:52 pm

jeanne1807 wrote:"Adkins arrived at his work in Snyder, about 25 miles north of Colorado City, by 6 a.m. on Dec. 27. Witnesses said Adkins bought a couple items from a vending machine, “looked right through” a supervisor without speaking, then promptly left at 6:10 a.m., according to the affidavits. In a later interview, the supervisor called Adkins a good employee, said he hadn’t been fired and said Adkins left without saying a word 10 minutes after arriving that morning."

Reading this today up thread and it hit me. I always wondered at his particular behavior that morning.

He was higher than a kite!

I bet you're right Jeanne - he was high. That would explain his inability to act even remotely normal. Wonder if he was high on drugs, or high on an adrenalin rush from something he just heard or had recently done. Maybe both. Hmmm....
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Post by jeanne1807 Sun Feb 27, 2011 7:58 pm

gnreed wrote:The northern part of Colorado City is being evacuated due to a fire. This will certainly destroy any evidence that was not found during searches.
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Sorry to be graphic but I don't think bones would burn. But this could open a whole new search area. With all the brush gone bones could be spotted easier.

Could be a blessing in disguise. They come in all kinds of packages. I'm just saying.
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Post by gnreed Sun Feb 27, 2011 8:23 pm

I just heard (via the scanner) the fire is approaching the land fill just north of the city. It's the landfill that was searched awhile back. This is directly between C-City and SA's grandmother's residence, close to FM 208.

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Post by bringthemhome Sun Feb 27, 2011 8:34 pm

gnreed wrote:I just heard (via the scanner) the fire is approaching the land fill just north of the city. It's the landfill that was searched awhile back. This is directly between C-City and SA's grandmother's residence, close to FM 208.

Thanks for the reports Gneed~I heard it on the news earlier today, but had no clue it was that close to Ccity until I read it on FB......pls be careful
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Post by truthbtold Sun Feb 27, 2011 8:46 pm

I was going to ask if we should put together a list of questions for Billie's live chat Q&A tomorrow night (assuming she doesn't cancel). Getting the sense few of us would believe any answers she gives based on her track record! But, I'm learning that maybe the value of the answer depends on the structure of the question. I think samgoodwin and the statement analyzer pasted up-thread give good advice about what types of questions render the most valuable answers (if I understand correctly): no compound questions - one point at a time; leave them open-ended and don't feed answers into the question; don't ask "true or false" or "mutiple choice" type questions...

Billie will likely have a list of topics that she won't discuss as a condition to this 2 hour session (for which I suspect she is being paid). I'm guessing the conditions will prohibit questions pertaining to donations or anything related to sex or pornography. They won't be tough questions, imo. Maybe we could still gain some insight if we ask the right type of questions?

Given these parameters, I think I'd ask the following questions for clues in building/refining theories about what happened to sweet Hailey:

1. Billie, why did Shawn decide to pay an unannounced visit to his grandmother at 6:15 a.m. on Monday 12/27 a.m.?

Note: Shawn claimed he went to his mom's in Big Spring after he quit his job on 12/27. After the cell phone records were released showing that he was pinging off the tower that services Billie's house for at least 21 minutes (6:35 to 6:56 am), he and Billie told us that he remembered he had gone to his grandma's house in Dunn that morning (located between his workplace in Snyder and Billie's house in CCity). Grandma wasn't home, but that's why Shawn initially headed off in the opposite direction of his mom's house and ended up driving "through CCity" to catch the I-20 to his mom's house in Big Spring...

2. Who visited your home during the day and night of Sunday, December 26th?

3. We understand Hailey was a hard-working student; why did you tell her not to leave the house on her Christmas break from school?

Anybody have other questions that might actually make it past the moderators?





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Post by jeanne1807 Sun Feb 27, 2011 8:50 pm

Here is a question I would love to have answered.

Hailey and MB were only casual friends. They were in cheerleading together. Haileys two best friends were..xx and xx.

Did you find it strange she would be spending the night with a casual friend she had never spent the night with before?
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Post by truthbtold Sun Feb 27, 2011 9:04 pm

jeanne1807 wrote:Here is a question I would love to have answered.

Hailey and MB were only casual friends. They were in cheerleading together. Haileys two best friends were..xx and xx.

Did you find it strange she would be spending the night with a casual friend she had never spent the night with before?

I would love to hear the answer to that question.

Personally, I think Billie wanted to point the finger at MB's mom because she was pizzed that Mrs. Garcia called her out on lack of supervision and forbade MB from staying overnight at Billie's anymore. Bet Mrs. Garcia is relieved as heck that she laid down the law about that, given all we now know was going on in Billie's house...
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Post by truthbtold Sun Feb 27, 2011 9:11 pm

charminglane wrote:I hope all of LE's POI have been accounted for today.

You always say so much in so few words! I wish I had that gift.

I hope so too, btw... These folks in Billie's and Shawn's lives (including themselves) have me very suspicious... I also think LE should review the portion of the search video that caused Billie Jean so much anguish...
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Post by truthbtold Sun Feb 27, 2011 9:26 pm

Wrapitup wrote:I want to know if Billie w/take another poly to clear her name.

Me too! I'll add it to the list. "When will you be taking another polygraph test, Billie?". Perfect.
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Post by janie Sun Feb 27, 2011 9:29 pm

I would like to know what time David came home from spending the night at his friend's house. I wonder if Sunday night was the last time he saw Hailey.


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Post by truthbtold Sun Feb 27, 2011 9:39 pm

janie wrote:I would like to know what time David came home from spending the night at his friend house. I wonder if Sunday night was the last time he saw Hailey.

Never even thought about that, great question:

"Billie, did David come home from his Sunday night sleepover and see Hailey anytime on Monday, 12/27?"
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Post by truthbtold Sun Feb 27, 2011 10:19 pm

I'm on the West Coast PST. I'll rush home tomorrow and make sure that we can at least post these questions for the live chat Q&A. If they don't get addressed, at least we tried. Hailey deserves the effort!

1. Billie, we understand that you were not originally aware Shawn had quit his job on Monday 12/27 and he has since explained the situation. Can you please tell us Shawn's reason for paying an unannounced visit to his grandmother at 6:15 a.m. on that day?
2. Billie, did it strike you as odd that Hailey would be spending the night with MaryBeth, a casual cheerleading friend at whose house she had never spent the night before?
3. Billie, who visited your home during the day and night of Sunday, December 26th?
4. Billie, we respect and appreciate that you want to move the investigation forward. Can you confirm when you will be taking another polygraph test?.
5. Billie, we understand that your son David slept away from the home on Sunday, 12/26. It hasn't been stated as to when he first returned from the sleepover. Can you tell us exactly when was the last time that David saw his sister Hailey?
6. Billie, we understand that Hailey was a hard-working student and you were very proud of her. Can you tell us why you told her not to leave the house on her Christmas break from school?

If anyone wants to add questions or suggest better phrasing of the existing questions, please do...

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Post by Boston_Lady Sun Feb 27, 2011 10:22 pm

Well just catching up from being away has taken quite some time ! So many interesting things in the posts and I want to comment but then I read another and I forget about the previous post ! So I will just comment on what I remember thinking

First, I watched the homemade video that Shawn & company made. Evil and creepy. This was the second time I've view it and this time I noticed that Billie Dunn is actually in the video. It's about the 1:50 ish time on the video. Was that there before?

If that is her in the video, it speaks volumes. Billie cannot claim she doesn't know about Shawn's creepy obsession.

The next thing:

I want families to be able to pay their mortgage, pay their car payment, pay their insurance," Thompson said.

Thompson said the foundation talks with police first to make sure the custodial parent receiving the money is not involved in their child's disappearance. She said grants are based on financial need.


First, I thought Billie's car and house were paid for? Clint had stated she made the last payment on the house some months ago. And, Billie had money coming in from work. What money did she need? Paint money? Big screen 55 inch tv? I don't think that Thompson really checked into Billie's situation. And I would highly doubt that the police would tell Thompson that Billie was completely clear. I don't think they would tell a stranger anything.

Lastly, I think both Shawn and Billie are guilty. They have lied and omitted things almost every time they speak. David Dunn stated that he left Sunday night at 9pm and Hailey was playing X Box in the LIVING ROOM. David also stated that at the level Hailey played the game, she would be playing until midnite. And yet, Billie said Hailey was in her room watching tv at 10pm. (I know Hailey could have given up on the game but this is something that police can check for times)

In Billie's 1/31 time line, she told Hailey goodnite at 10pm and went to bed. Billie didn't say where Shawn was or if he also went to bed. It is my feeling that the 10pm time frame is significant and something happened to Hailey then. Billie saying she looked in on Hailey to ease her mind at 6:20 the next morning is odd. First statement she said it was dark in Hailey's room. The 1/31 statement she said the tv was on in Hailey's room which would indicate the room wasn't dark.

As a parent with children who had a tv in their room, if I saw it on at 6:20 am and they were sleeping, I would have shut it off. I would have also made sure they were tucked in and covered up. Billie clearly didn't want to touch Hailey. And then in her 1/31 time line she said missed Hailey and wanted to touch her beautiful face. I think this statement is significant.

Ok.. enough of my rambling. I just hope and pray that they find Hailey and they arrest Billie and Shawn for at the very least, Child Pornography. I think once they are arrested, they will turn on each other and the truth will come out.
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Post by truthbtold Sun Feb 27, 2011 10:45 pm

Boston_Lady wrote:Well just catching up from being away has taken quite some time ! So many interesting things in the posts and I want to comment but then I read another and I forget about the previous post ! So I will just comment on what I remember thinking

First, I watched the homemade video that Shawn & company made. Evil and creepy. This was the second time I've view it and this time I noticed that Billie Dunn is actually in the video. It's about the 1:50 ish time on the video. Was that there before?

If that is her in the video, it speaks volumes. Billie cannot claim she doesn't know about Shawn's creepy obsession.

The next thing:

I want families to be able to pay their mortgage, pay their car payment, pay their insurance," Thompson said.

Thompson said the foundation talks with police first to make sure the custodial parent receiving the money is not involved in their child's disappearance. She said grants are based on financial need.


First, I thought Billie's car and house were paid for? Clint had stated she made the last payment on the house some months ago. And, Billie had money coming in from work. What money did she need? Paint money? Big screen 55 inch tv? I don't think that Thompson really checked into Billie's situation. And I would highly doubt that the police would tell Thompson that Billie was completely clear. I don't think they would tell a stranger anything.

Lastly, I think both Shawn and Billie are guilty. They have lied and omitted things almost every time they speak. David Dunn stated that he left Sunday night at 9pm and Hailey was playing X Box in the LIVING ROOM. David also stated that at the level Hailey played the game, she would be playing until midnite. And yet, Billie said Hailey was in her room watching tv at 10pm. (I know Hailey could have given up on the game but this is something that police can check for times)

In Billie's 1/31 time line, she told Hailey goodnite at 10pm and went to bed. Billie didn't say where Shawn was or if he also went to bed. It is my feeling that the 10pm time frame is significant and something happened to Hailey then. Billie saying she looked in on Hailey to ease her mind at 6:20 the next morning is odd. First statement she said it was dark in Hailey's room. The 1/31 statement she said the tv was on in Hailey's room which would indicate the room wasn't dark.

As a parent with children who had a tv in their room, if I saw it on at 6:20 am and they were sleeping, I would have shut it off. I would have also made sure they were tucked in and covered up. Billie clearly didn't want to touch Hailey. And then in her 1/31 time line she said missed Hailey and wanted to touch her beautiful face. I think this statement is significant.

Ok.. enough of my rambling. I just hope and pray that they find Hailey and they arrest Billie and Shawn for at the very least, Child Pornography. I think once they are arrested, they will turn on each other and the truth will come out.

good post And I hope you're right about them turning on each other; I fear that's the only way Hailey will be found. Such a big window of time between when she was last seen in her home and when her mother reported her missing. So many old abandoned wells and such in the area. We need hard core pressure on the suspects and a confession to find sweet Hailey, imo...

Good night all.. Peace to Hailey, wherever she may be...
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Post by sweets Sun Feb 27, 2011 11:16 pm

Hi Everyone,

I just have a couple of thoughts/questions I would like to throw out for comment if any would like to give their feedback. Can anyone think of a REAL good reason LE will not let TES come in. I know they have been asked several times and fairly early on. The cordinator (sp) ( I want to say her name was Cherly or Sherry but am not real sure) but she has stated that they were ready to come in and they were first told that the search area was too big and since then they have just been told to stand down for now by LE. I don't understand why they could not just come in and start small grid searches like the local searchers are doing. It is just confusing to me plus it looks like it would take less taxpayers money and LE 's time to let them come in.

I also saw that a group out of Ca. called SoCal SAR that have highly traines dogs were prepared to come in last week and they were told byLE again just before they were ready to leave for CC not to come. I guess I am missing something but it seems like they would want all the free and highly qualified help they could get.

Also Wrap, I thought I understood you to mention in past posts that you were a PI or worked in the past in some way in that area so I was wondering what is your opinion on the family hiring a PI to come in and investigate from beginning like a fresh start with fresh eyes. Just trying to think of some ways to help find Hailey. I like all of you just want her found. All jmo.
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Post by truthbtold Sun Feb 27, 2011 11:18 pm

These fires are seriously dangerous, especially near CCity. To all of the locals reading and/or posting, wishing you and your loved ones safety....

Reported by: Bigcountryhomepage.com Staff Reports
Sunday, February 27 2011
Sunday, 10:05 p.m. Update:
Evacuations have been called off as fire crews get a better handle on the blaze. Pete Kampfer tells bigcountryhomepage.com things now appear to be better under control.
Interstate 20 is now reopened.

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The Texas Forest Service estimates 5,000 acres were torched. It's unclear exactly how many structures burned.

Sunday, 8:55 p.m. Update:
Authorities did not have to evacuated Mitchell County Hospital due to a wind change.

The Colorado City Civic Center will be opened as a shelter.

Sunday, 8:25 p.m. Update:
Bigcountryhomepage.com crews on the scene report the Days Inn motel in Colorado City is now on fire.

I-20 appears to be reopen to westbound traffic. However, drivers are unable to exit and enter Colorado City.

Sunday, 8:05 p.m. Update:
Texas DPS just released the following statement concerning the closure of Interstate 20:

Interstate 20 is closed at this time at mile post 219, Colorado City in Mitchell County because of the heavy amount of smoke crossing the interstate. The smoke has caused several crashes in that area.

At present, there are several fires located around the Big Country. The most problematic area for travelers is the one located in Mitchell County near Colorado City, Texas.

Sunday, 7:40 p.m. Update:
The Texas Forest Service says there are two fires in Mitchell County. The one threatening Colorado City has burned 2,500 acres. The other one, labeled below by the Forest Service as the "821" Fire, burned 2,500 acres on the edge of Mitchell and Howard Counties.

Mitchell County Hospital in Colorado City is currently preparing to evacuate residents as needed.

The fire threatening the town is not contained.

Sunday, 7:25 p.m. Update:
Law enforcement is in the process of shutting down portions of I-20 near Colorado City due to the fire, according to crews on the scene.

Sunday, 7:15 p.m. Update:
Law enforcement believes the fire has jumped Interstate 20 in Colorado City.

Sunday, 6:30 p.m. Update:
Pete Kampfer, City Manager of Colorado City, is starting to order evacuations starting with the northern part of town.

Crews on the scene tell us a motel may be threatened.

Sunday, 6:15 p.m. Update:
The Texas Department of Public Safety reports I-20 is closed in Big Spring due to wildfires.

Sunday, 6:00 p.m. Update:
Bigcountryhomepage.com's Cody McDonell is covering the Mitchell County fire and reports the blaze has approached the Colorado City landfill. He reports the fire is moving South.

Though it appears local authorities have evacuated some homes along the fire line, no official evacuation has been announced.

Sunday, 4:00 p.m. Update:
The Texas Forest Service is currently battling blazes in-and-around the Big Country in the following locations:

Haskell County -- McClellen Fire -- The request for assistance came at 1:10 p.m. Fire size is 100 acres. Four Texas Forest Service bulldozers have responded. The location is FM 142 and FM 600. An unoccupied home was destroyed and several out buildings. Five volunteer departments have responded.

Mitchell County -- "821" Fire -- N 32 05.793 W 101 10.101 -- This fire started in Howard County and burned in to Mitchell County. The Texas Forest Service has responded with bulldozers. The fire is in the general location of the Garrett Ranch. One local firefighter has been injured with second degree burns. All power in the area is being shut down due to power lines on the ground. Three large oil storage tanks have been destroyed. Due to extreme poor visibility there have been multiple vehicle accidents. So far 2 homes and 1 outbuilding have been destroyed. Size is estimated to be 800 acres.

Howard County -- Hill Top Fire -- N 32 16.651 W 101 27.933 -- This 30 acre fire has been contained. Four occupied homes were lost. TFMAS resources were committed to this fire. A request for assistance came at 2:38 p.m.


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Post by Wrapitup Mon Feb 28, 2011 12:09 am

sweets wrote:Hi Everyone,

I just have a couple of thoughts/questions I would like to throw out for comment if any would like to give their feedback. Can anyone think of a REAL good reason LE will not let TES come in. I know they have been asked several times and fairly early on. The cordinator (sp) ( I want to say her name was Cherly or Sherry but am not real sure) but she has stated that they were ready to come in and they were first told that the search area was too big and since then they have just been told to stand down for now by LE. I don't understand why they could not just come in and start small grid searches like the local searchers are doing. It is just confusing to me plus it looks like it would take less taxpayers money and LE 's time to let them come in.
I guess I am missing something but it seems like they would want all the free and highly qualified help they could get.

Also Wrap, I thought I understood you to mention in past posts that you were a PI or worked in the past in some way in that area so I was wondering what is your opinion on the family hiring a PI to come in and investigate from beginning like a fresh start with fresh eyes. Just trying to think of some ways to help find Hailey. I like all of you just want her found. All jmo.
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Sweets ,when you say TES, do you mean Texas Equasearch? If that was what you meant, I don't believe we have had any type of confirmation why they did not come to search. I know nothing at all about any group out of CA that was to come in with dogs. Where did you hear that?

When you say "family", do you mean Billie, Shawn, Clint or all 3? I think if they want to hire a PI, more power to them but they can be expensive and I doubt very seriously any of them have that kind of money.
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Post by sweets Mon Feb 28, 2011 12:59 am

Wrapitup wrote:
sweets wrote:Hi Everyone,

I just have a couple of thoughts/questions I would like to throw out for comment if any would like to give their feedback. Can anyone think of a REAL good reason LE will not let TES come in. I know they have been asked several times and fairly early on. The cordinator (sp) ( I want to say her name was Cherly or Sherry but am not real sure) but she has stated that they were ready to come in and they were first told that the search area was too big and since then they have just been told to stand down for now by LE. I don't understand why they could not just come in and start small grid searches like the local searchers are doing. It is just confusing to me plus it looks like it would take less taxpayers money and LE 's time to let them come in.
I guess I am missing something but it seems like they would want all the free and highly qualified help they could get.

Also Wrap, I thought I understood you to mention in past posts that you were a PI or worked in the past in some way in that area so I was wondering what is your opinion on the family hiring a PI to come in and investigate from beginning like a fresh start with fresh eyes. Just trying to think of some ways to help find Hailey. I like all of you just want her found. All jmo.
thanks
jmo
sweets
Sweets ,when you say TES, do you mean Texas Equasearch? If that was what you meant, I don't believe we have had any type of confirmation why they did not come to search. I know nothing at all about any group out of CA that was to come in with dogs. Where did you hear that?

When you say "family", do you mean Billie, Shawn, Clint or all 3? I think if they want to hire a PI, more power to them but they can be expensive and I doubt very seriously any of them have that kind of money.
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This is the pg for SoCal. I am looking for the info on TES (yes Texas Equisearch). On the PI expense, I am sure it is really expensive but maybe everyone in both families could help as well as the ones who have been donating could also donate directly to an acct for the PI, especially since so many are wanting to do something but do not want to donate actual money to BD or CD. Also maybe some of the reward money could be used. I don't know , I was just trying to think outside the box so to speak. Be back in a few w/ the TES info hopefully. JMO

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Post by Wrapitup Mon Feb 28, 2011 1:13 am

Sweets, there is no need to send me any info on Tim Miller and TES. I am very familiar with him and his search team's record. Most of us here on the board became familiar with TES during the early days before Caylee Anthony's skeletal remains were found.

In all honesty, I think Hailey's mother and her "boyfriend" know what happened to Hailey. If I was not convinced early on, I am most definitely convinced since Thursday night when the press released the information about the deviant child porn and beastiality found on Shawn's mother's computer, a CD and a memory stick which was found in BD's dresser drawer.

The family doesn't have this kind of money for a PI. They would be better off hiring an attorney (at least, Billie would) as IMO, she and Shawn are going down.
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‎"The thought of Hailey missing is hard. I've been with her father,Clint, in the back of this room talking with him and he's a strong man."~Leon Lett, former Dallas Cowboy

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Post by samgoodwin Mon Feb 28, 2011 1:26 am

truthbtold wrote:I'm on the West Coast PST. I'll rush home tomorrow and make sure that we can at least post these questions for the live chat Q&A. If they don't get addressed, at least we tried. Hailey deserves the effort!

1. Billie, we understand that you were not originally aware Shawn had quit his job on Monday 12/27 and he has since explained the situation. Can you please tell us Shawn's reason for paying an unannounced visit to his grandmother at 6:15 a.m. on that day?
2. Billie, did it strike you as odd that Hailey would be spending the night with MaryBeth, a casual cheerleading friend at whose house she had never spent the night before?
3. Billie, who visited your home during the day and night of Sunday, December 26th?
4. Billie, we respect and appreciate that you want to move the investigation forward. Can you confirm when you will be taking another polygraph test?.
5. Billie, we understand that your son David slept away from the home on Sunday, 12/26. It hasn't been stated as to when he first returned from the sleepover. Can you tell us exactly when was the last time that David saw his sister Hailey?
6. Billie, we understand that Hailey was a hard-working student and you were very proud of her. Can you tell us why you told her not to leave the house on her Christmas break from school?

If anyone wants to add questions or suggest better phrasing of the existing questions, please do...


These sound good to me, TBT. I think on the first question, you may want to leave off the first sentence. It would likely distract Billie, and she'd answer something about how, yes, Shawn already explained that and she'd just ignore the second half of the question. Maybe just ask, "Can you please tell us Shawn's reason for paying an unannounced visit to his grandmother at 6:15 a.m. on 12/27?" (Although I'm sure she'll just answer most questions with "I dunno."
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Post by sweets Mon Feb 28, 2011 1:27 am

sweets wrote:
Wrapitup wrote:
sweets wrote:Hi Everyone,

I just have a couple of thoughts/questions I would like to throw out for comment if any would like to give their feedback. Can anyone think of a REAL good reason LE will not let TES come in. I know they have been asked several times and fairly early on. The cordinator (sp) ( I want to say her name was Cherly or Sherry but am not real sure) but she has stated that they were ready to come in and they were first told that the search area was too big and since then they have just been told to stand down for now by LE. I don't understand why they could not just come in and start small grid searches like the local searchers are doing. It is just confusing to me plus it looks like it would take less taxpayers money and LE 's time to let them come in.
I guess I am missing something but it seems like they would want all the free and highly qualified help they could get.

Also Wrap, I thought I understood you to mention in past posts that you were a PI or worked in the past in some way in that area so I was wondering what is your opinion on the family hiring a PI to come in and investigate from beginning like a fresh start with fresh eyes. Just trying to think of some ways to help find Hailey. I like all of you just want her found. All jmo.
thanks
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sweets
Sweets ,when you say TES, do you mean Texas Equasearch? If that was what you meant, I don't believe we have had any type of confirmation why they did not come to search. I know nothing at all about any group out of CA that was to come in with dogs. Where did you hear that?

When you say "family", do you mean Billie, Shawn, Clint or all 3? I think if they want to hire a PI, more power to them but they can be expensive and I doubt very seriously any of them have that kind of money.
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This is the pg for SoCal. I am looking for the info on TES (yes Texas Equisearch). On the PI expense, I am sure it is really expensive but maybe everyone in both families could help as well as the ones who have been donating could also donate directly to an acct for the PI, especially since so many are wanting to do something but do not want to donate actual money to BD or CD. Also maybe some of the reward money could be used. I don't know , I was just trying to think outside the box so to speak. Be back in a few w/ the TES info hopefully. JMO

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Here is the quote about TES. However, you may not believe it since it was posted by cz but she is the one who actually made the call and set this up for BD. I don't know where I got the ladies name since it is not appearing in the below post, I may have just read to many posts and have that name mixed up w/ someone else so pls disregard the ladies name in my 1st post. jmo

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Post by sweets Mon Feb 28, 2011 1:35 am

Wrapitup wrote:Sweets, there is no need to send me any info on Tim Miller and TES. I am very familiar with him and his search team's record. Most of us here on the board became familiar with TES during the early days before Caylee Anthony's skeletal remains were found.

In all honesty, I think Hailey's mother and her "boyfriend" know what happened to Hailey. If I was not convinced early on, I am most definitely convinced since Thursday night when the press released the information about the deviant child porn and beastiality found on Shawn's mother's computer, a CD and a memory stick which was found in BD's dresser drawer.

The family doesn't have this kind of money for a PI. They would be better off hiring an attorney (at least, Billie would) as IMO, she and Shawn are going down.


Wrap, I feel I must have offended you in some way if so pls accept my apology. I was not trying to say you did not know or were not familar w/ TES as I am sure you are more knowledgable about him than I. I was just trying to find the link where I read what I was saying about them not being allowed to come and search. And even though I still hope BD did not have anything to do w/ Hailey's death or kidnapping or whatever happened to her I would think that the family and friends and searchers and bloggers would still want her found whether she is alive or not. If BD did harm her and knows where she is at she sure is not going to tell on herself I don't think. If she is that eveil she is going to play this out to the hilt but It is My Opinion that Hailey still needs to be found and brought home..JMO

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Post by truthbtold Mon Feb 28, 2011 2:04 am

Wrapitup wrote:
sweets wrote:Hi Everyone,

I just have a couple of thoughts/questions I would like to throw out for comment if any would like to give their feedback. Can anyone think of a REAL good reason LE will not let TES come in. I know they have been asked several times and fairly early on. The cordinator (sp) ( I want to say her name was Cherly or Sherry but am not real sure) but she has stated that they were ready to come in and they were first told that the search area was too big and since then they have just been told to stand down for now by LE. I don't understand why they could not just come in and start small grid searches like the local searchers are doing. It is just confusing to me plus it looks like it would take less taxpayers money and LE 's time to let them come in.
I guess I am missing something but it seems like they would want all the free and highly qualified help they could get.

Also Wrap, I thought I understood you to mention in past posts that you were a PI or worked in the past in some way in that area so I was wondering what is your opinion on the family hiring a PI to come in and investigate from beginning like a fresh start with fresh eyes. Just trying to think of some ways to help find Hailey. I like all of you just want her found. All jmo.
thanks
jmo
sweets
Sweets ,when you say TES, do you mean Texas Equasearch? If that was what you meant, I don't believe we have had any type of confirmation why they did not come to search. I know nothing at all about any group out of CA that was to come in with dogs. Where did you hear that?

When you say "family", do you mean Billie, Shawn, Clint or all 3? I think if they want to hire a PI, more power to them but they can be expensive and I doubt very seriously any of them have that kind of money.

Wrap, hope you don't mind me piggy-backing off your post. If so, please feel free to delete with my full understanding.

Sweets: I share your passion for finding Hailey. I also respect and share your desire to see it done in the most expedient and cost-efficient manner possible. All evidence indicates that getting truthful statements from Shawn Casey Adkins and Bille Jean Dunn will resolve the tragic matter in that fashion. They, however, continue to be deceptive to Law Enforcement Officers searching for the victim. None the less, local and national search teams like KlaasKids, Hailey's Angels and Laura Recovery have been encouraged and appreciated for ground searching the local areas. They are relatively low cost. Tim Miller's excellent TES organization, on the other hand, is much more costly with high-end technical capabilities. When there is a relatively defined area of land or water, TES has the top notch technical equipment and personnell; they are the best of the best, imo. While the victims' families and the tax payers may not foot the bill, TES has limited resources and budget. They must prioritize cases. Imo, their services best benefit cases where there is a more defined potential disposal region and there are not named suspects and other POIs that LE suspects can lead them right to the victim.

In the case of sweet Hailey Darlene Dunn, there is at minimum 36 hours between the last time Billie Jean Dunn claims to have seen her daughter and the time she reported her missing. This is 1.5 days of potential travel and hiding time. Vast location potential. The potential search area to the north, east, south and west of CCity in that amount of time is almost immeasurable. We are fortunate in this tragic case; we have a named suspect whose alibi keeps changing and never adds up. Unfortunately, this suspect is supported and comforted by the victim's mother. Cell phone records tell LE where the suspect, Shawn Casey Adkins, was for most of the 36 hour period. LE has not shared his cell phone records for Sunday 12/26, the day the victim was last seen outside of her highly dysfunctional home. However, LE has confirmed that Billie Jean Dunn's suspect boyfriend showed up for work on 12/27 at 6 a.m., left the workplace without explanation at 6:10 a.m., and returned to the home of his girlfriend whose 13 year old daughter was presumably there alone, and was in or near that location from 6:35 a.m. until 6:56 a.m. (at which time he removed the battery from his cell phone for over 90 minutes). No one has seen the victim, Hailey Darlene Dunn, since that time. Billie Jean Dunn and Shawn Casey Adkins have both failed polygraph tests; deception was indicated when they were asked about knowing the location of Hailey Darlene Dunn. These are the result of the polygraph tests that they were finally deemed qualified to take after previously being unable to do so because they were under the influence of narcotics. Since being ruled deceptive in their polygraph tests in early January 2011, both Shawn Casey Adkins and Billie Jean Dunn have refused to take another polygraph test to clear themselves and move the investigation foward. It is now February 27, 2011. WTF are they waiting for?

Bottom line: it would be unfair to take TES's elite and expensive resources away from a case that better fits their profile. There are families who know approximately where someone went missing, but have no idea who might have clues to lead them to a recovery. In this case, on the other hand, by far the fastest and most accurate path to Hailey is by strapping Mr. Adkins and Mrs. Dunn to another set of polygraphy tests. If they are unwilling to take these tests on behalf of Hailey, fine. There is a better chance of finding Hailey quickly after they are both charged with mutiple counts of possession of child pornography (and possibly distribution); possession/distribution of images depicting the rape and torture of children and exploitation of animals. Even if it takes LE 3 to 6 months more months to tie every one of the 108,300 images of child rape and bestiality to Billie and Shawn exclusively, it's a strong incentive for one/both of them to give up Hailey's location and will likely be more expedient and less costly than sending TES on a massive search for a needle in a haystack. Hailey's mom knows exactly where Hailey can be found, for a change. MOO...



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Post by truthbtold Mon Feb 28, 2011 2:15 am

samgoodwin wrote:
truthbtold wrote:I'm on the West Coast PST. I'll rush home tomorrow and make sure that we can at least post these questions for the live chat Q&A. If they don't get addressed, at least we tried. Hailey deserves the effort!

1. Billie, we understand that you were not originally aware Shawn had quit his job on Monday 12/27 and he has since explained the situation. Can you please tell us Shawn's reason for paying an unannounced visit to his grandmother at 6:15 a.m. on that day?
2. Billie, did it strike you as odd that Hailey would be spending the night with MaryBeth, a casual cheerleading friend at whose house she had never spent the night before?
3. Billie, who visited your home during the day and night of Sunday, December 26th?
4. Billie, we respect and appreciate that you want to move the investigation forward. Can you confirm when you will be taking another polygraph test?.
5. Billie, we understand that your son David slept away from the home on Sunday, 12/26. It hasn't been stated as to when he first returned from the sleepover. Can you tell us exactly when was the last time that David saw his sister Hailey?
6. Billie, we understand that Hailey was a hard-working student and you were very proud of her. Can you tell us why you told her not to leave the house on her Christmas break from school?

If anyone wants to add questions or suggest better phrasing of the existing questions, please do...


These sound good to me, TBT. I think on the first question, you may want to leave off the first sentence. It would likely distract Billie, and she'd answer something about how, yes, Shawn already explained that and she'd just ignore the second half of the question. Maybe just ask, "Can you please tell us Shawn's reason for paying an unannounced visit to his grandmother at 6:15 a.m. on 12/27?" (Although I'm sure she'll just answer most questions with "I dunno."

Thank sam! I see your point and will delete the "leading" part of the question. Learning a lot here!
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Post by Nama Mon Feb 28, 2011 2:30 am

The father of a teenager reported missing Dec. 28 said he will never look at another missing child depicted on a poster in a grocery store in the same way.
Hailey Dunn's father, Clinton Dunn, made the 225-mile trip east to Mansfield from Colorado City to tell supporters of an anti-human-trafficking group that authorities wasted a week while they investigated his daughter's disappearance as if she had run away.
Traffick911 held the anti-trafficking rally Sunday after postponing an event the day before Super Bowl XLV.
Billie Dunn, the missing 13-year-old girl's mother, was also scheduled to speak at the rally. But she canceled after reports that more than 100,000 pornographic images had been found on a computer seized by Mitchell County sheriff's officers at her ex-boyfriend's mother's house; hundreds more were on a memory stick found at the Dunn home.
The former boyfriend, Shawn Adkins, is the only suspect authorities have named, according to the Abilene Reporter-News. Some of the images that law enforcement personnel confiscated depict bestiality and child pornography, the newspaper reported.
"He was the last one to see my daughter alive, and that's why I think the police are spotlighting him," Clinton Dunn said. "I don't want to think he's guilty. If he's guilty, that means my daughter is probably dead, and I don't want to think like that."
Dunn said he traveled to Mansfield to raise awareness about human trafficking and missing-children cases. Precious time was wasted as officers inexperienced in tracking missing children worked on his daughter's case, he said.
"After two months, we're still at square one," he said. "We need better laws, and we need to start thinking outside the box on these cases."
Former U.S. Rep. Linda Smith, D-Washington, now head of Shared Hope International, said her group gave Texas a "C" grade when it characterized the laws the state has on the books regarding trafficked children.
For example, someone who employs a child in a sexually oriented business faces a year in jail or a fine of up to $4,000, she said.
"Penalties for buying a child should reflect the seriousness of the crime," she said.
Traffick911 President Deena Graves said men must stop buying pornography and patronizing strip clubs.
"On any given night I can take you to a place in your hometown where you can buy a child with whom you can have sex," Smith said.
"They bring these girls to the strip clubs to show them off. You can find them there any night of the week."

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Post by sweets Mon Feb 28, 2011 2:39 am

TBT thank you so very much for that very thoughtful, proper and maybe laced w/ a bit of sarcasim reply to what I thought might help. Tim wanted to come help a local someone in his backyard. I was just questioning why LE will not let them come in. I know I am in the minority here but BD is not the only one who misappropiates words in order to make it fit her so called belief. I know I should just shut up and just read as even though I only post a few times it seems to me that my posts are attacked in some form imo and I believe this is because I still want to believe BD has some humanity left in her. I don't like what she and shawn have done any more than anyone here does. It is my belief that SA killed or sold Hailey more than most likely. I can not stand the thought of such filth w/ children and some sort of animals as what is being stated on the computer, memory stick, and CD-R. But for some reason I want to give BD the benefit of doubt . A lot of my faith has eroded in her already and if it comes out that it is indeed fact that she had anything to do w/ harming HD or that deviant child porn then I say FRY her along w/ SA. Anyway some things that you stated in your post as well as a lot of other posters on all the boards is not fact yet just very , very strong opinions and we are all entitled to those but we can't claim them as fact without proof of evidence. OK off my soapbox and going to bed. I apologize in advance if I have said anything to offend or upset or against TOS to anyone as that is not my intent.

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Post by Guest Mon Feb 28, 2011 2:54 am

Wrapitup wrote:Rainbow, you Never offend anyone! you rock

I do not believe Billie saying she is clueless about the memory stick, the CD and the computer.

This interview as posted upthread on page 21 completely convinced me by her tone, words and body language.
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I am on the fence re: if she is clueless or if she knows more than she is saying about Hailey being missing. I most definitely DO think she was jealous of her daughter as she is/was everything Billie is not.

Thanks, Wrap!

I watched that video of BD being interviewed, and maybe I'm in denial, but I thought she sounded quite honest when she said she had no idea of what was on the memory stick. Maybe I just can't accept the fact that a MOTHER would condone or be in any way associated with that kind of activity. However, if she is on ANY of these images... I will definitely change my tune!!

I have read all of your views regarding BD, and I do agree with much of what is said. Her continued relationship with SA (the #1 suspect) is VERY suspicious, as well as her refusal to re-take the poly. Even just HAVING a relationship with SA, and knowing he was "into" such violent & awful stuff is mind-boggling. I've also thought back to the videos of her with a younger Hailey & David. She sounded like a loving mom, and yet that is when they were smaller & less of a threat. It is possible that as Hailey grew toward womanhood, BD felt threatened by her... esp. if SA was showing any type of attraction towards Hailey.

However, I still remember how she went on NG for so many nights (after Hailey's disappearance), and tried to honestly answer questions. If she were guilty of anything, would she have done that? We all know how intimidating NG can be! So, I find it really hard to make up my mind about BD's guilt/innocence in this whole "mess"!! :scratch:

And, I'm REALLY not sure what to make of CD - he seems well-meaning, but a bit "out of it". He doesn't show much emotion (that I have noticed), but I'm sure he is upset over Hailey's disappearance. As someone posted earlier, this whole bunch is starting to resemble the Haleigh Cummings clan... interesting that the two missing girls' names are so similar as well! The one common denominator seems to be drugs, unfortunately. 🇳🇴

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Post by Wrapitup Mon Feb 28, 2011 3:19 am

Sweets, Please know that you have not offended me. I was merely stating my thoughts regarding TES and Billie/Shawn.

You say you are being attacked because you believe Billie to be innocent of any wrongdoing or knowledge of Hailey's disappearance. That is your right to think or believe whatever you want. I do NOT think you have been attacked when a member like TBT posts EXACTLY what transpired per the affidavit. Therefore, this statement by you is unfounded:
Anyway everything that you stated in your post as well as a lot of other posters on all the boards is not fact yet just very , very strong opinions and we are all ebtitled to those but we can,t claim them as fact without proof of evidence.
LE has proof of Shawn and Billie failing their poly's.

Since this is thread #4 on the Billie Dunn case, (which, by the way, is a VH Record for the most threads on one subject) all of the evidence, facts and proof have been stated time and time again.

Even the post from CZ that you brought over from WS is already in one of the 4 threads.

I think we all need to respectfully agree to disagree and I believe that the members are doing just that.

You are a welcomed member here. I am asking everyone (again) NOT to bring any posts from WS or any other crime blog without asking an admin or mod first. The Only Exception is "The Hinky Meter".

Again, your perspective on this case is your right. You even stated you are in the minority so you would have to expect other members to come back and post what has been allowed due to the Freedom of Information Act - as TBT did so eloquently.


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Post by Guest Mon Feb 28, 2011 3:26 am

gnreed wrote:The northern part of Colorado City is being evacuated due to a fire. This will certainly destroy any evidence that was not found during searches.
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gnreed, this is an interesting development! I wonder if the #1 suspect (SA) might be behind this fire? Maybe trying to burn up the evidence? thinking
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Post by Wrapitup Mon Feb 28, 2011 3:33 am

Maybe trying to burn up the evidence?
Rainbow. maybe it's because it's so late but you have me laughing out loud. IF this turns out to be the case, (and I seriously doubt it but at this point...nothing could surprise me with these pillbillies - pardon the pun) LE can add Arson to the list of reasons Shawn Adkins is their main suspect.In fact, I think this would be the last straw for LE. crazy 1 :FBI:


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Post by truthbtold Mon Feb 28, 2011 3:34 am

sweets wrote:TBT thank you so very much for that very thoughtful, proper and maybe laced w/ a bit of sarcasim reply to what I thought might help. Tim wanted to come help a local someone in his backyard. I was just questioning why LE will not let them come in. I know I am in the minority here but BD is not the only one who misappropiates words in order to make it fit her so called belief. I know I should just shut up and just read as even though I only post a few times it seems to me that my posts are attacked in some form imo and I believe this is because I still want to believe BD has some humanity left in her. I don't like what she and shawn have done any more than anyone here does. It is my belief that SA killed or sold Hailey more than most likely. I can not stand the thought of such filth w/ children and some sort of animals as what is being stated on the computer, memory stick, and CD-R. But for some reason I want to give BD the benefit of doubt . A lot of my faith has eroded in her already and if it comes out that it is indeed fact that she had anything to do w/ harming HD or that deviant child porn then I say FRY her along w/ SA. Anyway some things that you stated in your post as well as a lot of other posters on all the boards is not fact yet just very , very strong opinions and we are all entitled to those but we can't claim them as fact without proof of evidence. OK off my soapbox and going to bed. I apologize in advance if I have said anything to offend or upset or against TOS to anyone as that is not my intent.

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sweets: No apology necessary and there was no sarcasm whatsoever in my post; I mean it 100%! I understand that you want to give Billie the benefit of the doubt and that's not a problem or up for debate; individual decision. I personally have zero doubt left, sadly. In a way, I envy that you're still able to see something maternal there that I can't see no matter how hard or from which direction I look.

I am a straight shooter so I'm going to be honest with you. You introduced yourself to us on this site a couple of weeks back by bringing unsubstantiated rumors about Cecilia Garcia, Hailey's friend's mom. You flat out stated that she was a registered sex offender and that we should all consider her a drug dealer. You told us to seriously consider that Hailey is gone because of an association to Cecilia Garcia. You stated that Hailey and MaryBeth may be running drugs, IIRC.

You then posted a criminal record for someone who supposedly owned a car parked outside of Billie Dunn's house. There was no name on the rap sheet posted or anything linking it to Billie Dunn. Instead of telling us to consider this paroled drug dealer a connection to Billie, you told us to consider this person a connection to Cecilia Garcia, despite the fact that neither Billie nor Cecilia acknowledge ever meeting each other, much less the supposed owner of the car. It made no sense and was defamatory. Cecilia Garcia, in fact, has no record of being a sex offender anywhere. You seem to be looking for illogical ways to deflect scrutiny from Billie by making others her scapegoats, with no proof whatsoever. I posted about your lack of facts and proof, diplomatically, I have no personal issues with you or any other posters. A few days later, you showed up asking a mod if it was okay to post Cecilia's daughter's picture and her tribute to Hailey because you thought it was sweet. Very strange complete turnabout. Hopefully, you were sincere about that and had a true change of heart. I will give you the benefit of the doubt on that, as you give Billie the benefit of the doubt on being completely unknowing.

You are entitled to your own opinions and strategies for accomplishing your objectives, whatever those may be. I hope they are pure ones and for Hailey only. I ask you to consider this: if you believe Billie knows nothing but Shawn may well be guilty as sin (as you've professed more than once), why would you push to take TES's resources from a family who has cleared themselves of any involvement in their loved one's disappearance and so desperately needs their help? Why wouldn't you be encouraging Billie Jean to push/encourage/manipulate Shawn Adkins into telling all he knows about her daughter's disappearance instead? That is the least selfish and most effective way to find Hailey. If both Billie and Shawn tell the truth and it's determined they are not responsible for Hailey's disappearance, the investigation can move forward in another direction. Billie and Shawn are still not willing to make the small effort to take the tests in order to help find Hailey. Why? Until they (or you) can answer that question, it's utterly selfish to ask any more organization to donate funds or efforts to help find Hailey when they are not willing themselves to spend a few hours answering questions to help find Hailey.

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Post by Wrapitup Mon Feb 28, 2011 3:42 am

good post truthbtold, your user name suits you to a tee as that is Exactly what you do. I agree
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Post by sweets Mon Feb 28, 2011 4:13 am

Wrapitup wrote:Sweets, Please know that you have not offended me. I was merely stating my thoughts regarding TES and Billie/Shawn.

You say you are being attacked because you believe Billie to be innocent of any wrongdoing or knowledge of Hailey's disappearance. That is your right to think or believe whatever you want. I do NOT think you have been attacked when a member like TBT posts EXACTLY what transpired per the affidavit. Therefore, this statement by you is unfounded:
Anyway everything that you stated in your post as well as a lot of other posters on all the boards is not fact yet just very , very strong opinions and we are all ebtitled to those but we can,t claim them as fact without proof of evidence.
LE has proof of Shawn and Billie failing their poly's.

Since this is thread #4 on the Billie Dunn case, (which, by the way, is a VH Record for the most threads on one subject) all of the evidence, facts and proof have been stated time and time again.

Even the post from CZ that you brought over from WS is already in one of the 4 threads.

I think we all need to respectfully agree to disagree and I believe that the members are doing just that.

You are a welcomed member here. I am asking everyone (again) NOT to bring any posts from WS or any other crime blog without asking an admin or mod first. The Only Exception is "The Hinky Meter".

Again, your perspective on this case is your right. You even stated you are in the minority so you would have to expect other members to come back and post what has been allowed due to the Freedom of Information Act - as TBT did so eloquently.



Wrap I thought I had gone back and changed the everything in the highlighted sentance to "some things" as most definitley everything is incorrect on my part. I was referring to this sentance in TBT's post.....6:35 a.m. until 6:56 a.m. (at which time he removed the battery from his cell phone for over 90 minutes).

Anyway I also apologize for bringing the snipped post from WS as that was where I read about TES not being allowed to come in by LE. I did not know we could not post snipped portions from WS or anywhere. It won't happen again. imo

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Post by Wrapitup Mon Feb 28, 2011 4:23 am

Sweets, all is well. The bottom line is we want to find Hailey regardless of what our personal opinions are.

One thing I WILL say. TBT brought up a great point about your insinuations re: Cecilia Garcia. You had us all googling anything we could find on her which took time, attention and direction AWAY from getting down to the real FACTS of the case.

As far as the snipped post from WS...as a suggestion, you could have simply stated what CZ said in regard to TES and posted the link only. That I WILL allow. I am going to delete the post and leave the link.

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Post by Nama Mon Feb 28, 2011 4:30 am

Here you go, Artgal:

A digital memory stick containing images of child pornography was discovered in Billie Dunn and Shawn Adkins’ bedroom as law enforcement searched for evidence pertaining to the disappearance of Colorado City teenager Hailey Dunn, according to Mitchell County Sheriff Patrick Toombs.
In addition to the digital images found in their bedroom, more than 100,000 pornographic images were found on a computer that police seized as evidence from Adkins’ mother’s residence in Big Spring on Jan. 7.
This information was revealed on a return on warrants to the office of Judge Glen Harrison, 32nd District Court for Fisher, Mitchell and Nolan counties. The judge's office is located in the Nolan County Courthouse in Sweetwater.
City Manager of Colorado City, Pete Kampfer has been close to the investigation from the beginning. He says while these new developments aren't necessarily connected to Hailey's disappearance it could help connect the dots.
"Folks that have arrest warrants against them may make statements or confessions so it may move things along a lot faster," Kampfer said.



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Post by sweets Mon Feb 28, 2011 4:45 am

tbt is not correct in everything about CG. I just brought what Info I found here I did not state it to be a fact just that it was info that was out there, I most definitly did not say that I thought HD and MB were "running drugs" Gneed saw the red car in the driveway and after I posted again the info I had found about a drug dealers ( supposedly) arrest record gneed stated that was in fact who the car was registered to. I have seen by multiply peeps that Cecila G. was arrested for some sort of predator and is on probation until 2019. However I am not trying to throw MB or her mom under the bus. I think IMOO that MB may know more about Hailey than she even knows as friends talk about these things to ea other. I have always stated that I thought LE could find out a lot from all her friends if they could figure out how to get them to talk and open up to LE.

I don't want any funds taken away from any family in need as far as Tim is concerned but what makes Hailey any less important and needing to be found than any other missing child/person? just because we don't like her mom and bf does not in my book make HD any less important nor needing to be found any less. If those 2 know anything do you honestly think we are going to get them to talk by telling them how low scum we think they are. I don't. But thats me jmo. But back to bringing info here when I have done that it was because I thought you were like most crime boards and you all like to sleuth these things out and try to solve or put some of the puzzle pieces together. I guess I was wrong about that and several things. Anyway I do agree we will have to agree to disagree on certain things. all JUST MY OPINION. NO FACTS

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Post by Wrapitup Mon Feb 28, 2011 5:06 am

But back to bringing info here when I have done that it was because I thought you were like most crime boards and you all like to sleuth these things out and try to solve or put some of the puzzle pieces together. I guess I was wrong about that and several things.
OK, now I am getting pissed. It is 5am and I do not need these ridiculous comments. What the hell do you think we've been doing? What do you think 4 separate threads on Hailey Dunn are all about? I have had it with your insinuations. Many, if not ALL members, go and lurk at other crime sites and some are even members and post there. I do not understand what you are trying to say and really don't care right now.

You are getting the board OFF track and I won't have it.

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Post by truthbtold Mon Feb 28, 2011 9:14 am

Wrap, I'm headed to work, but I'm sorry about the board going off course for bit.

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I come to VH because it is a site where everyone is trying to put pieces together; productively, imo. The posters are smart and compassionate, imo. We are lucky that Wrap leaves room to throw things out there if there is a possibility that something of substance can be pulled together swiftly. If nothing of substance is resulting and there are defamatory accusations about presumably innocent individuals involved, the moderators here put an end to it before it gets out of hand, based on what I've seen in my short time here. I know of no other moderated crime board that would have allowed you to continue in your campaign against Mrs. Garcia without requiring a link/proof either. You were given an opportunity to make a case that someone should be considered a suspect and it did not piece together. I'd say there is as much or more encouragement for valid sleuthing here as anywhere else. If you feel strongly that LE should be investigating Hailey's friends or their mothers more closely and you have tips, I hope you call them into LE...
p.s. gnreed posted about an observation as a local, and ran a public record - some good speculating came about as a result of his local observation regarding the car; none of it leading to Mrs. Garcia being involved in Hailey's disappearance....

I was very strong in voicing my opinion that TES should not be brought into this case and stating why last night. I apologize if my post seemed too strongly worded. I understand that you disagree; others may as well. That is no problem. We have differences of opinion. Your suggestion that I think Hailey is less deserving because of her family's lifestyle is baseless and untrue. I believe the commitment to Hailey is very clear in my posts and the amount time that is devoted to Hailey here at VH. I simply think that a lot of people have been searching for Hailey, for answers, and for clues for 2 months. The last 2 people to see Hailey have not provided LE with truthful answers to all of their questions regarding Hailey's whereabouts. It is thus my opinion those answers should be pursued before campaigning for yet another search team to enter the area (a search team that is in-demand and working on other cases where they have truthful information to use for a better chance of success). I respect that your opinion differs. You are correct in that I made an assumption about Shawn Adkins taking the battery out of his phone; I should have stated his phone suddenly went out of service, per the affidavit. I stand corrected. I hope we can end this exchange on a peaceful note with an agreement to disagree. If you want to continue the exchange, please send me a private message so everyone else can move forward...I'll be checking in tonight cool
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Post by truthbtold Mon Feb 28, 2011 11:52 am

QUESTIONS FOR BILLIE:
I entered our questions for Billie in the chat board (user name "truth"):
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TONIGHT'S INTERVIEW WITH BILLIE:
Billie's chat Q & A is schedule from 5 - 7 p.m.
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I hope at least one of our questions gets asked and we learn something important tonight... There are questions being entered rapidly right now.

I'm trying to cancel a 4 p.m. PST meeting right now, lol...

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truthbtold wrote:QUESTIONS FOR BILLIE:
I entered our questions for Billie in the chat board (user name "truth"):
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TONIGHT'S INTERVIEW WITH BILLIE:
Billie's chat Q & A is schedule from 5 - 7 p.m.
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Live stream: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

I hope at least one of our questions gets asked and we learn something important tonight... There are questions being entered rapidly right now.

I'm trying to cancel a 4 p.m. PST meeting right now, lol...

Thanks for the link to the chat and for entering the questions, truthbtold. I'm off to check it out. you rock
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Post by jeanne1807 Mon Feb 28, 2011 12:17 pm

I respectfully snipped this post because of it's length. I hope that is alright.

TBT said;

"If both Billie and Shawn tell the truth and it's determined they are not responsible for Hailey's disappearance, the investigation can move forward in another direction. Billie and Shawn are still not willing to make the small effort to take the tests in order to help find Hailey. Why? Until they (or you) can answer that question, it's utterly selfish to ask any more organization to donate funds or efforts to help find Hailey when they are not willing themselves to spend a few hours answering questions to help find Hailey. "



I do believe that is where we are right now. That line in the sand. If the mother of a missing girl is unwilling to tell the truth..no matter what it is..then nobody is going to move forward.

Honestly I believe drugs could be keeping them from telling all they know. The fear of being arrested for what they might be doing. Well of course too now the porn and heaven knows what else.

Can they give them some kind of a pass on all the other stuff just to get to the truth about Hailey?

I wonder.

Actually I don't think if LE gave them a pass to the moon they would tell the truth.

The LE in Florida said "Casey and the truth are strangers".

They should meet Billie Dunn.
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