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Post by Wrapitup Wed Feb 08, 2012 11:02 pm

Why would the sister not want to turn over her cell phone???

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Post by laga Wed Feb 08, 2012 11:09 pm

Listening to the phone message he left, he sounds out of breath, at first it might sound like it is because of emotion, but I believe it is because he was carrying that 5 gallon can of gasoline around the house splashing the contents everywhere.

I am also convinced he used the time between chopping the boys with axe and lighting the fire to send his "poor pitiful me" emails to all his supporters.

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Josh Powell’s pastor saw no hint that murder-suicide was brewing

BY NATE CARLISLE
THE SALT LAKE TRIBUNE
First published Feb 08 2012 08:21AM
Updated 5 minutes ago

Puyallup, Wash. • As police continued investigating how Josh Powell killed himself and his two sons, a pastor who was supervising weekly visits at his home between the father and the boys said Wednesday he had no forewarning of the fiery murder-suicide that claimed the trio Sunday.

"I spoke with Josh on the phone Thursday night last week, and ... there was no indication of a problem or a change in his outlook," Pastor Timothy Atkins said in a written statement. "Josh spoke with me during that phone conversation about seeing him Sunday evening following the Sunday afternoon visit with his sons."

Shortly after noon on Sunday, Josh Powell started a gasoline-fueled fire at his Graham area home that killed him and his two sons, Charlie, 7, and Braden, 5. Josh Powell and the boys died of carbon-monoxide poisoning, but the boys also suffered chop wounds from a hatchet, authorities said.

Atkins’ relationship with Josh Powell included being a neighbor, a pastor and a friend, he said

"My family has been deeply affected," he said. "My wife and I have four children, three of whom attended school with Charlie at Carson Elementary School."

In October 2011, Atkins — who presides over the Faith Bible Church of South Hill — helped Josh Powell move from Puyallup into the house in Graham. And a month later, Josh Powell asked the pastor to assist with court-ordered child visitation sessions.

"We were supervising weekly visits in our home for the Department of Social and Health Services," Atkins said. "Our children would play together during these visits.

Josh Powell, 36, was the only person of interest publicly named by police in the disappearance of his 28-year-old wife, Susan Cox Powell, from their West Valley City home on Dec. 9, 2009.

Said Atkins: "Although we had questions about the disappearance of Susan Powell, we made efforts to minister to [Josh Powell] through giving counsel in making needed changes in his life and by speaking about the truth of the Gospel with him, showing him how he might receive salvation through Jesus Christ. We often quoted in our discussions the truth of Romans 10:11-13: ‘Whoever believes in Him will not be disappointed ... Whoever will call upon the name of the Lord will be saved.’

"We are continuing to be in prayer for the Cox family and the Powell family that they may receive mercy and find grace to help in this time of need," Atkins said. " We are asking for the Lord’s strength in our lives and the lives of all of us who need His help because of these shocking events."

Meanwhile, relatives of Josh Powell blamed government officials, media and Internet media pundits for setting in motion the terrible tragedy that has now rocked two families.

Family members have accused police and the media of harassing Josh Powell, and a cousin has asked the FBI to investigate claims he was a victim of cyberbullying.

A statement signed by Maurice and Patti Leach said they were "grievously saddened" by the loss experienced by both the Cox and Powell families and that there was no justification for the deaths of Josh Powell’s two innocent sons.

Patti Leach is Josh Powell’s aunt, and a sister to his father, Steve Powell. They attended a September custody hearing to support Josh Powell, which left them disillusioned with the legal system when the father lost custody to his children.

They said government agencies, religious bias, "Internet kangaroo courts and sensationalized media had circumvented and completely compromised" due process rights in the case.

"America, this is not only a tragedy, Sunday was a dark day for all of our families," the Leaches said.

In the wake of the deaths, West Valley City police say they have received several new email tips about the disappearance of Susan Powell.

West Valley City Police Chief Thayle "Buzz" Nielsen, who spent Tuesday meeting with local law enforcement, said the information is "new stuff coming out." Officers are reviewing the tips to see if they yield any credible leads.

"When we get back from this, we’re going to debrief what’s happened up here, what we have," he said at the Pierce County Sheriff’s Office. "It will probably take about a month and we’ll reassess what we’re going to do. But we’re going to keep it active and open."

The Pierce County Sheriff’s Office has been investigating the deaths and whether any of Josh Powell’s family had prior knowledge of his plans. Search warrant returns made public Wednesday show sheriff’s detectives confiscated the cellphone of Josh Powell’s sister after she refused to give emails and voice mails that he left for her before killing his sons.

When two detectives arrived at Alina Powell’s home on Sunday to notify her of Josh Powell’s death, she showed them four emails sent by Josh Powell and told them she had a voice message from her brother.

"During the interview, Alina became upset and refused to allow Det. [Gary] Sanders to copy the emails and refused to provide the phone to Det. Sanders," the search warrant states. The detectives obtained a court order and seized the phone Monday, according to the search warrant affidavit.

Police also obtained photos of Josh Powell taken Saturday at a Bank of America in Puyallup, where he withdrew $7,000 in cash from his checking account. The teller who handled the transaction told officers he "did not ask Powell why he made the withdrawal," according to the search warrant affidavit.

Nielsen said Tuesday that while police have circumstantial evidence about what happened to Susan Powell, it never met the "threshold" needed to take the case to a prosecutor.

But Steve Downing, who represents the Coxes, revealed that Josh Powell bought a $1 million life insurance policy on his wife a year before she disappeared. Downing said Josh Powell also was telling friends about how to dispose of a body without being caught.

The father of Susan Powell on Wednesday said he remained supportive of the West Valley City police.

"I think the police handled this well, and as well as they could," Chuck Cox said. "My only concern is they should have arrested Josh as soon as they could if they had evidence."

Nielsen met with the Cox family Tuesday night.

"The discussion was, yes, Susan’s case remains open," Cox said. "They’re getting more leads."

"Josh was not a big lead," Cox added. "He was not going to tell them anything. They’re still optimistic they’re going to be able to find her."

Attorney Downing on Tuesday told The Tribune how West Valley City police sought to provoke Josh Powell and his father, Steve Powell, in the hopes they would talk and provide clues to Susan Powell’s fate.

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Deputies sent to Josh Powell's house 8 minutes after 911 call
February 8, 2012 | 7:24 pm

Nearly eight minutes passed before a 911 dispatcher sent sheriff's deputies to Josh Powell's home in Graham, Wash., where he was killing his children, emergency call logs showed Wednesday night.

Tapes of the conversation Sunday between a social worker and a 911 call center were released earlier in the day. They showed the social worker trying to stay calm but seeming to grow increasingly frustrated as the person on the other end of the phone repeatedly asked for details about who she was, why she was at the house, what kind of car she was driving, and finally told her a deputy would be sent when one was free.

“They have to respond to emergency, life-threatening situations first,” the call center worker said.

“This could be life-threatening!” the social worker interjected. “He went to court Wednesday and he didn’t get the kids back, and I’m — I’m afraid for their lives.”

The social worker was delivering the children for what was to have been a court-ordered supervised visit. Powell, a person of interest in his wife Susan's 2009 disappearance, let the boys in but barred the social worker. He had lost custody in September.

The Associated Press obtained the call logs Wednesday night under a public records request. Nearly eight minutes elapsed from the time the social worker made the first 911 call until deputies were dispatched, the AP reported, and it took another 14 minutes for the deputies to arrive.

The 911 call lasted nearly seven minutes. The logs show deputies were sent about a minute after the call ended.

According to the logs, the social worker called from her cellphone at 12:08 p.m. Five minutes later, the man who took her call transferred the information to a dispatcher, who alerted two deputies about 2 1/2 minutes later, at 12:16, the AP reported. They arrived at 12:30, when the house was engulfed in flames.

Authorities say Powell had splashed gasoline around the house and ignited it. He had also attacked the children with a hatchet.

At one point, the social worker tells the call center that she can hear the children crying.

Earlier Wednesday, Pierce County Sheriff’s Det. Ed Troyer raised questions about how the first of two 911 calls was handled; the second was from the social worker to the fire department. “Our concern is the etiquette and lack of manners. It doesn’t have to be that way, right?” he said in an interview with the Los Angeles Times.

But he said the protracted call, handled by an independent call service center, did not delay dispatch of a patrol car, which arrived before the fire department did. Some of the confusion, he added, was due to the fact that the social worker at first did not know Powell’s street address.

The independent call center that handles 911 calls for Pierce County, the Law Enforcement Support Agency, issued a statement Wednesday night. Director Tom Orr offered condolences to the family and expressed shock at "the deliberate, heinous and evil actions of Josh Powell."

"All of us at LESA take our citizens’ safety very seriously and we have begun a full investigation of how these calls were handled," Orr said. "We know that seconds count and we are committed to providing the fastest response possible."

It was moments after the first 911 call that the social worker called again. The house was in flames. This time, she was put through to the fire department.

“There’s two little boys in the house. They’re 5 and 7, and there’s an adult man. ... He blew up the house and the kids!” she said, speaking calmly but urgently.

“And you think he might have done it intentionally?” the dispatcher asked.

“Yes,” she replied.

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Post by artgal16 Wed Feb 08, 2012 11:15 pm

Well now they only have Steven Powell - lets hope they get something out of him, but after seeing him I doubt it. Poor Susan - the people in this family are all disturbed
her husband and father in law most of all she didnt have a chance.
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Graves family planned to raise lost nephews, Charlie, Braden

BY MELINDA ROGERS
The Salt Lake Tribune
First published 3 hours ago
Updated 1 hour ago

It was only a matter of time until Jennifer and Kirk Graves believed they would call Charlie and Braden Powell their own.

Shortly after the 2009 disappearance of the boys’ mother, Susan Cox Powell, the West Jordan couple took steps to become the adoptive parents of their nephews, with the blessing of the boys’ maternal grandparents, Chuck and Judy Cox.

The Graveses met with a family-law attorney to discuss procedures. They bought a 15-passenger van to accommodate a larger family. And they spoke to their own five children about new bedroom arrangements, preparing the kids for the arrival of their "brothers."

They visited the boys in Washington, most recently at Thanksgiving with the Coxes, where they bonded with the children. The encounters were encouraging to the Graveses, who in recent months believed their nephews — sullen and hurting while living with their father, Josh Powell — had finally started to blossom again after losing their mother and living in an unstable environment at their grandfather’s house, Kirk Graves said.

As the Graveses begin the long drive Thursday to Puyallup, Wash., to bury the 5- and 7-year-old nephews they expected to raise into adulthood, they won’t only mourn the children’s unthinkable murders plotted by Josh Powell, they will grieve the melded family they were ready to embrace but will never see.

"All our plans revolved around the eventuality of getting those boys," Jennifer Graves said during a Wednesday interview.

"We had talked with the Coxes. They would much rather be a grandparent than a parent," Kirk Graves added.

The couple praised the Coxes parenting efforts since taking custody of the boys from Josh Powell in September. The Coxes planned to take care of Charlie and Braden through what the family presumed would be Josh Powell’s eventual arrest and conviction for the murder of his missing wife, the Graveses said.

The families agreed that once the boys were in a good place emotionally, the Graveses were in a better position to raise them full-time.

"They were really helping them along," Jennifer Graves said of the Coxes. "I was so impressed with what they were doing with the boys."

The Graveses continued to pour out grief over their lost nephews on Wednesday and compared Josh Powell’s behavior to that of his father, Steven Powell, who is in the Pierce County jail in Washington awaiting trial on voyeurism and child pornography charges.

Like his father, Josh Powell weathered a nasty divorce as a child, Kirk Graves said. Like his father, Josh Powell had problems with pornography and used his children as a tool to hurt other family members, he added.

"The mental history of both of them is not a history of mental illness, but of an inability to really function right within a relationship. They both didn’t do that well. Steve never killed his wife, but he did everything he could to make her life hell," Kirk Graves said.

" When it came down to the separation, Steve used the kids as a tool to hurt Terri [Josh’s mother] and everything else. Josh did the same thing, but it wasn’t with Susan, it was with anyone else. It is all about control. We keep saying that word, but it fits both of them very well. They just want control."

The Graveses said Wednesday they are confident Josh Powell killed his wife, perhaps because she planned to leave him and take the children away. They said he repeated his behavior when it appeared the Coxes would take full custody of Charlie and Braden.

The Graveses also offered a response to a statement issued by Powell’s aunt and uncle, Patti and Maurice Leach, which suggested Powell was a victim of bullying and an unfair portrayal in the media and on Internet sites, which led him to his breaking point.

"They blame it on a broken system. They blame the government, the government agencies, the police, the media. There is no one to blame here. The only one who is responsible for this is Josh," Jennifer Graves said. "I don’t care what kind of pressure you are under, you always have a choice. You don’t have to take someone else’s life."

She said she won’t attend her brother’s funeral, if a service is held. Although she spent a lifetime knowing Josh Powell, she said she can’t mourn his loss or focus on happier times from her brother’s life.


"The last two years have opened my eyes a lot to what he has become," Graves said. "After hearing the brutal manner that he killed his children, though, it’s really tough to feel any sorrow for him. It might come eventually.

"Right now, I am just disgusted that he would do this to his own children. To these two little boys that he professed to love."

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artgal16 wrote:Well now they only have Steven Powell - lets hope they get something out of him, but after seeing him I doubt it. Poor Susan - the people in this family are all disturbed
her husband and father in law most of all she didnt have a chance.
Did anyone watch the whole NG show tonight? Chuck Cox said that JP was "strange" from the get-go - that after spending about 20 min w/him, no one wanted to be around him. He must have really charmed poor Susan. He left the church (according to Mr. Cox) because the church did NOT condone having more than one wife. He would not allow Susan, who worked as a stock broker, to go to the grocery store to buy vegetables and fruits. He MADE her grow them herself. Just unreal to me. I wish she had left him..gotten away with the boys when he was at work and taken off for Florida or something..just gotten away from him as far as she could go. And, I know her parent's would have helped her. It's just So Damned Sad and unbelievable!!
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Post by HippyChick2 Thu Feb 09, 2012 3:49 pm

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artgal16 wrote:Well now they only have Steven Powell - lets hope they get something out of him, but after seeing him I doubt it. Poor Susan - the people in this family are all disturbed
her husband and father in law most of all she didnt have a chance.
Did anyone watch the whole NG show tonight? Chuck Cox said that JP was "strange" from the get-go - that after spending about 20 min w/him, no one wanted to be around him. He must have really charmed poor Susan. He left the church (according to Mr. Cox) because the church did NOT condone having more than one wife. He would not allow Susan, who worked as a stock broker, to go to the grocery store to buy vegetables and fruits. He MADE her grow them herself. Just unreal to me. I wish she had left him..gotten away with the boys when he was at work and taken off for Florida or something..just gotten away from him as far as she could go. And, I know her parent's would have helped her. It's just So Damned Sad and unbelievable!!

The whole business regarding the ax/ hatchet....in my mind Josh wanted to make damn sure that the boys died, so he chopped their necks with the hatchet, then blew them up. He was so selfish he couldn't stand the thought of leaving them behind- even if gravely injured- for someone else to raise and love. I thought I had seen the epitome of narcissism with Casey Anthony but Josh surpasses even HER in depravity. IMO. I want to say I hope the boys didn't suffer, but you all know that they did. Surely he is the most hated man in America this week. I say "this week" because you never know what kind of sick shit is coming next week in the news. cryingagain
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The boys, according to the autopsy, did not die from the hatchet wounds..they died of smoke inhalation. So, they were probably bleeding profusely and would have eventually died from bleeding to death. However, IF that ass 911 operator had not waited 7 minutes before contacting the police and had not asked that poor supervisor stupid, ridiculous questions, they may have been saved as a full 10 min went by from the time JP grabbed the kids and the house exploded. 10 min is Plenty of time for cops to arrive at the scene. Not to say JP would have complied with law enforcement but at least LE would have been on scene immediately. That is a very small community. I would bet a cop was around the corner and could readily have made it there in less than a minute. MOO.
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By KOMO Staff Published: Feb 9, 2012 at 9:29 AM PST

TACOMA, Wash. - A rabidly anti-gay church known for its loud protests is planning to picket Saturday's funeral for the two sons of missing mom Susan Powell, who died in a raging house fire Sunday.

Margie Phelps of the Topeka, Kan.-based Westboro Baptist Church sent out a tweet saying the church will attend the boys' memorial service as a protest against the pending legalization of gay marriage in Washington state.

The two boys, Charlie and Braden Powell, were killed Sunday in a gasoline-fueled house fire set by their father Josh Powell after they arrived for a supervised visit. Powell himself also died in the inferno.

Alina Powell, Josh Powell's sister, called the church's planned protest "a horrible, disdainful act that serves no purpose other than to continue the years-long objectification of those little boys."

In an email message, Alina Powell said:

"Charlie and Braden were not trophies to be won and paraded around, they were not bait to ferret out 'guilt' in a man, they were not 'evidence' in a 'crime' and they most certainly are not political pawns to be used by a church to spread yet more messages of hate! They are only little boys and they deserve better! I am LIVID that my nephews continue to be used as a tactical maneuver, and I am LIVID that their service will be besmirched by an event a loving God would never approve! Please let my nephews rest in peace!! Hate has taken far too great a toll on us ALL already!"

But Phelps says Westboro church members to go ahead with the protest, to publicize their opposition to gay marriage.

In a later tweet about the pending legalization of same-sex marriage in Washington state, Phelps wrote, "This is why God's cursed you w Josh Powells blowing up kids."

The state Legislature passed a law this month allowing same-sex couples to marry, and Gov. Chris Gregoire is expected to sign the measure into law after it lands on her desk next week.

A memorial service for the two Powell boys, aged 5 and 7, is scheduled for 11 a.m. Saturday at Life Center Church in Tacoma.

The boys died Sunday after a caseworker brought them for a supervised visit at the home of their father, Josh Powell.

Powell locked the caseworker out of the home, then attacked his sons with a hatchet before igniting an inferno that burned the house to the ground, killing all three of them.

The sudden and tragic development was the latest in a dizzying series of twists in the case of missing mom Susan Powell, who disappeared in December 2009.

Josh Powell was the only publicly named person of interest in her disappearance, and had earlier lost custody of his two sons.

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Josh Powell sons' funeral: It's Westboro church vs. the public
February 9, 2012 | 1:30 pm

Westboro Baptist Church, which has gained widespread notoriety for publicly opposing homosexuality -- most notably by picketing military funerals, has a new target. Its members will protest outside Saturday's funeral services for the two young sons of Josh Powell, who struck the boys with a hatchet before killing them and himself in a gasoline-fueled inferno.

That announcement was immediately met with howls of outrage and plans for counterprotests.

A new Facebook campaign, "Keep Westboro Church away from Powell Memorial," was launched to encourage the public to "go out in full force to help create a buffer so this memorial can take place peacefully” in Tacoma, Wash. Occupy Seattle also plans a counterprotest to protect the boys' grief-stricken relatives from Westboro's hate-filled message.

Margie Phelps, the daughter of the founder of the Kansas-based church reviled by many for its extremist views, took to Twitter to confirm the funeral protest plans, calling the area where the deaths happened "God's cursed WA-serial-killer-capitol of world" and labeling "beautiful" the headline "Westboro BaptChurch to protest Powell boys' funeral."

Phelps also suggests that blame for the boys' deaths lies with Gov. Christine Gregoire, who is poised to sign a bill approving same-sex marriage: "This is why God's cursed you w Josh Powells blowing up kids," she tweeted, and then pointed to a headline about the pending legal action.

News of the church plans were immediately followed by Occupy Seattle's plans to counterprotest: "Westboro Baptist Church will B picketing a tragic funeral #OccupySeattle will B gathering 2 shield mourners from them," the movement tweeted.

A memorial service for the boys is set for 11 a.m. Saturday at Life Center Church in Tacoma, according to the News Tribune of Tacoma.

Josh Powell, believed to be the main suspect in the 2009 disappearance of his wife, Susan, locked himself in his Graham, Wash., home Sunday with his two young sons during what was supposed to be a court-mandated, supervised visit. He took an ax to the boys and then killed them all in a gasoline-fueled explosion.

The Kansas church has made plenty of headlines over the years with its protests, but this latest endeavor seems to have resonated -- and not in a way likely to garner support.

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By KOMO Staff & ABC News Published: Feb 9, 2012 at 2:10 PM PST

GRAHAM, Wash. -- Josh Powell, who blew up his home with his two sons inside on Sunday, had told the boys he had a "big surprise" for them as they ran toward his home moments before he attacked them with a hatchet and then lit the house on fire, ABC News reported Thursday.

Social worker Elizabeth Griffin Hall had just brought 7-year-old Charles and 5-year-old Braden to Powell for a supervised visit and told ABC News that after the kids ran inside, Powell "just shrugged his shoulders and slammed the door."

Hall told the network as she banged on the door, "I heard him say, 'Charlie, I've got a big surprise for you'... And then I heard Braden cry out."

It was common for Josh Powell to have surprises for his boys, Hall said, adding that Braden had a sore foot and she thought maybe he had banged into something. An autopsy on the boys later revealed that Josh Powell had used a hatchet on them before the fire broke out.

"I'm saying, 'Let me in, Josh, let me in,'" Hall told ABC News. "I realized I didn't have my phone in my hand and I could smell gas. Too much time had passed and I could smell gas."

She went to call 911 and then after a 6 minute phone call with dispatchers -- whom did not acknowledge that it was a true emergency she told ABC -- she called her supervisor. Moments later, the house exploded.

Hall said police told her there was nothing she could have done differently to save the children.

"How this happened is that Josh Powell was really, really evil. I couldn't have stopped him," she told ABC News. "I did everything I was supposed to do. I did everything right and the boys are still dead."

Josh Powell was considered a person of interest in the disappearance of his wife Susan, who went missing in December of 2009.

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State senator: Letting kids stay with Josh Powell ‘outrageous’

BY NATE CARLISLE
The Salt Lake Tribune
First published 4 hours ago
Updated 29 minutes ago

Breaking: Washington police plan to search a recycling center after receiving a tip that Josh Powell may have taken office papers there.

The Pierce County Sheriff contacted a waste disposal site and recycling center near Powell’s Graham area home on Saturday, according to Don Taylor, assistant district manager for LRI Hidden Valley, which owns the site.

Investigators received a tip that Powell may have taken office paper to the recycling center on Saturday, Taylor said. An area where the paper might be located has been cordoned off.

Taylor said there are no security cameras on site, and Saturday was one of the site’s busiest days on record as people disposed of debris from a recent storm.

Puyallup, Wash. • Saying it was "outrageous" to grant Josh Powell visitation with his sons, a state senator wants to see what West Valley City police shared with the Washington agency in charge of child welfare here.

"This material should be made public," said Sen. Pam Roach, a Republican whose district includes part of the county where Powell murdered his children Sunday and died with them in a gasoline-fueled blaze set at his home. "I want to see it all."

Roach this week sent a public records request to the Department of Social and Health Services asking for the materials West Valley City police sent the agency before the supervised Sunday visit. A social worker told dispatchers Charlie, 7, and Braden, 5, were a single step ahead of her when they entered Powell’s home and he locked her out.

West Valley City police, who have been investigating the December 2009 disappearance of Powell’s wife, Susan, last week confirmed they sent information related to the welfare of the Powell children to Washington authorities. A department spokesman on Thursday declined to elaborate on what that information was.

An attorney representing the state at a Feb. 1 custody hearing in Pierce County Superior Court characterized that information as explicit images gleaned from a computer during a 2009 police search of the Powell home in Utah.

DSHS spokesperson Sherry Hill said Thursday a child welfare worker was allowed to review the images, and Pierce County also shared them with a psychologist who then recommended Powell undergo a psychosexual examination and polygraph test. A judge overseeing the custody case ordered the examinations following the Feb. 1 hearing.

Without the psychologist’s recommendation, the department "likely" would have started on a plan to transition the children home to Josh Powell, Hill said. Thomas Shapley, another department spokesperson, added that the images were the only materials West Valley City police shared from the Powell home they thought were concerning.

"At no time did our department get any bulletins, briefings, red flags, warnings — anything like that — warning of the boys’ safety," he said.

The agency is already planning its own internal review of how the deaths occurred.

While she waits for the agency to process her request, Roach is convinced mistakes were made in Washington. DSHS and the judge overseeing the custody case were working toward returning the children to Powell, Roach said, despite concerns the boys had been exposed to pornography.

The children were removed from Powell’s custody and placed in the care of their maternal grandparents after Powell’s father, Steve Powell, was arrested in September on charges of voyeurism and child pornography. Prosecutors allege Steve Powell photographed two girls who were his neighbors at the time through the windows of their homes. Powell and his sons had been living in his father’s home before the arrest, but Powell had denied knowing anything about his father’s alleged activities.

Roach doesn’t believe the denial.

"Just the judgment of Josh Powell allowing his children to be in a home where he knew his father was engaged in pornographic behavior was enough" to deny visitation, Roach said Thursday.

The suspicions that Powell murdered his wife, or at least the judgment he showed with his claim that he took his then 4- and 2-year-old sons camping in a snowstorm the night she disappeared in December of 2009, should have been factors for denying visits, too, Roach said.

"Whether this points to the judge [making mistakes], whether this points to DHS, we need to find out," Roach said.

While DSHS is obligated to process her records request, it’s unclear how much weight Roach’s criticisms will carry in Washington. Her colleagues in the state legislature have censured her twice.

Washington authorities have already pledged to examine the role of emergency dispatchers who handled the social worker’s 911 call. Recordings of 911 calls and logs obtained by the Associated Press show it took 22 minutes from when the call was made to when sheriff’s deputies arrived at Powell’s home.

The Pierce County Sheriff’s Office served a search warrant on a storage shed owned by Powell earlier this week, but the results of that search have not yet been made public.

Both of Powell’s children suffered chop injuries believed to have been caused by a hatchet before they died in the fire set by their father. Powell sent goodbye emails and voice mails to family members prior to the murders, but not in enough time to stop them, police have said.

In one voice mail aired by ABC’s Good Morning America, Powell provided his only explanation for the crimes: "I am not able to live without my sons and I’m not able to go on anymore." Police have said he made no mention of his missing wife in any of the messages.

Powell’s sister, Alina Powell, has said she believes her brother was the victim of harassment and abuse following the disappearance. In a story aired on Good Morning America Thursday Alina Powell said she still believes her brother is innocent in his wife’s disappearance.

Alina Powell told the network she felt "this was the act of somebody who had been so damaged by the lack of due process, so harassed and abused and lied about" that he felt there was no other way to spare himself and his children emotional and physical pain.

West Valley Police have said they are still investigating the disappearance of Susan Powell and are working with Washington authorities.

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Powell family tragedy on ‘20/20,’ ‘Dr. Phil’ on Friday
20/20, ABC, Dr. Phil, WFTV, WOFL — posted by halboedeker on February, 9 2012 6:23 PM

The Powell family tragedy that stunned the nation will be explored on “Dr. Phil” and ABC’s “20/20,” both airing Friday.

In an interview with Dr. Phil McGraw, Susan Powell’s parents talk about the loss of their grandsons.

Powell has been missing since 2009. Her sons, 5-year-old Braden and 7-year-old Charles, died Sunday in a house explosion in Graham, Wash.

Their father, Josh Powell, killed them and himself. He had been a person of interest in his wife’s disappearance from their home in Utah.

“We were concerned all the time that he could do something,” Chuck Cox says about his son-in-law Powell.

“Dr. Phil” airs at 3 p.m. weekdays on WOFL-Channel 35.

On “20/20,” anchor Chris Cuomo looks at the story in a report called “Sins of the Father.” The program airs at 10 p.m. Friday on WFTV-Channel 9.

ABC News said, “Cuomo explores the lingering questions in the case: Did Josh kill his wife Susan back in 2009? If so, where is she? And is Josh’s father, Steve Powell, the key to the case?”

In September, Steven Powell was arrested and charged with 14 counts of voyeurism and one count of child pornography. He has denied the charges.

The boys’ funeral will be Saturday in Washington state.

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I don't get it. Didn't Josh's mother, Terri, write a letter in support of Josh having custody of the boys? Why would she do that, knowing what she said about him in those divorce documents mentioned above? What a messed up family!!
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Powell had 'incestuous' images on his computer, police say
Published February 10, 2012

Before Josh Powell was going to try to win back custody of his children last week, Washington state authorities received materials from Utah police that had been discovered on a computer in Powell's home two years ago. Authorities say the images depicted "incestuous" sex and were disconcerting enough that they prompted a psychologist to recommend that Powell undergo an intensive psychosexual evaluation.
But a lawyer for Powell's in-laws, who had custody of the boys, wasn't invited to see the materials before the custody hearing - even though a Utah judge had specified in a sealed court order that he was one of the few people allowed to see them.

Had he seen the images, attorney Steve Downing said, he might have asked the court to change the terms of Powell's supervised visitation with the boys, such as by asking for the visits to be in a public place. Instead, Downing said he didn't learn until Thursday morning - four days after Powell killed himself and the boys in a house fire - that he was allowed to see them.
"That would have absolutely given me the opportunity to submit a declaration about our deep concern. I was approved ... to view those pictures and I was never notified," Downing said. "I could have gone into all the reasons why the visitation could have or should have been restricted."
Pierce County Sheriff's Detective Ed Troyer told The Associated Press on Thursday night that the images collected by investigators from Powell's home computer in Utah two years ago were realistic computer-generated depictions of "incestuous" parent-child relations.

"It's family-oriented in nature," Troyer said. "It is incestuous."
Troyer said the images couldn't be legally defined as pornography because they don't involve real people.
Troyer said the judge in last week's custody hearing was apprised of the images at the proceeding.
Powell was the only person of interest in the disappearance of his wife, Susan Powell, from their home in West Valley City, Utah, in 2009. He was never arrested or charged in the case, and a month after she vanished, he moved with his boys back to his father Steve's home in Puyallup, Wash., south of Seattle.
Last year, authorities searched Steve Powell's home, computer and cars for evidence in Susan Powell's disappearance - and instead said they found thousands of voyeuristic pictures and videos, including child pornography recorded by Steve Powell. The state took custody of the boys and turned them over to Susan's parents, Chuck and Judy Cox.
Josh Powell repeatedly tried to regain custody of the boys. At one point late last year, he underwent a court-ordered psychological evaluation. The psychologist held off on finalizing his report for some time, anticipating that he would be able to review materials that West Valley City police had discovered on Josh Powell's computer, said Washington state assistant attorney general John Long, who represented the state in the custody case.
But as the Feb. 1 custody hearing neared, the materials hadn't arrived from Utah, Long said. It wasn't until after the psychologist finalized the report that the materials arrived at the Pierce County Sheriff's Department. When the psychologist saw them, he added an addendum to his report recommending the psychosexual evaluation of Josh Powell - an exam that can include a polygraph as well as more intrusive measures to determine the body's response to child pornography or other stimuli.

On Jan. 30, the sheriff's office arranged a viewing of the materials, said Sherry Hill, a spokeswoman for the Department of Social and Health Services.
Among the attendees were Long and a Child Protective Services social worker. Downing said he wasn't notified of the viewing. Long confirmed Downing had been listed as one of those allowed to see the images. However, Downing was not technically a party to the Feb. 1 hearing, which was between Powell and the state, so there was no rush to make sure Downing saw the materials beforehand.
Josh Powell's attorney, Jeffrey Bassett, also did not attend. He said in an email Thursday that there had been some "miscommunication," and he didn't learn about the viewing until after the fact. He wasn't able to immediately schedule another viewing.
Two days later, Pierce County Superior Court Judge Kathryn Nelson heard arguments from Josh Powell seeking to regain custody of his children. Long opposed that, noting only that "concerning" images from his computer had been provided by the police in Utah.
After considering Long's arguments and the recommendation for the psychosexual evaluation, Nelson denied Powell's request. She said she wouldn't consider granting Powell custody unless he underwent the exam. She didn't make any changes in the visitation schedule, which allowed Powell to see his boys, 5 and 7, at his house twice a week while supervised by a social worker.
On Sunday, the social worker brought the boys to see their dad at his rental home outside Puyallup. After the boys rushed inside, he slammed the door in her face, locking her out. He attacked the boys with a hatchet, then torched the home in a gas-fueled inferno.
Chuck Cox, Susan Powell's father, said the images were just another indicator of problems with Josh Powell. Cox said he did not know the details of the images. He believed the kids should have been fully taken away from Powell long ago and that they raised concerns about allowing him continued contact.
"How much does it take for them to figure out that he should not have the children?" he said. "It's just wrong. They needed to be taken out of that environment."


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Pierce County Sheriff's Detective Ed Troyer told The Associated Press on Thursday night that the images collected by investigators from Powell's home computer in Utah two years ago were realistic computer-generated depictions of "incestuous" parent-child relations.
"It's family-oriented in nature," Troyer said. "It is incestuous."
Troyer said the images couldn't be legally defined as pornography because they don't involve real people.
BBM. Am I missing something here? Were they REAL people or not???? Were they (God Forbid!) images of JP doing incestuous things to his own boys? I am confused! And, WHY didn't the Cox's lawyer see these and WHY in the HELL did this judge and anyone else in authority speak up about these pics at the 2/1/12 hearing????? I am stunned!
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That Dr. Phil video w/play everytime one clicks on this link. Ugh!!
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I am still in awe of the "I have a surprise for you", stated by JP. SURPRISE is an understatement. It reads more like this: "I have a surprise for you. I am going to grab you two as soon as you darken my rented door, attempt to knock you out and make you bleed to death w/a hatchet, then I am going to pour gasoline all over you and blow up the house." angry
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Before boys’ murders, local authorities not told that Utah police believed Susan Powell was killed

OLYMPIA, Wash. — Though Utah authorities believed six months ago that missing mother Susan Cox Powell had been murdered, authorities in Washington state were not notified.

On Sunday, Josh Powell, who has been under suspicion in his wife’s disappearance since 2009, killed himself and the couple’s two children when he blew up the home where he was staying in Graham during what was supposed to be a supervised visitation with the boys.

Last Wednesday, Powell was denied custody of his children but was still allowed supervised visits. At the time of the custody hearing, neither the Department of Social and Health Services nor the Attorney General’s Office was aware that Utah police believed Susan Cox Powell had been killed.

In light of the Powell boys’ murders, Attorney General Rob McKenna said his office and the social worker should have had that information, but they were never told.

“It’s always disappointing when communication isn’t at the level that it could have been,” McKenna said in an interview on Thursday with KIRO 7 Eyewitness News Senior Political Reporter Essex Porter. “I don’t know why they didn’t share that information with us, and therefore, we had to act on information we did have.”

Though a Utah court issued a gag order related to information that Utah police sent to the custody hearing last Wednesday, the Assistant Attorney General, who was handling the custody case, said that information was about disturbing images and not the information that said Susan Powell was believed to have been killed.

John Long, Washington state's assistant attorney general who handled the Powell custody case here, told Porter he always argued the case as if Josh Powell were responsible for his wife's disappearance and that while he would have wanted to know that Utah authorities thought it was a homicide, he doesn't believe it would have made any difference.

“I think the social worker would have liked to have known that, if Utah had chosen to share that information,” McKenna said. “There’s going to be a lot of second-guessing there, and I’m sure in Utah, officials are wondering whether they should have done things differently.”

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Am going to remove the Dr. Phil video as it's getting on my last nerve because it plays everytime you click on this thread. We all know it w/be on tomorrow. Set your dvr's!!
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Josh Powell Was Victim, His Sister Claims

By ABBIE BOUDREAU and COLLEEN CURRY
GRAHAM, Wash. Feb. 9, 2012

Josh Powell's sister had once suspected him of murdering his missing wife, but now – despite killing his two sons in a fiery explosion – she believes he had nothing to do with Susan Cox's disappearance.

Alina Powell conceded to ABC News that she was suspicious of her brother when his wife vanished in 2009.

"I was. I had my doubts," she said.

But in the following two years, those doubts had been erased.

"I scrutinized him pretty deeply. I watched him when he would talk, when he would interact with anyone else. I had my doubts," Alina Powell said. But, she said, "I never, ever heard anything that was remotely suspicious in I don't know how many months."

Josh Powell was the sole person of interest in the disappearance of Susan, a label that Alina Powell said tore him apart, leading him to kill himself and his two sons, Charles, 7, and Braden, 5, this past weekend.

She depicted her brother as a victim.

"I think this was the act of somebody who had been so damaged by the lack of due process, so harassed and abused and lied about that he just reached a point of feeling like there was no... I don't know," she said.

The family of Susan Cox have said in the wake of Powell's death that West Valley City, Utah, police had been closing in on arresting Powell for the murder of Cox. They said the children had begun to describe their mother being in the trunk of the car when the father took them on a late night camping trip in freezing rain. That was the night that their mother disappeared.

But Alina Powell, and other members of Powell's family, say the police tormented Powell. They accused the West Valley City police of interfering with the custody battle between Josh and Susan's parents over the couple's two sons. The police department sent a letter to the Washington family court where custody hearings were held, claiming that images found on Josh's computer in 2009 signified danger to the boys if they were left in Josh's care.

"I think he must have just felt that there was only one way left for him to protect his sons, from the pain, from all the emotional and physical pain they've been experiencing," Alina Powell said.

Alina Powell was one of several people to receive a voicemail from her brother just minutes before he blew up his home Sunday with his sons inside. In the voicemail, Josh Powell said good-bye. His alarmed sister called 911, but responders arrived on the scene after the explosion had occurred.

"When I got there I just stopped in the middle of the road. I said it looks like his home exploded and it's just practically gone," she said. "I wake up and I feel like it didn't really happen. It just takes a few minutes for it to sink in."

While some have characterized the murder-suicide as an admission of guilt by Powell, Alina said she still believes her brother was innocent.

"I just miss them all so much. They were my boys. All three of them, they were my boys," she said.

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SEATTLE -- A computer in Josh Powell's former home in Utah had animated images that depicted "incestuous" sex between parent and child, Pierce County authorities said, and a state official said the material prompted a judge to order Powell to undergo a psycho-sexual evaluation just days before he killed his children and himself.
Pierce County Sheriff's Detective Ed Troyer told The Associated Press on Thursday night that the images collected by investigators in Utah two years ago were realistic computer-generated depictions of "incestuous" parent-child relations.
The documents and images were recovered by police in West Valley, Utah, and sent to the Pierce County Sheriff's Department under a restrictive court order on Feb. 1, NBC station KING 5 reported. According to Washington's Department of Social and Health Services Public Affairs Senior Director Thomas Shapley, the material prompted the court to stop a process that likely would have returned Charlie, 7, and Braden, 5, to their father's custody.
Shapley said the material found on the computer was so disturbing that it prompted the state psychologist consulting in the custody case to change his opinion and recommend that the court prevent the return of the children.
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Josh Powell Threatened His Mother With Knife, '90s-Era Court Documents Allege

Josh Powell Explosion: Questions About 911

By ALICE GOMSTYN (@AliceGomstyn) , CHRIS CUOMO (@ChrisCuomo) , GERRY WAGSCHAL, BROOKE STANGELAND and JOE RHEE
Feb. 9, 2012

Josh Powell, the husband of a missing Utah woman who killed himself and his two young sons last week, was a disturbed adolescent who threatened and hit his mother, according to 1992 court documents obtained by ABC News.

The documents, filed during the divorce of Josh Powell's parents in Washington state, Steven and Terrica Powell, include several statements by Terrica Powell describing her son's disturbing behavior.

Terrica Powell wrote that her son once tried to commit suicide and also threatened her with a butcher knife. On other occasions, he and one of his brothers pushed and hit her, she wrote.

Learn more about Josh Powell and Susan Powell on "Sins of the Father" on "20/20" Friday at 10 p.m. ET.

The butcher knife incident, Terrica Powell wrote, was the result of her asking her son to do the dishes.

"I felt extreme fear when Josh made a veiled threat at me with a butcher knife in his hand. His demeanor was menacing for a moment as he said, 'Don't push it, mom,'" Powell wrote. "… I was terrified and left the room to go downstairs…"

Terrica Powell has declined an interview request with ABC News.

A lawyer for Chuck and Judy Cox, the parents of Powell's missing wife, Susan Powell, echoed the allegations about the butcher knife and the suicide attempt. Lawyer Stephen Downing told "20/20" co-anchor Chris Cuomo that Josh Powell tried to kill himself by hanging.

"He was very troubled," Downing said.

Terrica Powell worried that Josh and another teenage brother could destroy their family, which included younger siblings, she wrote in a statement filed in court.

The Powell family became a subject of national interest in 2009 when Josh Powell's wife, Susan Powell, went missing.

Josh Powell was the only named person-of-interest in Susan Powell's disappearance, but he was never charged. He continually denied involvement in his wife's disappearance and later moved himself and his sons to live with his father, Steven Powell -- Terrica Powell's ex-husband -- in Washington state.

The couple's two sons were placed in the custody of Susan Powell's parents after Steven Powell was arrested on charges of voyeurism and child pornography in September 2011. Steven Powell has denied the charges.

A judge ruled earlier this month that Josh Powell could not have custody of his sons until he underwent a psycho-sexual evaluation.

Powell and his sons died in an explosion Powell ignited in his home during a supervised visit with his sons. Powell locked a social worker out of the home before the explosion.

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A computer in Josh Powell's former home in Utah had animated images that depicted "incestuous" sex between parent and child, Pierce County authorities said, and a state official said the material prompted a judge to order Powell to undergo a psycho-sexual evaluation just days before he killed his children and himself.
BBM. Are we talking "cartoons" here???? OMG!!
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lisette wrote:I don't get it. Didn't Josh's mother, Terri, write a letter in support of Josh having custody of the boys? Why would she do that, knowing what she said about him in those divorce documents mentioned above? What a messed up family!!
Lisette, I am sure you are correct because I do remember her standing behind her son in support of him having custody of his sons. I just don't know where to find it.
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Wrapitup wrote:
A computer in Josh Powell's former home in Utah had animated images that depicted "incestuous" sex between parent and child, Pierce County authorities said, and a state official said the material prompted a judge to order Powell to undergo a psycho-sexual evaluation just days before he killed his children and himself.
BBM. Are we talking "cartoons" here???? OMG!!


Did you see the movie AVATAR?
This is an example of Computer Generated Animation

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and so is this...
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these pictures shows how such images are created
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as you can see they can be very explicit with detail


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Post by raine1953 Fri Feb 10, 2012 3:25 am

I didn't see the movie but it's generally what I was thinking was found on JP's computer. But why in the hell did it take two long years for someone to pay attention?!
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OK, now I get it, Nite. Holy shit on a stick!! Could this get any sicker?????
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raine1953 wrote:I didn't see the movie but it's generally what I was thinking was found on JP's computer. But why in the hell did it take two long years for someone to pay attention?!
Didn't see it either, not my cup of tea. And, I completely agree w/you, Raine...why NOW, after the fact, is this all coming out? So much could have been done to prevent those little ones dying!!! It just makes me sick! head bang
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Post by raine1953 Fri Feb 10, 2012 3:29 am

Please don't ask that Wrap, in this case you'll probably receive.
And West Valley didn't think they had enough to yank those kids away from JP two years ago?
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Post by NiteSpinR Fri Feb 10, 2012 3:43 am

I think we all know very well that authorities will refuse to take any responsibility for what happened to Susan's sons. They are already pointing the finger of blame at other departments instead of accepting their roles in this tragedy.
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TACOMA — Hundreds of people are banding together on Facebook and other social media sites with a plan to shield mourners at Charlie and Braden Powell's Saturday funeral from protesters from the Westboro Baptist Church.

The Kansas-based church, known for picketing funerals for U.S. soldiers as a form of anti-gay protest, said Wednesday it planned to picket the memorial in protest of Gov. Chris Gregoire’s support of gay marriage, KIRO 7 news partner The News Tribune reported. Occupy Seattle later said it would counter-protest.

From The Tribune:

Margie Phelps, daughter of the Topeka, Kan.-based Westboro Baptist Church’s founder, tweeted Wednesday night that the church will attend the boys’ memorial service. The protest is to “remind” Gov. Chris Gregoire “they died because of her rebellion,” a reference to her support of same-sex marriages.

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In a later tweet referencing a story about Washington legalizing same-sex marriage, Phelps wrote “This is why God’s cursed you w Josh Powells blowing up kids.”

Jason and Annika Smith of Tacoma said they're so upset with Westboro's threat of protest, they've joined other people online to condemn what the church is planning.

"It's disgusting. I don't even understand it," Annika Smith said.

"The fact that Westboro is trying to capitalize on this tragedy is just, it's an outrage," Jason Smith said.
The couple said they're looking for ways to visibly block out the Westboro protesters, perhaps by holding up blankets or sheets of fabric.

"We're not trying to yell at them, we're not trying to get anyone angry; we're just trying to make sure these people can actually mourn in peace," said Jason Smith of Tacoma, one of the counter-protest organizers.

Occupy Seattle told The Tribune it doesn’t plan to disrupt the funeral, but wants to “protect it from Westboro’s abhorrent message.”

In response to Wesboro's plans, Alina Powell, the boys' aunt, sent this message to KIRO 7 via email (original emphasis and formatting retained):

"I have just received confirmation that the Westboro Baptist Church is planning to protest my nephews' funeral. This is a horrible, disdainful act that serves no purpose other than to continue the years-long objectification of those little boys. Charlie and Braden were not trophies to be won and paraded around; they were not bait to ferret out 'guilt' in a man; they were not 'evidence' in a 'crime'; and they most certainly arenot political pawns to be used by a church to spread yet more messages of HATE! They are only little boys and they deserve better! I am LIVID that my nephews continue to be used as a tactical maneuver, and I am LIVID that their service will be besmirched by an event a loving God would never approve! Please let my nephews rest in peace!! Hate has taken far too great a toll on us ALL already!--Please, STOP THE HATE!"

The funeral is scheduled to happen at 11 a.m. Saturday at the Life Center Church in Tacoma. Representatives there told KIRO 7 extra security will be on hand Saturday, as well as Pierce County Sheriff's deputies and Tacoma police.

"We are committed to honoring Charlie and Braden by allowing those closest to them to mourn in a loving, solemn and dignified manner," Life Center said in a statement.

Life Center added that any groups attempting to use media attention for political demonstrations will be asked to remain off church property.
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Post by raine1953 Fri Feb 10, 2012 12:11 pm

That church is beyond horrible but they sure know how to get what they want, attention.
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Post by Lilone Fri Feb 10, 2012 1:16 pm

You know, the U.S. Constitution allows peaceful protest, picketing, and other displays of opinion in public places.

It is my opinion that a funeral, it's procession, and the burial is a private and usually religious ceremony that should be protected from the demonstrations of extremists who have nothing better to do than to try to shove their own opinions down everybody else's throats.

They will gain no support by protesting at these little boys' funeral. Their attempt to desecrate the sacred ceremony of a funeral is abhorrent. Nobody in the Cox or Powell families can do anything about gay marriage.

Can't the law keep them away from such things as funerals, weddings, etc.? Isn't this, in a way, affecting the religious freedom of the grieving family?
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Post by Slys Hunny Fri Feb 10, 2012 1:26 pm

Yes they do and everytime they get thier name in a paper they relish in it. Ive seen these sick monsters first hand.As a matter of fact I have stopped going to one of my favorite stores because they were allowed to picket a funeral from the front of the store.
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Post by Guest Fri Feb 10, 2012 2:17 pm

This church has protested Soldiers funerals etc. I am a firm believer in the right to protest but not at a funeral.
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Learn more about Josh Powell and Susan Powell on "Sins of the Father" on "20/20" Friday at 10 p.m. ET.

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Post by raine1953 Fri Feb 10, 2012 3:00 pm

lindamarie wrote:This church has protested Soldiers funerals etc. I am a firm believer in the right to protest but not at a funeral.
I agree completely. I agree with all of you. Slys, I don't know what I would do if I saw those people live in front of me. They sicken me.
I think it's up to the private citizens to police these POS's unless they become unruly because of the constitution. Unfortunately they have their rights. I wish I could change that.
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Post by Wrapitup Fri Feb 10, 2012 3:07 pm

Both Dateline and 20/20 w/be running specials on this case tonight at the same time. I've got the dvr ramped up and getting ready to watch Dr. Phil.

That church is disgusting!!!!
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Post by artgal16 Fri Feb 10, 2012 3:21 pm

Its not a church its a bunch of bigots and extremists that pick their targets based upon how much attention they can get. There is nothing church-like about it.
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