Family, friends gather at vigil for missing baby Gabriel

by Wrapitup Mon Jan 25, 2010 1:44 am

by Megan Gordon - Jan. 24, 2010 09:06 PM
The Arizona Republic

With tears in their eyes, family and friends of Logan McQueary prayed for the safe return of his son, Gabriel.

Eight-month-old Gabriel Johnson has been missing since mid-December, when his mother, Elizabeth Johnson, 23, took off with him.

About 150 people attended a vigil Sunday at Chaparral Park in Scottsdale. The vigil was organized by Logan McQueary and Gabriel's aunt and uncle.

"It's sad that it's come to this," said Kelli McQueary, Gabriel's aunt. "It's something we needed to do to give back to the community who has done so much for us."

The vigil was full of local news media, which have been following the story since Gabriel's disappearance.

Through the media, the family pleaded to the public for Gabriel's homecoming.

"Return him to Logan so he can grow up with his family," said Kim Harvey, McQueary's long-time family friend.

Gabriel's great-grandmother, sitting in a wheelchair and covered with blankets, also asked for Gabriel's safe return.

"We don't want to get you in trouble. We just want him back," Dorothy Woodard said. "We're not giving up, not for a minute."

Police initially believed Gabriel was alive, but signs supporting that conclusion have weakened, authorities said.

Johnson originally told Logan McQueary, her former boyfriend, in text messages and phone calls
that she smothered Gabriel stuffed him in a baby bag and left him in a Dumpster on Dec. 27. She later said she did not kill the child.

Since her arrest, faced with charges that include kidnapping and child abuse, Johnson has invoked her right to remain silent.

At the vigil, Gabriel's dad appealed to Johnson through the media.

"I want her to stop being so stubborn," Logan McQueary said. "Just tell us what happened."

The vigil ended with Gabriel's cousins releasing white balloons and his dad releasing a green balloon in honor of Gabriel.

Everyone watched as the balloons floated away into the night.

Please click on here to see pics of the vigil. So sad!!!!!!!!

http://www.azcentral.com/community/scottsdale/articles/2010/01/24/20100124vigil0124-ON.html crying

by Wrapitup Mon Jan 25, 2010 2:48 am

Was Missing Baby Gabriel Johnson Sold by His Own Mother?
January 23, 2010 by

Speculation on "Nancy Grace" Shows that Investigators Finding Money Trail Not Adding Up
One of the more disturbing suppositions to come from the convoluted information that has been presented about missing Gabriel Johnson's case is that his mother may have actually sold him. Since she recanted her story in Florida that she killed the 8-month-old child, something she now
Was Missing Baby Gabriel Johnson Sold by His Own Mother?

Date: January 22, 2010
Tempe, AZ

Elizabeth Johnson claims she said in a pique of "revenge" against the baby's father that she says "ruined her life," a few of the details surrounding Elizabeth Johnson's dash to Florida, at least according to analysts on HLN's "Nancy Grace," are not "adding up." Investigators are putting together a money trail and it appears that Elizabeth Johnson may have had quite a bit more money when she left San Antonio without little Gabriel Johnson -- because she certainly had more than she should have when she was arrested in Florida.

According to Matt Zarrell, producer of "Nancy Grace," Elizabeth Johnson put together several hundred dollars for her sudden cross-country run. She sold her dogs for a couple hundred dollars. She took in a renter for $400 or $500. She sold her laptop computer. But, according to Zarrell, police are saying that "the numbers just don`t add up." After adding up Johnson's hotel costs (she stayed in San Antonio hotels for at least five days), gas for the trip to San Antonio, the bus ticket to Miami, the visits to salons (which included manicures and pedicures) and expensive shopping sprees when she arrived in Florida, authorities believe that Johnson spent far more than can be accounted for. What is more, when she was arrested in Florida on the warrant for custodial interference (she failed to appear at a custody hearing with Gabriel on December 28), she had nearly $500 in cash on her person.

Although investigators, which include various Arizona and Texas police agencies and the FBI, aren't openly speculating, when they say that the money isn't adding up and the person of interest has more than can readily be accounted for, there is the possibility that authorities may be pursuing the idea that Elizabeth Johnson might have sold baby Gabriel, which might account for the extra cash.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2624651/was_missing_baby_gabriel_johnson_sold.html?cat=8

by Wrapitup Mon Jan 25, 2010 7:20 am

Baby Gabriel's Mother Due Before an Ariz. Judge Today. After More Than a Month, the Search for Gabriel Continues
By CHRIS CUOMO, RICH McHUGH and SABRINA PARISE
Jan. 25, 2010

Elizabeth Johnson, the mother of missing 8-month-old Gabriel, is due before an Arizona judge today when she is expected to plead not guilty to charges including kidnapping, child abuse and custodial interference.
Baby Gabriel Johnson and his mother, Elizabeth Johnson.

Elizabeth Johnson is due before an Arizona judge today where she is expected to plead not guilty to charges including kidnapping and child abuse in the case of her missing 8-month old son, Gabriel.
(ABC News)

Johnson, 23, and the boy's biological father, Logan McQueary, were in the middle of a custody dispute when she fled Arizona with Gabriel before Christmas. Johnson allegedly sent text messages to McQueary saying she had killed their son and left his body in a trash bin.

She later changed her story and said she gave the baby to a random couple she met in a San Antonio, Texas, park. Police have been unable to confirm that the couple exists.

Another Arizona couple who say they were in talks with Johnson to adopt the baby say they also have no idea of his whereabouts, although police have named them as persons of interest for potentially withholding information.

McQueary held a vigil last night in Scottsdale, Ariz., with his friends and family. He said he still holds out hope that his son, who has been missing for more than a month, will be found alive and returned home safely.

"I hope he comes back soon," McQueary said. "I want him back more than anything else."

Johnson has refused to speak to investigators, which has put them and the prosecution in a difficult position.

"It's the dilemma of, you have somebody incarcerated but you really need their help in finding this baby, and so the real key is communication between the police and Elizabeth because that relationship will get you that piece of information that you need," Brad Garrett, an ABC News consultant and former FBI agent, said.

more of the article here:

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/baby-gabriels-mother-elizabeth-johnson-due-arizona-judge/story?id=9650972

by Guest Mon Jan 25, 2010 9:28 am

I still can't shake the feeling that Tammi Smith has more information.

by Wrapitup Mon Jan 25, 2010 9:48 am

WithPurpose wrote:I still can't shake the feeling that Tammi Smith has more information.

Neither can I.

by Wrapitup Mon Jan 25, 2010 10:53 am

by Jim Cross/KTAR; Colton Shone/KTAR and ABC News (January 25th, 2010 @ 8:15am)

Missing baby's mother pleads not guilty

PHOENIX -- The mother of missing 8-month-old Gabriel Johnson pleaded not guilty Monday to charges related to his disappearance.

Elizabeth Johnson appeared in court by video from the Maricopa County Jail. She was dressed in jail stripes.

Johnson spoke only to give her name and birthdate. A "not guilty" plea was entered for her to charges of kidnapping, child abuse and custodial interference.

The court appearance came one day after dozens of people gatehred at a candlelight vigil in Scottsdale to pray that Gabriel will be found.

Logan McQueary, the boy's father, said Sunday night's vigil did not mean the family is giving up on searching for Gabriel.

"We're not giving up at all," McQueary said, while Gabriel's great-grandmother, Dot Woodard, chimed in, "Not for a minute are we giving up."

Police say Johnson took the boy and left Arizona in December to avoid a custody hearing. They say the child was last seen with Johnson at a motel near San Antonio, Texas, on Dec. 26. Johnson was arrested in Florida several days later and returned to Arizona.

Police say Johnson -- who initially gave conflicting accounts of what happened to Gabriel -- no longer is talking with them.

McQueary said he has not spoken with Johnson, but he wants her to tell the truth. He said no new information has come for days and tips about the baby's whereabouts have declined as time passes.

"I hope he comes back soon... I love him. I want him back more than anything else," McQueary said.

McQueary said Johnson told him at one time that she had killed Gabriel and put his body in a dumpster.

"I think she might be capable of it, but I don't want to believe that she did," he said.

Johnson later said she gave the baby to a Texas couple who were strangers to her.

Meanwhile, former FBI special agent and ABC News consultant Brad Garrett said police need to keep trying to talk with Johnson "because that's going to be the key. It's going to give you more information even if she doesn't tell the truth... You have to basically convince her it's in maybe her best interests and the child's best interests to talk to you."

Garrett said police should retrace their steps.

"You may have to go back to the hotel again, pull the records of people that were staying at the hotel. Supposedly other people saw her in San Antonio with Gabriel. All of those people need to be found and interviewed."

Garrett said police also need to look at cellphones and other communications by Johnson, as well as track her car.

http://ktar.com/?nid=6&sid=1256291

Okay, she plead not guilty to kidnapping, child abuse and custodial interference. SO. WHERE IS GABRIEL?

by Nama Mon Jan 25, 2010 2:26 pm

by Wrapitup Today at 11:53 am Okay, she plead not guilty to kidnapping, child abuse and custodial interference. SO. WHERE IS GABRIEL?

Don't you remember? She gave Gabriel to a family she met at a park - but no one knows who the family is.

by Guest Mon Jan 25, 2010 2:32 pm

BJ in OR wrote:
by Wrapitup Today at 11:53 am Okay, she plead not guilty to kidnapping, child abuse and custodial interference. SO. WHERE IS GABRIEL?

Don't you remember? She gave Gabriel to a family she met at a park - but no one knows who the family is.

Not a laughing matter, but nonetheless, that was funny.

by Nama Mon Jan 25, 2010 2:57 pm

She gave Gabriel to a family she met at a park - but no one knows who the family is.

I agree, it's not a laughing matter. This was quoted from a news article.

http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/dpp/news/local/phoenix/johnson_plea_012510

by jeanne1807 Mon Jan 25, 2010 8:12 pm

Where can that beautiful little baby be? I don't follow the money trail. A baby has to be worth more than a couple thousand dollars??? They are talking about a mere pittence with $500 bucks and a day at the spa.

It could be that the dumb cluck made a deal and never got their name. She didn't care. And they might have so desparately wanted a baby they aren't giving him up for anything. The only way they will get caught is if somebody becomes suspecious and turns them in.

Or he is dead. I lean this way. Heaven help little Gabriel.

by Guest Mon Jan 25, 2010 9:50 pm

BJ in OR wrote:Arizona police would have trouble bringing homicide charges against missing baby Gabriel Johnson's mother if the child is never found, legal experts say.

Elizabeth Johnson has been charged with kidnapping, child abuse and custodial interference, but prosecuting a homicide case without a body would be difficult, The Arizona Republic reported Sunday.

Johnson allegedly first told the child's father, Logan McQueary, 25, in text messages and phone calls that she had smothered Gabriel, put his body in a bag and placed it in a trash bin on Dec. 27 after fleeing Tempe, Ariz., with the child during a custody dispute.

She then changed her story, saying she gave the child to a couple she met in a park in San Antonio, Texas, the Republic said.

To corroborate Johnson's initial statements about killing the child, police would need evidence that could include the child's body before pursuing homicide charges.

"In court, the prosecutor has to tell a story to the jury, and the problem with not having a body is you're missing part of the story," retired Tempe Police Detective Allen Reed said.

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2010/01/24/Police-weigh-charges-in-missing-baby-case/UPI-22361264389117/

Thanks for the article, BJ!

Although I want to believe that Gabriel is still alive somewhere, I know that realistically he may be dead. I'm just wondering why police can't bring homicide charges against Elizabeth based on her "confession" (via text message). If her boyfriend kept the text message, wouldn't that be enough proof that she confessed to the murder? I'm not a lawyer, but it makes sense to me! Suspect

by Guest Mon Jan 25, 2010 10:12 pm

http://sanantonio.craigslist.org/cas/1525595787.html

All right, here's my thoughts on what EJ did over the 1-2 hr time period when she had a babysitter. I think, like a few of you, that she was with a "john."

I think that b/c she was familiar w/Craig's List, to the point of knowing she could find daycare there, she probably found her "rondevue" partner on that site.

I looked under "Casual encounters" and found several postings, of people looking for partners, from Dec. 26 time period - moving forward. The one I attached above looked like it could have pulled her in, or maybe she posted... of the ones posted, this one fits the profile. Maybe she could have corresponded and stated that she would want something in return ($$, or a ring, or a bus ticket...). Or at the least, this was part of her "adventure." Recall, she posted on her MySpace account on Dec. 30 that she was feeling "adventurous." The other thing, is w/her boyfriend having broken up w/her, she was probably feeling rejected and was looking for some lovin'... . Just my thoughts.

The other thing, is if the investigators could research all postings on Craig's List under casual encounters - or even under men searching for women, over the few day span time period, they could probably connect a few more dots.

by Guest Mon Jan 25, 2010 10:57 pm

http://www.mapquest.com/maps?1c=San+Antonio&1s=TX&1a=10950+Laureate+Dr&1z=78249-3311&1y=US&1l=29.545741&1g=-98.586349&1v=ADDRESS&2c=San+Antonio&2s=TX&2a=5622+Utex+Blvd&2z=78249-1611&2y=US&2l=29.579238&2g=-98.596955&2v=ADDRESS

Ok - I mapped out the area where the hotel is that EJ stayed at - the Homegate Studios & Suites. I thought I saw one of you posting that she had La Quinta Inn booked too. That is only 7 min., 3.53 miles from the Homegate Studio and Suites.

You do have to wonder why she picked hotels that were near the airport. Maybe so that the adopter could "get away" quickly.

by TerryRose Mon Jan 25, 2010 11:42 pm

It was said that underground adoption mothers and adoptive parents leave many conflicting clues to confuse possible police intervention. With that in mind, I have thought of this possibility:
Mother and baby arrive at a hotel room, adoptive parents arrive at a nearby hotel room. They bring a car seat upon arrival with a life-sized babydoll in it and check in this way as a family, under an assumed name and phony IDs. Then, when the switch is made, the baby can be dressed as the opposite sex, even the hair could be dyed, and they exit the hotel with the baby in the car seat having thrown the dolly into a suitcase.
Assuming the baby is alive, some of the erratic things that EJ may have done may only have been her following what she was instructed to do, and that was to leave conflicting clues for law enforcement.

by NiteSpinR Tue Jan 26, 2010 12:24 am

http://www.ksat.com/news/22335906/detail.html
Authorities Looking In SA Landfill For Clues To Gabriel Johnson's Whereabouts
Stephanie Serna, KSAT 12 News Reporter

POSTED: Monday, January 25, 2010
UPDATED: 8:38 pm CST January 25, 2010

SAN ANTONIO -- The search for missing baby Gabriel Johnson continued Monday as authorities went out to a San Antonio landfill.

The San Antonio Police Department confirmed they were at the landfill Monday morning in regards to case of the missing baby, but they said they weren't searching.

The 8-month-old baby boy was last seen in the Alamo City the day after Christmas.

Supervisors at the landfill on Tessman Road would not tell KSAT crews exactly where on the property investigators were working. They also would not grant KSAT crews access to the property.

Meanwhile, Gabriel's mother, Elizabeth Johnson, was in court via video link today in Arizona.

Detectives say she is refusing to tell authorities where the baby is, or who may have him, or what led her to San Antonio.

Gabriel was last seen at a San Antonio motel with his mother, who has been indicted on charges of kidnapping, child abuse, custodial interference and conspiracy to commit custodial interference.

Johnson is refusing to speak to police about her son's disappearance.

She initially told her former boyfriend, Logan McQueary, that she smothered the baby, stuffed him in a bag and left him in a dumpster on Dec. 27. She later said she did not kill him.

McQueary was part of a vigil held Sunday night for Gabriel. He said he is still hoping to find out what happened to his boy.

Officers are investigating baby Gabriel's disappearance as both a homicide and a missing person's case -- meaning, there's still a chance that he'll be found alive.

Meanwhile, investigators in San Antonio remain tight-lipped about the entire investigation.

by NiteSpinR Tue Jan 26, 2010 12:38 am

TerryRose I agree with your thoughts about leaving a fake trail. These people of the underground are artful at what they do and this fits to me. I can't imagine her prostituting at the other hotel room in SA. Why drive to another state for that? She came to Texas with a purpose and it wasn't to get laid!
The angry phone conversation that the babysitter overheard, makes me wonder if the plans (perhaps put into play by the Smiths) started falling apart. Perhaps that's why she told the person on the other end of the line, "so what am I suppose to do now, bring him back?" (this might not be the exact phrase but it was something like that.)

by NiteSpinR Tue Jan 26, 2010 1:06 am

NiteSpinR wrote:http://www.ksat.com/news/22335906/detail.html
Meanwhile, investigators in San Antonio remain tight-lipped about the entire investigation.

I hate it when they do that!

by Wrapitup Tue Jan 26, 2010 1:50 am

Pat McReynolds
Reporter, KPHO.com

POSTED: 10:46 pm MST January 25, 2010
UPDATED: 11:10 pm MST January 25, 2010

TEMPE, Ariz. -- Logan McQueary met with Tempe investigators Monday, handing over all text messages and recorded conversations he has had with both his ex-girlfriend Elizabeth Johnson, and persons of interest Tammi and Jack Smith.

He said it was clear to him that police are building a stronger case of conspiracy to commit custodial interference.

At the same time, he is planning a trip along the same route Elizabeth Johnson's GPS would have guided her to San Antonio, Texas. He doesn't think Elizabeth would have tried to make the 15 hour drive in one night, and plans to stop at hotels along the route, searching for anyone who saw her or his missing boy.

In Scottsdale Monday, Tammi Smith revealed that Elizabeth Johnson called her from jail on Friday and tried to lure her into some type of confession.

"Basically, she just started yelling at me. She said, 'You're the one who set this up' and I said 'What?, what are you talking about?' And I was really freaked out by that because I didn't think she would just tell a lie like that," said Tammi Smith.

Both Tammi Smith and Elizabeth Johnson have been caught in lies during the investigation, but it appears Elizabeth is now trying to spread the blame.

"I said then, 'OK, tell me how I did this. How did I do it?' And she couldn't do it," said Smith.

Tammi Smith said Elizabeth Johnson slammed the phone down and hung up when she warned her that she will take the rap for anything that has happened, or will happen to Gabriel.

"If I were her, I would really, really think twice about holding her tongue. I would tell the truth now and God will give grace for that," said Tammi Smith.

http://www.kpho.com/news/22340283/detail.html

by jeanne1807 Tue Jan 26, 2010 8:57 am

"Oh those tangled webs we weave when at first we do deceive."

by Guest Tue Jan 26, 2010 9:21 am

jeanne1807 wrote:"Oh those tangled webs we weave when at first we do deceive."

That's for sure. I hope EJ starts talking soon. And when she does, I still think it's going to point a lot in the direction of Tammi Smith. Right or wrong, I still think TS orchestrated a lot of this.

by TerryRose Tue Jan 26, 2010 10:59 am

WithPurpose wrote:
jeanne1807 wrote:"Oh those tangled webs we weave when at first we do deceive."

That's for sure. I hope EJ starts talking soon. And when she does, I still think it's going to point a lot in the direction of Tammi Smith. Right or wrong, I still think TS orchestrated a lot of this.

by Nama Tue Jan 26, 2010 12:32 pm

In the case of a missing boy from Tempe, Arizona, police in San Antonio, Texas are now looking in landfills.

They won't say if they're looking specifically for baby Gabriel or just clues in the case.

Gabriel has not been seen since his mother, Elizabeth Johnson, ran off with him before Christmas.

Elizabeth is facing kidnapping charges. She plead not guilty and is not helping the police find her son.

http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/dpp/news/local/tempe/landfills_012610

by Nama Tue Jan 26, 2010 12:35 pm

by artgal16 Tue Jan 26, 2010 5:14 pm

They are no longer actively searching - the investigation is going to become a body recovery rather than a search for a live child. Even if the baby is alive, I think they feel he will never be turned in
after all this time and I agree. Interesting to see just exactly what they are going to charge her with in the end.

by Guest Tue Jan 26, 2010 5:28 pm

BJ in OR wrote:

crap the video was been removed by the user.

by Guest Tue Jan 26, 2010 5:29 pm

I don't think this baby is in the underground. I think Elizabeth ran out of options and the Smiths are involved. She knew she had to come back and surrender her Son to his Father. That was not an option for her. Selfish selfish selfish.

by TerryRose Tue Jan 26, 2010 6:31 pm

WithPurpose wrote:
jeanne1807 wrote:"Oh those tangled webs we weave when at first we do deceive."

That's for sure. I hope EJ starts talking soon. And when she does, I still think it's going to point a lot in the direction of Tammi Smith. Right or wrong, I still think TS orchestrated a lot of this.

This is also my take on the situation. From the very beginning, Tammi Smith has acted pro-actively when she knew something about herself would be made known. It is a strategy most often used by celebrities when a scandal is about to break involving them. They come forward with a confession of wrongdoing and garner people's emotions to their side before the story breaks and everyone would hate them had they waited. In this manner, they color the news to suit their best needs.

Thus have Tammi and husband Jack acted throughout. Not waiting for LE to proclaim them persons of interest, but going on TV asking to be considered so. This is a much better strategy than waiting for LE to make the first move. They can color everybody's perceptions to suit their own agenda. Tammi has just done this again. Would anyone have known about the phone call EJ made to her asking her to come clean about this case and telling her that she organized the whole thing? Tammi fears that the phone call might make its way into the news or that LE might consider it factual, so she pre-empts everybody with coming forward with the phone call conversation and paints EJ to look delusional at best. Who do I personally feel was telling the truth?----As with everything else involving those two people, I think EJ is more truthful than Tammi.

Originally, T and J Smith paint themselves as this savior of a little baby whose mother sits in airport crying, proceed to help by trying to arrange to adopt this baby, even if it meant falsifying the record. After all, it wasn't the first time they have adopted through falsifying some part of a record to get parental rights away from the bio-father. Add to that the mystery of Tammi's own children----she doesn't have custody of her own----Why?

So what do I think?----I think it is Tammi who has orchestrated this whole thing and the weak-minded young mother has looked to her to call the shots. So, naturally, she now calls her from jail still trusting this older woman, begging her to help her out of this situation by telling what she knows----what does she know?----Maybe more than EJ knows herself about who has the baby.

Does anyone think this is a ploy on the part of EJ, this phone call? I might also, save for what little we know of Tammi Smith's background and behavior that makes me suspect otherwise.

by lisette Tue Jan 26, 2010 8:27 pm

I agree with you, Terry....Something is just very suspicious about Tammi coming forward with this info about this phone call...I really believe she is trying to put EJ in a negative light to hide her own actions in this whole thing...

by Guest Tue Jan 26, 2010 8:49 pm

http://news.yahoo.com/video/us-15749625/texas-landfill-now-focus-for-missing-ariz-baby-17816228#video=17816228

Try this link for the video.

I agree w/you - this Tammi is a sneaky character.

by Wrapitup Tue Jan 26, 2010 10:25 pm

Thanks for the link, Lucy.

I also agree with you all. Tammi has something to do with this. Remember, both her and her husband's poly's came back inconclusive.

by Guest Tue Jan 26, 2010 11:04 pm

You're welcome - Wrapitup!

Gosh, this case is really bothering me. I really wish they could force her to talk.

I imagine the FBI has been working w/Craig's List and looking up adoption ads from Dec. 2009 time frame? I went onto Craig's List in San Antonio and saw a few postings for people seeking to adopt in January. - Just a few postings, however.

I wonder how these undercover places "recruit" people like EJ and their babies to their underground places?

I saw someone had posting a link to one known underground place, and I went to look it up but didn't find much.

Does anyone know how one would solicit someone from undercover?

The other thing, is they should get a fake inmate who they have her bunk with... and maybe after some time, EJ might share her story... . Simple thought - though EJ might not trust anyone nor say anything to anyone in jail.

by Guest Tue Jan 26, 2010 11:23 pm

I was just on Facebook and saw that there is a user profile called "Bring Home Gabriel Johnson." I befriended this user profile. Anyway, the goal is for people to enter their thoughts and clues. There is a "Logan McQuery" on there who has asked people to send them tips, clues, timelines and anything that could help out. I suggested he check out this site, as I think many of you had some amazing insight. You may also want to consider jumping on there, just to give your 2 cents, in case the "real" Logan McQuery is really on there, and seeking it; though I would think he's heard everything by now.

by TerryRose Tue Jan 26, 2010 11:24 pm

"I wonder how these undercover places "recruit" people like EJ and their babies to their underground places?"

This is nothing new. When I was working in the early 60's before the internet and all, rumor had it that a co-worker had just illegally adopted a baby. Women who couldn't conceive were often judged too old at maybe only 40 or so, or their husbands were judged too old, and unmarried were definitely not considered. It was so very hard for couples to qualify to adopt, so they turned to underground illegal adoptions I gather. Often I think it was through ob/gyns or such that knew an unmarried pregnant girl would have to give up her baby. So you see, even when communication was not like it is today, these people managed to find each other.

Wasn't it called "direct adoption" instead of going through an adoption agency---anybody know? It was all between the mother and the adoptive parents.

by TerryRose Tue Jan 26, 2010 11:28 pm

Lucy wrote:I was just on Facebook and saw that there is a user profile called "Bring Home Gabriel Johnson." I befriended this user profile. Anyway, the goal is for people to enter their thoughts and clues. There is a "Logan McQuery" on there who has asked people to send them tips, clues, timelines and anything that could help out. I suggested he check out this site, as I think many of you had some amazing insight. You may also want to consider jumping on there, just to give your 2 cents, in case the "real" Logan McQuery is really on there, and seeking it; though I would think he's heard everything by now.

When someone is that closely involved in a serious case such as this, don't you think it is better if he not join this blog until this is all investigated and settled? There have been a few intimately involved in some cases that have joined and it has not been pleasant. JMO, but I would not suggest that to him right now.-----Remember it's JMO and nothing more.

by Guest Wed Jan 27, 2010 3:16 am

Rainbow wrote:
Although I want to believe that Gabriel is still alive somewhere, I know that realistically he may be dead. I'm just wondering why police can't bring homicide charges against Elizabeth based on her "confession" (via text message). If her boyfriend kept the text message, wouldn't that be enough proof that she confessed to the murder? I'm not a lawyer, but it makes sense to me!

I'm just wondering if anyone has an answer to this question? :idk:
(I apologize if it was already addressed and I missed it)

by Wrapitup Wed Jan 27, 2010 3:43 am

I think they haven't because they do not have a body. Also, because she texted Logan that she killed him but told a different story in court. And then, there are the Smith's.

I think there is a lot more to this case and the police are waiting for EJ to break. If she doesn't break soon, they may charge her. IMO, they need to. Because if they charge her with murder and the baby is alive, she may come clean.

Also, you have to look at the logistics. She did not stay in one place. No one can be 100% sure just what state she either dropped off or killed crying

Gabriel. She's been charged back in Arizona with kidnapping, which is where the kidnapping took place. But she can't be charged with murder there, because everyone knows Gabriel made it at least to Texas. And as long as she's safely in jail in AZ, no Texas jurisdiction is going to jump the gun and bring the murder charges before a body is found or there is at least much more solid evidence of where the murder took place.

by Wrapitup Wed Jan 27, 2010 4:38 am

San Antonio Landfill Ready For Police Search
Donna Rossi
Reporter, KPHO.com

POSTED: 9:24 pm MST January 26, 2010
UPDATED: 10:20 pm MST January 26, 2010

San Antonio, TEXAS -- The stage appears to be set for a massive undertaking at a San Antonio landfill in connection with the disappearance of 8-month-old valley baby Gabriel Johnson.

A spokeswoman for Republic Services, which owns and operates the Tessman Road Landfill in San Antonio, confirmed that they are using their expertise in managing landfills to help police. Peg Mulloy said landfills are highly engineered and well planned out. “Things are so well engineered that we can hone in on a date and a neighborhood,” said Mulloy, referring to locating a specific cell of trash in the landfill. Mulloy confirmed that waste mangers at the landfill have identified a possible search cell based on information provided to them by police.

San Antonio is heading up the missing persons investigation as it relates to Gabriel because he was last seen in that city. San Antonio police will not speculate if or when a landfill search will start, but sources have told CBS 5 News that it could be sometime in the next two days. San Antonio police said Monday that they had one more tip to follow-up on before making a decision on a landfill search. Tuesday night, police would not say if that tip materialized.

There are two separate but parallel investigations going on. The first one is headed up by Tempe police on charges of kidnapping and custodial interference. Gabriel’s mother, Elizabeth Johnson, is the suspect in that case and is in a Maricopa County jail having been indicted on charges. The second is a missing persons investigation being conducted by San Antonio police in Texas. Depending on the outcome of that investigation, San Antonio could have a homicide case on their hands.

http://www.kpho.com/news/22350884/detail.html

by CritterFan1 Wed Jan 27, 2010 8:46 am

WithPurpose wrote:I still can't shake the feeling that Tammi Smith has more information.

I agree 100% with that statement.
I hope he is alive and living 'underground" with a new family. Hard to imagine such a little doll dead.

by Nama Wed Jan 27, 2010 4:11 pm

As the search for 8-month-old Gabriel Johnson continues -- now one month after he disappeared with his mother, Elizabeth Johnson -- the text messages she sent to the baby's father while on the run have been revealed.
It was widely publicized that Johnson told Gabriel's father that she had killed the baby, but it wasn't until today that we get a glimpse of just how nuts this chick actually must be. She gives Glen Close's character in Fatal Attraction a run for her money.

Here's one that the baby's father, Logan McQueary, shared with KPHO:

"You will never see Gabriel again. I made sure of that. And you can spend the rest of of your pathetic life wondering about him. You will never find me. I'm already boarding a plane out of the country. When I'm safe, I'll email you the exact location of dead Gabriel's little blue body, if the garbage don't come first. This is what liars like you deserve," the seemingly scorned Johnson texts.

Of course, she later recanted her claim that she had killed the baby and says she gave Gabriel to a random couple she met at a park in San Antonio, Texas.

The worst part is that, at first, cops seemed to believe the second story.

Now, we're no detective, but we can sniff out BS when it's held right in front of our face.

It wasn't until this week that police in San Antonio even searched area landfills, where if they had believed Johnson's first (more plausible) story, they should have sarched much sooner.

Now, a month after Gabriel was last seen alive, there seems to be no "couple in San Antonio," and leads in the case have begun to dry up.

http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/2010/01/ill_email_you_the_exact_locati.php

by Nama Wed Jan 27, 2010 4:14 pm

Logan McQueary has had about all he can take of scouring the Internet and staring at the phone.
"It's been long enough. I just need to get out there and do something," said McQueary.
On Tuesday, he actively joined the search for his son, dubbed Baby Gabriel, by gathering supplies for his own road trip to Texas. He plans to retrace the GPS route of his former girlfriend, Elizabeth Johnson.
"If she would have left Friday night, I don't think she would have driven through the night, especially with Gabriel," said McQueary.
It's been more than a month since Johnson told CBS 5 News she took Gabriel and fled to Texas. That's where Gabriel disappeared.
McQueary hopes to get lucky along the way and find someone who saw his missing boy.
But before he can leave, Tempe investigators need his help to build their case of conspiracy between person-of-interest Tammi Smith and Johnson.
Tempe police made copies of all of McQueary's phone recordings and text messages, including this passage from Elizabeth on Dec. 27.
Logan McQueary showed us her text that read: "You will never see Gabriel again. I made sure of that. And you can spend the rest of of your pathetic life wondering about him. You will never find me. I'm already boarding a plane out of the country. When I'm safe, I'll email you the exact location of dead Gabriel's little blue body, if the garbage don't come first. This is what liars like you deserve."
Despite those words, Logan clings to the hope that Gabriel is alive and well.
"I just want to try and keep it alive and keep handing out fliers and keep everybody, just like everybody else, just praying that he is still alive," said McQueary.
As for Smith, McQueary turned down her offer for a public apology, and thinks after her phone call with Elizabeth Johnson over the weekend, Tammi is really the one pulling the strings.
"It kind of sounded like Tammi kind of said you need to watch your mouth and be careful what you said. Maybe she said that for a reason," said
McQueary.

http://www.kpho.com/news/22350870/detail.html

by Guest Wed Jan 27, 2010 4:46 pm

Oh, how I wish someone could make this TS talk truth. I think EJ would be much better off if she came clean, regardless of what she did and/or didn't do. IMO still, whatever has happened to baby Gabriel, is in most part due to the deceipt and manipulation of a very dishonest and selfish TS. I do believe it is possible that Gabriel is being held somewhere in an illegal adoption scheme. I don't believe he's in one of the underground groups created for victims of DV and/or sexual abuse. If that was the case, I don't believe they would have held on to Gabriel given the circumstances--unless there is much more to this story that we don't know. What I mean by that is--proof that the bio father was abusive and that the court system had failed EJ and baby. Although TS has said EJ told her Logan was abusive, I don't recall hearing or seeing any accusations from EJ. I wonder where TS's 3 daughters are--I'd like to hear what they have to say about TS.

by Nama Wed Jan 27, 2010 6:20 pm

I agree about Tammi Smith....would love to hear from the children that she lost custody of.

Managers of a San Antonio, Texas landfill say a portion of the facility has been cordoned off as an area that might be searched for the body of a Tempe baby missing since last month.

Spokeswoman Peg Mulloy of Phoenix-based Republic Services says part of the firm's Tessman Road Landfill is cordoned off. She says landfill managers identified where police may look based on where and when Gabriel was last seen on December 26.

But San Antonio police said Wednesday they were not searching the landfill and wouldn't say if one is planned. They cited the integrity of their investigation into the disappearance of 8-month-old Gabriel Johnson of Tempe, Arizona.

Tempe detectives say they are holding out hope that Gabriel is still alive and won't discuss details of the ongoing investigation.

http://www.abc15.com/content/news/southeastvalley/tempe/story/Search-for-Tempe-baby-Part-of-Texas-landfill/xgsbK2cK80iD5ZWBC0ifjg.cspx

by artgal16 Wed Jan 27, 2010 6:56 pm

Someone else mentioned up thread about EJ posting the words "dead gabriels blue little body" from the message that EJ sent to Logan. Like the poster this use of the words blue little body is very significant to me. Why would she use such a term unless she had seen the child dead? She could have said his "dead body" thats what I think someone making a threat might say - but using the term blue is very disturbing
as if she had seen the child dead and with his pale skin he would have turned blue after death. The whole thing is very disturbing.

by Guest Wed Jan 27, 2010 7:43 pm

It was a disturbing text from a sick woman hell bent on revenge. No way was she going to let Gabriel Father have him. Rainbow I do think they can charge her because she admitted to doing that in writing even without a body. It is all going to depend on other evidence we don't know about yet. Like the search and details of what was found in the car etc. In the underground thread it was a long article that I read more than once. There is illegal adoption rings out there but that is not the underground. Faye's group would not get involved in a case like this. If someone does have Gabriel they are in very big trouble after all this time has went by. I just really doubt he is alive. I think in a fit of rage she killed Gabriel when she heard from Tammy that Logan was granted full custody. I think Tammy Smith knows this and don't want it to come out because of how deep she is involved in this. Not in killing him but giving Elizabeth the money and means to run away with Gabriel. That in my mind makes her an accessory to murder.

by TerryRose Wed Jan 27, 2010 8:21 pm

artgal16 wrote:Someone else mentioned up thread about EJ posting the words "dead gabriels blue little body" from the message that EJ sent to Logan. Like the poster this use of the words blue little body is very significant to me. Why would she use such a term unless she had seen the child dead? She could have said his "dead body" thats what I think someone making a threat might say - but using the term blue is very disturbing
as if she had seen the child dead and with his pale skin he would have turned blue after death. The whole thing is very disturbing.

This is something I shudder to even write about. I have seen a stillborn and he was not blue. I have seen people immediately following their deaths onward into the first few hours afterward and none of them were blue. There used to be babies born blue for some life-threatening reason I cannot recall, and of course there is the "code blue" meaning. I just don't know if her use of the adjective actually means anything or not when in reference to an 8 1/2 month old baby---would he be blue if suffocated?----or is this only what she would imagine his color to be if she had done that? This topic is very unpleasant, but I just question her use of that adjective.

by artgal16 Wed Jan 27, 2010 8:59 pm

Here is something interesting regarding giving children Orajel for a teething problem:

The fact of the matter is that benzocaine-based anesthetics like Baby Orajel and Anbesol have been linked to methemoglobinemia, a rare but life threatening condition also known as “blue baby syndrome.” No, you do not want your baby to have this reaction, and yes it could kill her.

In plain English, methemoglobinemia is a condition in which your blood stops carrying oxygen properly (remember, oxygen is the stuff we breathe: without it, we suffocate). Nitrates and topical anesthetics can cause your blood to produce too much metheglobin and not enough oxygen-binding hemoglobin. That’s what we don’t want.

Notice it mentions the baby turns blue

source:
www.hippiedippiebebe.com/health/orajel-benzocaine-safe-babies

by TerryRose Wed Jan 27, 2010 9:35 pm

Thanks, Artgal, never knew there was any danger to Orajel beyond swallowing it and making one's throat feel unable to swallow----Wow! Thanks for posting that warning to us all!

by artgal16 Wed Jan 27, 2010 9:41 pm

I never heard this either. Its amazing what you can find on the internet. The subject I wanted to check was if a baby can turn blue and apparently it can when suffocated or anything that would cause lack of oxygen. This bolsters EJ's statement about the baby turning blue. I fear the child is dead and I too wonder why they cannot use her message to the father as a confession of sorts.

by Guest Thu Jan 28, 2010 2:07 am

Thanks Wrap & lindamarie for answering my question. I guess we will just have to wait and see what happens, but I do hope that she comes clean soon! I agree that the longer this drags on, the less likely it is that LE will find a live baby Gabriel.

by Wrapitup Thu Jan 28, 2010 2:34 am

EJ also said she was hopping a plane out of the country and that was a lie, so maybe it's a lie about everything else she texted him.

I am confused. Is San Antonio searching or not searching landfills?

by Wrapitup Thu Jan 28, 2010 2:59 am

Gabriel Johnson case: Sheriff Joe Arpaio speaks out about missing boy's mom, Elizabeth Johnson
January 28, 1:06 AMCrime ExaminerCindy Adams

The mother of missing 9-month-old Arizona boy, Gabriel Johnson, sits in the Estrella Jail in Maricopa County, Arizona, the territory of well-known lawman, Sheriff Joe Arpaio.

Arpaio, who has a reputation for being tough on his inmates, told KPHO “We have her in a separate cell, isolated from other prisoners, for her own safety. She can come out once, one hour, to take a shower by herself.”

Johnson found herself behind the jail’s bars after leaving the area with little Gabriel in late December and finally being arrested in Miami, Fla. She told police she gave the boy to an unknown couple in San Antonio, Tex. during her trek, but prior to her arrest, she had contacted Gabriel’s father, Logan McQueary, saying the boy was dead.

Johnson is now charged with Gabriel’s kidnapping and his whereabouts remain a mystery.

“She’s been quiet, cooperative, not a problem in our jail. Maybe she’s got a dual personality,” Arpaio said.

According to KPHO, Johnson must wear the traditional pink underwear and striped uniform that Arpaio requires of all his inmates. He said she receives no special treatment.

The sheriff also said he is keeping a close watch on Johnson and noted, “She hasn’t been causing any problems, but you never know.”

Anyone with information regarding Gabriel or his whereabouts is urged to call Tempe Police at 480-350-8311 or Silent Witness at 480-948-6377.

http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2010m1d28-Gabriel-Johnson-case-Sheriff-Joe-Arpaio-speaks-out-about-missing-boys-mom-Elizabeth-Johnson

She sounds exactly like Casey Anthony.

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