Tammi Smith and Elizabeth Johnson scheduled to go to trial Aug 9 to face criminal charges in the case of the missing Gabriel Johnson/ / Johnson said she killed her son Gabriel/ Audio of Elizabeth's call to Logan just released 12/14/10

Gabriel Johnson case: Sheriff Joe Arpaio speaks out about missing boy's mom, Elizabeth Johnson
January 28, 1:06 AMCrime ExaminerCindy Adams

The mother of missing 9-month-old Arizona boy, Gabriel Johnson, sits in the Estrella Jail in Maricopa County, Arizona, the territory of well-known lawman, Sheriff Joe Arpaio.

Arpaio, who has a reputation for being tough on his inmates, told KPHO “We have her in a separate cell, isolated from other prisoners, for her own safety. She can come out once, one hour, to take a shower by herself.”

Johnson found herself behind the jail’s bars after leaving the area with little Gabriel in late December and finally being arrested in Miami, Fla. She told police she gave the boy to an unknown couple in San Antonio, Tex. during her trek, but prior to her arrest, she had contacted Gabriel’s father, Logan McQueary, saying the boy was dead.

Johnson is now charged with Gabriel’s kidnapping and his whereabouts remain a mystery.

“She’s been quiet, cooperative, not a problem in our jail. Maybe she’s got a dual personality,” Arpaio said.

According to KPHO, Johnson must wear the traditional pink underwear and striped uniform that Arpaio requires of all his inmates. He said she receives no special treatment.

The sheriff also said he is keeping a close watch on Johnson and noted, “She hasn’t been causing any problems, but you never know.”

Anyone with information regarding Gabriel or his whereabouts is urged to call Tempe Police at 480-350-8311 or Silent Witness at 480-948-6377.

http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2010m1d28-Gabriel-Johnson-case-Sheriff-Joe-Arpaio-speaks-out-about-missing-boys-mom-Elizabeth-Johnson

She sounds exactly like Casey Anthony.

Wrapitup wrote:EJ also said she was hopping a plane out of the country and that was a lie, so maybe it's a lie about everything else she texted him.

I am confused. Is San Antonio searching or not searching landfills?

Do you know if planes to South America, Mexico, etc. leave from Miami? Any from San Antonio or nearby? Would she have had to board such a plane in Miami and that is why she traveled there?

Planes fly anywhere from Miami. So yes, that may be why she traveled there. She could have done the same thing in Dallas, Houston or Orlando.

If EJ really didnt know any details of the people that she supposedly gave the child to, then she is really out of luck. They arent going to come forward. If she had more money than can be explained and with that fact the assumption is that she actually sold the baby, then she should also be charged with human trafficking and I think if you cross state lines its a federal offense and she would go to a federal prison when convicted. If they cant pin a murder on her at least they can throw every possible charge against her to keep her in jail for a very long time.

artgal16 wrote:If EJ really didnt know any details of the people that she supposedly gave the child to, then she is really out of luck. They arent going to come forward. If she had more money than can be explained and with that fact the assumption is that she actually sold the baby, then she should also be charged with human trafficking and I think if you cross state lines its a federal offense and she would go to a federal prison when convicted. If they cant pin a murder on her at least they can throw every possible charge against her to keep her in jail for a very long time.

They should charge her with everything they can under the law.

Any person, much less any MOTHER, who could make a statement like this:

"You will never see Gabriel again. I made sure of that. And you can spend the rest of of your pathetic life wondering about him. You will never find me. I'm already boarding a plane out of the country. When I'm safe, I'll email you the exact location of dead Gabriel's little blue body, if the garbage don't come first. This is what liars like you deserve,"

did not give a damn about her child. To even visualize her child dead, blue and in the garbage signifies just how sick and twisted this girl is.

Until I had read the text verbatim, I thought there was hope Gabriel is alive. But, I don't anymore. I think he will eventually be found in Texas somewhere. Then, it will be up to Texas to file murder charges and they don't play here.

You and I could never write that, Wrap, but not everyone in this world is like you and me. I wonder also about her inability to bond with her baby and what the story is behind that lack of mother instinct.

TR, so are you saying that even though she wrote those words - she did not kill Gabriel???

I think her lack of mothering instinct (an oxymoron - LOL) is due to being in many foster homes.

I don't under the sympathy for Elizabeth at all. She had options. Gabriel is the victim not Elizabeth. Many fine respectable people have been raised in foster homes. Elizabeth is no different than KC.

This is true Linda - Elizabeth is no different from KC.
What makes a sociopath? Both EJ and KC are sociopaths - one from a stable family (maybe not so stable but at least one family) the other raised in a series of foster homes. Maybe they have a "chip"missing like Jennifer Aniston famously said
about Brad Pitt - that he had a sensitivity chip missing when he spoke about their relationship. Maybe these women have a moral chip missing - because in essence they are amoral. Probably an old fashioned term but a good one -without morality.

Wrapitup wrote:TR, so are you saying that even though she wrote those words - she did not kill Gabriel???

I think her lack of mothering instinct (an oxymoron - LOL) is due to being in many foster homes.

In answer to the above, I have seen many tough-talking offensive mothers in my time and I could never utter the horrendous things I have heard them say about their own kids, but their kids grew up unabused and normal, no matter what garbage came out of their mothers' mouths. Some moms like to say things for "shock value"---why, I don't know. In our day, remember how many mothers threatened their kids with the phrase "I brought you into this world and I can take you out of it"?---Same kind of thing, same unmeant threat, offensive to people like me but they thought nothing of it. Or how many times did we hear Moms say "I could kill you" in their anger, just another example of idle threats.

It is obvious she wanted to hurt the ex she evidently came to hate and who she thought had "ruined her life" (and maybe he really did, who knows?). But was she spitefully tough-talking, making it up for the most shock value and the highest level of inflicting hurt upon Logan? I do not know, I go both ways with this. She seems smart enough not to text this if she was actually confessing to a murder, I wonder if she would have texted him at all in that case. I just don't know, but, unlike maybe the majority of members here, I do not think this young woman is anything like KC, except that both were mentally troubled but in different ways.

I view KC as pretty much a spoiled brat, EJ had a life from the school of hard knocks.
KC is thought to have killed her child the first opportunity she got, EJ goes looking for a good home for him.
KC wants to get rid of the child, EJ recognizes that she is not a good mom and doesn't even want to be a mom and does not agree that Logan would provide any better place for the baby than herself. She claims he is abusive, but he gets custody and she panics because of it and flees with the baby.
KC lies, cheats, and steals her way through life. EJ sells her stuff to take her baby to where there would be parents willing to adopt.
KC acts alone. EJ relies upon an older woman to quide her through giving up her alive child.
KC loves nothing but to party. EJ was probably left day in day out in an apartment supposed to be taking care of her baby while the father came and went as he pleased. There is nobody coming forward suggesting EJ was a party girl or that she did drugs or that she was involved in anything illegal. The only known problem seems to be that she is given to rages in which she destroys property but has never hurt a human or an animal because nobody has come forward to say that she has ever done that.

I keep trying to figure her out, but it really isn't possible because LE is playing this one close to the vest. There is an awful lot they are aware of that they just aren't saying. It seems that they have been prodded by the media and the public to make it appear that they are checking dumpsters and landfills, but it has not looked like they have done that very earnestly. They must know something we don't and it seems that, as up to the present time, they figure that the baby is still alive and with someone else.

I could be very wrong about the whole thing, but all we can do is speculate because we just do not know enough of what law enforcement appears to know.

I hope you all did not think by making the statement that I made that I have an ounce of sympathy for EJ. I was only answering a possible WHY she has zero mothering skills or lack thereof. IMHO, she is a psychopath.

Well terryrose as always makes some really good points in the differences between KC and Elizabeth. To me it is always the bottom line is if she killed Gabriel she is no better than KC. No wrap I know you better than that. But it was not being brought up in foster homes that made Elizabeth in to a bad Mother. Some Women are just not cut out for Motherhood. I can't get by some of the stuff we do know. At times like this I wish all states had the sunshine law.

TerryRose Well said.

I want to say, TR, that you made a lot of good points. I typed my response at the same time you typed yours so I had not read yours when mine appeared on the thread. I hope that makes sense.

I do wonder if LE is playing this one close to the vest or they just don't know anymore than the general public.

Just received a news alert that Phoenix is eliminating 500 law enforcement and fire positions (256 and 144 respectively) to help balance the budget. This shouldn't impact Gabriel's case, but I don't see how these abusers and murderers can be removed from society if we limit the LE.

WithPurpose wrote: Just received a news alert that Phoenix is eliminating 500 law enforcement and fire positions (256 and 144 respectively) to help balance the budget. This shouldn't impact Gabriel's case, but I don't see how these abusers and murderers can be removed from society if we limit the LE.

Unfortunately this is going on all over the country, reducing safety forces at a time when crime is rampant, because of money problems in the cities. It seems like we need more policemen, not less, but many cities and states are broke. Realistically, it has to have an impact over how thorough cases are investigated because it is all about manpower and paid time, so one wonders if they can do as good a job in finding Gabriel as they might with more manpower and money.

Lindamarie said "Some Women are just not cut out for Motherhood." ------You got that right, LM!

I have a simple solution to solving all these crimes, so that we wouldn't need as much manpower to solve these cases. (I'm serious on this one.) I've always thought they should microchip everyone. Obviously, they would never do it, b/c of "invasion of privacy." However, if they just microchipped everyone, then, if anyone ever went missing, it would be that simple - to locate them via GPS. Similarly, if people killed others, the people linked to the crime via the GPS would be busted.

Lucy wrote:I have a simple solution to solving all these crimes, so that we wouldn't need as much manpower to solve these cases. (I'm serious on this one.) I've always thought they should microchip everyone. Obviously, they would never do it, b/c of "invasion of privacy." However, if they just microchipped everyone, then, if anyone ever went missing, it would be that simple - to locate them via GPS. Similarly, if people killed others, the people linked to the crime via the GPS would be busted.

This is precisely what most people fear---"Big Brother", and it is precisely what the preachers call "The mark of the beast" so I would think people would fight this idea tooth and nail. Even though it sounds so very practical, like all things man gets his hands on and all scientific discoveries man makes, he finds a way to misuse it for harm instead of good.

Lucy wrote:I have a simple solution to solving all these crimes, so that we wouldn't need as much manpower to solve these cases. (I'm serious on this one.) I've always thought they should microchip everyone. Obviously, they would never do it, b/c of "invasion of privacy." However, if they just microchipped everyone, then, if anyone ever went missing, it would be that simple - to locate them via GPS. Similarly, if people killed others, the people linked to the crime via the GPS would be busted.

:nono:

TerryRose wrote:

Wrapitup wrote:TR, so are you saying that even though she wrote those words - she did not kill Gabriel???

I think her lack of mothering instinct (an oxymoron - LOL) is due to being in many foster homes.

In answer to the above, I have seen many tough-talking offensive mothers in my time and I could never utter the horrendous things I have heard them say about their own kids, but their kids grew up unabused and normal, no matter what garbage came out of their mothers' mouths. Some moms like to say things for "shock value"---why, I don't know. In our day, remember how many mothers threatened their kids with the phrase "I brought you into this world and I can take you out of it"?---Same kind of thing, same unmeant threat, offensive to people like me but they thought nothing of it. Or how many times did we hear Moms say "I could kill you" in their anger, just another example of idle threats.

It is obvious she wanted to hurt the ex she evidently came to hate and who she thought had "ruined her life" (and maybe he really did, who knows?). But was she spitefully tough-talking, making it up for the most shock value and the highest level of inflicting hurt upon Logan? I do not know, I go both ways with this. She seems smart enough not to text this if she was actually confessing to a murder, I wonder if she would have texted him at all in that case. I just don't know, but, unlike maybe the majority of members here, I do not think this young woman is anything like KC, except that both were mentally troubled but in different ways.

I view KC as pretty much a spoiled brat, EJ had a life from the school of hard knocks.
KC is thought to have killed her child the first opportunity she got, EJ goes looking for a good home for him.
KC wants to get rid of the child, EJ recognizes that she is not a good mom and doesn't even want to be a mom and does not agree that Logan would provide any better place for the baby than herself. She claims he is abusive, but he gets custody and she panics because of it and flees with the baby.
KC lies, cheats, and steals her way through life. EJ sells her stuff to take her baby to where there would be parents willing to adopt.
KC acts alone. EJ relies upon an older woman to quide her through giving up her alive child.
KC loves nothing but to party. EJ was probably left day in day out in an apartment supposed to be taking care of her baby while the father came and went as he pleased. There is nobody coming forward suggesting EJ was a party girl or that she did drugs or that she was involved in anything illegal. The only known problem seems to be that she is given to rages in which she destroys property but has never hurt a human or an animal because nobody has come forward to say that she has ever done that.

I keep trying to figure her out, but it really isn't possible because LE is playing this one close to the vest. There is an awful lot they are aware of that they just aren't saying. It seems that they have been prodded by the media and the public to make it appear that they are checking dumpsters and landfills, but it has not looked like they have done that very earnestly. They must know something we don't and it seems that, as up to the present time, they figure that the baby is still alive and with someone else.

I could be very wrong about the whole thing, but all we can do is speculate because we just do not know enough of what law enforcement appears to know.

I think that was a very good comparison, Terry Rose! :clapping:

The text messages that she sent to her boyfriend about killing Gabriel are very disturbing, and yet for some reason she had a lot of anger towards him (the boyfriend). I don't know the exact reason for that, but it's obvious that she wanted to hurt him. However, whether she would actually take her own child's life is the big question! I guess a lot would depend on her frame of mind at the time. Although she may have been a caring mother to Gabriel, being alone with him in a motel at Christmas may have caused her to snap.

Ya'll have seen the pics and read about EJ tearing/cutting up their things and two apartments.
That Bitch snapped way before Christmas in Texas!

IMO. She was out to hurt Logan not the baby. I think she may have been neglectful and distant from her child, but I don't think she intentionally took his life. Although his death may have occurred because of her neglect or over medicating him.

TerryRose wrote:Do you know if planes to South America, Mexico, etc. leave from Miami? Any from San Antonio or nearby? Would she have had to board such a plane in Miami and that is why she traveled there?

The Mexican Border is 150 miles from San Antonio. Monterrey Mexico is about a 5 hour drive.
First Class Bus Fare is under $100.
San Antonio Airport (near both hotels where she was registered) has numerous flights to and from Mexico. The cost is around $400.
You have to have a passport!!!

WithPurpose wrote:TerryRose Well said.

Having a womb and eggs does not a mother make. You have to have a deep desire to have a child or it can be a disaster. Look at all of these people treating their 'treasures' like garbage.

Lucy wrote:I have a simple solution to solving all these crimes, so that we wouldn't need as much manpower to solve these cases. (I'm serious on this one.) I've always thought they should microchip everyone. Obviously, they would never do it, b/c of "invasion of privacy." However, if they just microchipped everyone, then, if anyone ever went missing, it would be that simple - to locate them via GPS. Similarly, if people killed others, the people linked to the crime via the GPS would be busted.

The downside is if the information gets into the wrong hands. I can see a lot more women and children (and sometimes men) at risk because their abuser is able to locate them. You're absolutely right that it would be much easier to link them to the crime, but I don't think that would stop the majority of these psychopaths from committing the crime because in their minds, their victims are their property and they have a right to do whatever they want to them. And what about the computer systems/programs? Are they reliable enough that they couldn't be broke into and information altered? I think there's always someone that can figure out a way to break the system and wreak havoc. And could it be assured that people wouldn't be able to remove the chip from themselves or from their victim(s)? I actually do like the idea if all the "ifs" were taken care of, but I think the majority of the population would fight this tooth and nail.

The majority of the population would fight this tooth and because it's so simple a solution. IMHO, it has zero to do with anything "biblical" and would resolve many cases. We would know where Haleigh, Jenniefer Kesse, Trenton Duckett is. OR, it would stop people from doing these crimes.

Of course, many will disagree and I understand that. But, Lucy, I have thought the same thing. They microchip animals and it works. Aren't our children worth it?

This gets into, for me, "at what price freedom"?
Yes its a dangerous world and yes I want my animals microchipped and I probably wouldnt mind microchipping my 38 year old daughter too!
Im sure she would dearly LOVE to hear that! but then
you get into bunch of thorny issues like rights of privacy and the big brother aspect. I think we are dealing with so many other issues here that if resolved
a lot of the dangerous situations that children are placed in might be averted. One of them is more grandparents rights! I was in a granchild custody battle and I lost. The judge looked at me and said
that one day my grandchildren will want to know why they were kept from my husband and I. Its too late for my husband who passed away, but after 10 years I was contacted by my grandchildren - they are twin girls. The judge wasnt right then, though when she awared custody to my husbands ex wife - yes the twins
grandmother as well - but she was adopting them
and once adopted she was legally their mother and grandparents though we all were - we no longer had status. I know that if more grandparents had standing when they knew children were in dangerous situations instead of being shut out by the courts, that many of these cases might be averted. But as it stands now we are helpless in most cases.

I completely agree with you, Artgal. This plays right into the thread we have on Grandparent's rights.

artgal16 wrote:This gets into, for me, "at what price freedom"?
Yes its a dangerous world and yes I want my animals microchipped and I probably wouldnt mind microchipping my 38 year old daughter too!
Im sure she would dearly LOVE to hear that! but then
you get into bunch of thorny issues like rights of privacy and the big brother aspect. I think we are dealing with so many other issues here that if resolved
a lot of the dangerous situations that children are placed in might be averted. One of them is more grandparents rights! I was in a granchild custody battle and I lost. The judge looked at me and said
that one day my grandchildren will want to know why they were kept from my husband and I. Its too late for my husband who passed away, but after 10 years I was contacted by my grandchildren - they are twin girls. The judge wasnt right then, though when she awared custody to my husbands ex wife - yes the twins
grandmother as well - but she was adopting them
and once adopted she was legally their mother and grandparents though we all were - we no longer had status. I know that if more grandparents had standing when they knew children were in dangerous situations instead of being shut out by the courts, that many of these cases might be averted. But as it stands now we are helpless in most cases.

What would happen if this came to be?---I envision law-abiding citizens being snooped on and all their activities tracked, meanwhile the criminal element would figure out in no time flat how to disable the devices.

Jesse Ventura has addressed this on Conspiracy Theories. The microchips they want to put into your drivers' licenses pulls up your picture and all your ID info at quite a distance before you get to a toll booth on the highway. The problem is that these handheld readers would be available for purchase to all citizens and therefore your important ID information is subject to theft all the more.

I never heard of microchips put into your DL. Heck, a lot of perv's don't even carry a DL. I mean an actual microchip in your body. Women/girls are being injected with something for birth control. To me, as in animals, an actual microchip that could be used as a tracking device in children is not a bad idea. Yes, it is controversial. However, if this had taken place say..20 years ago..it would no longer be that controversial.

Maybe I think too simply. IDK. All I DO know is that there are hundreds, thousands of children and adults missing and we have no way of knowing how to find them.

Let me just say that I in no way think microchipping is the end all way of finding the missing. And could criminals find a way to de-frag the chip? Sure, anything is possible. All I am saying is if it brings children home,it is worth it. IMO, it's at least worth thinking about. That is all.

Baby Gabriel Johnson investigation
by Kevin Kennedy - Jan. 28, 2010 10:07 PM
12 News

Police in San Antonio, Texas say they are moving "full steam ahead" in the search for Gabriel Johnson. The 8-month old was last seen in San Antonio on December, 26th, "We have some things in the planning stage and will undertake soon in our attempts to find baby Gabriel," said Chief William McManus.

While the owners of a landfill in San Antonio have been contacted police say they have no immediate plans to search the area. As of now they are focused on finding the baby, "If we believe the baby was dead we would open a homicide investigation, now that is not the case," said McManus. Police would not elaborate on what sort of plan they have been working on.

http://www.azcentral.com/12news/news/articles/2010/01/28/20100128missingbaby01282010-CR.html

Kind of an odd contradiction between Tempe LE and San Antonio LE. I wonder why.

WithPurpose wrote:Baby Gabriel Johnson investigation
by Kevin Kennedy - Jan. 28, 2010 10:07 PM
12 News

Police in San Antonio, Texas say they are moving "full steam ahead" in the search for Gabriel Johnson. The 8-month old was last seen in San Antonio on December, 26th, "We have some things in the planning stage and will undertake soon in our attempts to find baby Gabriel," said Chief William McManus.

While the owners of a landfill in San Antonio have been contacted police say they have no immediate plans to search the area. As of now they are focused on finding the baby, "If we believe the baby was dead we would open a homicide investigation, now that is not the case," said McManus. Police would not elaborate on what sort of plan they have been working on.

http://www.azcentral.com/12news/news/articles/2010/01/28/20100128missingbaby01282010-CR.html

Kind of an odd contradiction between Tempe LE and San Antonio LE. I wonder why.

Aha!!!!! Sounds very promising for little baby Gabriel!

Wrapitup wrote:I never heard of microchips put into your DL. Heck, a lot of perv's don't even carry a DL. I mean an actual microchip in your body. Women/girls are being injected with something for birth control. To me, as in animals, an actual microchip that could be used as a tracking device in children is not a bad idea. Yes, it is controversial. However, if this had taken place say..20 years ago..it would no longer be that controversial.

Maybe I think too simply. IDK. All I DO know is that there are hundreds, thousands of children and adults missing and we have no way of knowing how to find them.

Let me just say that I in no way think microchipping is the end all way of finding the missing. And could criminals find a way to de-frag the chip? Sure, anything is possible. All I am saying is if it brings children home,it is worth it. IMO, it's at least worth thinking about. That is all.

According to J. Ventura, I repeat that anybody could walk around with a handheld reader of these chips---It might just put children in more jeopardy if a perv wants to find out where a certain child lives, his name, etc.
PS: Not all abductors are stupid criminals and, just like they do with their victims' cellphones, they will cruelly and crudely dig out those chips from their victims as soon as they can and discard them somewhere, thus causing more suffering and pain to their victims.

TerryRose wrote:

WithPurpose wrote:Baby Gabriel Johnson investigation
by Kevin Kennedy - Jan. 28, 2010 10:07 PM
12 News

Police in San Antonio, Texas say they are moving "full steam ahead" in the search for Gabriel Johnson. The 8-month old was last seen in San Antonio on December, 26th, "We have some things in the planning stage and will undertake soon in our attempts to find baby Gabriel," said Chief William McManus.

While the owners of a landfill in San Antonio have been contacted police say they have no immediate plans to search the area. As of now they are focused on finding the baby, "If we believe the baby was dead we would open a homicide investigation, now that is not the case," said McManus. Police would not elaborate on what sort of plan they have been working on.

http://www.azcentral.com/12news/news/articles/2010/01/28/20100128missingbaby01282010-CR.html

Kind of an odd contradiction between Tempe LE and San Antonio LE. I wonder why.

Aha!!!!! Sounds very promising for little baby Gabriel!

Just bumping this important post to be the last so that nobody coming in misses it. Thanks, Withpurpose!

First, and of most importance, I ditto the "YEAY" on the last posting - that they don't same to feel the need to search for a deceased body yet. That is great news.

Next, onto the microchip discussion. While it is a complete invasion of privacy, if only a select few at the top of the govt had access to the microchip data, and it was in a highly secure FBI type of area, and it were used only in certain cases (like solving crimes), I think it would definitely be 500% worth having everyone get microchips. Crime would definitely go down across the country. With this, many more lives would be spared on a yearly basis, as people would know that they couldn't get away with murder due to tracking devices. It's that simple.

For the number of people murdered and kidnapped and that go missing on a yearly basis, I think it would be totally worth it. I'm sure any parent who had one taken from them would gladly go back in time and have had their kids microchipped.

Just my two cents, though I respect everyone's differences.

I think someday it will happen, even if it is via this microchip on driver's licenses. (I had never heard of that.) It makes sense though. Who doesn't carry their license everywhere they go?

The article is an interesting take on this case. I think the length of time is a big factor - for one, the longer EJ sits in jail without breaking down, signals to me the child is dead and second the length of time with no one dropping the child at a safe location like a hospital
anonymously also makes me thing the child is dead.
I can possibly understand some couples going underground to adopt but its hard to believe that seeing the terrible circumstances that have occured from their taking the child that they wouldnt leave him some where safe and do it anonymously.

Artgal - the only thing is that the couple who may have him, probably would realize that they are in some deep trouble, since they were also conspiring to adopt a child through an illegal means. Plus, now that they (may) have had the child for so long, they would be in that much more trouble. That might figure they will sit tight lipped, until people start to forget about the case... . I also don't know if they would feel that they could drop him off anonymously. There are video cameras outside of a lot of buildings, like hospitals and such... . So, they might be afraid of getting in trouble. (Just trying to stay positive that he is alive right now.)

If Gabriel is with new parents, they probably don't really care where Elizabeth is or what is happening to her. They chose to take the child in this fashion probably because they couldn't adopt legally. This makes the odds even greater that they will not come forward now.
If the plan was for Elizabeth to disappear out of theirs and Gabriel's lives... she can do that just as easily while incarcerated. It may be considered a PLUS that she can't change her mind and come looking for them, because she'll be locked up for a long time.

:lightning:
I find irony in the fact that Elizabeth may have handed her child off to strangers in order to hurt her Ex, and now because she was apprehended and cannot name them she will loose the freedom she was obviously so desperate to have!

Lucy wrote:I have a simple solution to solving all these crimes, so that we wouldn't need as much manpower to solve these cases. (I'm serious on this one.) I've always thought they should microchip everyone. Obviously, they would never do it, b/c of "invasion of privacy." However, if they just microchipped everyone, then, if anyone ever went missing, it would be that simple - to locate them via GPS. Similarly, if people killed others, the people linked to the crime via the GPS would be busted.

Lucy, you are my kind of gal. How can my animals be so easily located with a chip and not someones child or grandchild. Excuse my French. Screw rights of privacy. If a chip meant I would get my family back, chip away. After Hurrricane Katrina I became a big believer in chipping everyone at birth. Do you know that there are still children and parents that were lost to each other during the storm and have never found each other? :clapping:

Micro =tiny. I think maybe people are thinking in terms of something that could be seen with the human eye. With today's technology, I am pretty sure the scientist's out there could invent something minuscule that would go into to the body at birth. I know this sounds outlandish but so are the crimes that are being committed. There HAS to be a way of finding the children and bringing them home. Haleigh will be missing one year next month. I can guarantee you if she had been microchipped or whatever name you want to call it, she would have been found by now.

This technology sounds invasive, I know, but if it saves lives, it is worth it. This is my opinion only.

Reported by: Rudabeh Shahbazi
Email: RShahbazi@abc15.com
Last Update: 1/30 11:16 pm

PHOENIX, ARIZ.-- Police and the FBI have been searching for a 9-month old Tempe baby for more than a month with no luck, and now a world famous investigator is offering his help for free.

Jay J. Armes, otherwise known as "The Investigator," has been finding missing people for 40 years. He was made famous for finding Marlon Brando's son in the 70's.

Armes sometimes charges up to $1 million a case, but for baby Gabriel Johnson, he and his team are offering to do it for free.

"Because of the way it happened and the way the girl started lying from the beginning," Armes told ABC15 on a phone interview from Texas. "At first she had given it to a couple, and then she didn't know who the couple were. The harder the cases are, the more challenging they are to me."

Meanwhile, Gabriel's father, Logan McQueary, is getting his own team together to retrace Elizabeth Johnson's steps. They plan to make a road trip to Texas, passing out flyers along the way, and searching for any possible places Johnson may have spent the night before reaching San Antonio.

"We have not started a homicide case, we are still considering it as a missing person case," said San Antonio Police Chief William McManus.

Like San Antonio Police and McQueary, Armes still believes Gabriel is alive, though Johnson will not cooperate with authorities.

"There's got to be a reason why she's throwing everybody off," said Armes.

Armes said he thinks Gabriel was "adopted underground," and that he and his team have recovered hundreds of children who went missing in such arrangements around the world.

The investigator said he solves cases by following every lead, like the rumor that a woman on the other side of the country adopted a baby named Gabriel the same day Gabriel Johnson went missing.

Armes said another key to his success is tough interrogations and deeper probes of "persons of interest," like Jack and Tami Smith, who were friends with Elizabeth and had hoped to adopt Gabriel.

"I think there's something there," said Armes about the Smiths. "Where there's smoke, there's fire, and I think they should be doing a background on them since the day they were born."

McQueary said he has not agreed to work with Armes yet, but does plan to meet with him in the near future.

http://www.abc15.com/content/news/southeastvalley/tempe/story/World-renowned-investigator-offers-to-help-find/s_YjDv3DlkWy4sO_Gbc9xw.cspx

Wrapitup wrote:Reported by: Rudabeh Shahbazi
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PHOENIX, ARIZ.-- Police and the FBI have been searching for a 9-month old Tempe baby for more than a month with no luck, and now a world famous investigator is offering his help for free.

Jay J. Armes, otherwise known as "The Investigator," has been finding missing people for 40 years. He was made famous for finding Marlon Brando's son in the 70's.

Armes sometimes charges up to $1 million a case, but for baby Gabriel Johnson, he and his team are offering to do it for free.

"Because of the way it happened and the way the girl started lying from the beginning," Armes told ABC15 on a phone interview from Texas. "At first she had given it to a couple, and then she didn't know who the couple were. The harder the cases are, the more challenging they are to me."

Meanwhile, Gabriel's father, Logan McQueary, is getting his own team together to retrace Elizabeth Johnson's steps. They plan to make a road trip to Texas, passing out flyers along the way, and searching for any possible places Johnson may have spent the night before reaching San Antonio.

"We have not started a homicide case, we are still considering it as a missing person case," said San Antonio Police Chief William McManus.

Like San Antonio Police and McQueary, Armes still believes Gabriel is alive, though Johnson will not cooperate with authorities.

"There's got to be a reason why she's throwing everybody off," said Armes.

Armes said he thinks Gabriel was "adopted underground," and that he and his team have recovered hundreds of children who went missing in such arrangements around the world.

The investigator said he solves cases by following every lead, like the rumor that a woman on the other side of the country adopted a baby named Gabriel the same day Gabriel Johnson went missing.

Armes said another key to his success is tough interrogations and deeper probes of "persons of interest," like Jack and Tami Smith, who were friends with Elizabeth and had hoped to adopt Gabriel.

"I think there's something there," said Armes about the Smiths. "Where there's smoke, there's fire, and I think they should be doing a background on them since the day they were born."

McQueary said he has not agreed to work with Armes yet, but does plan to meet with him in the near future.

http://www.abc15.com/content/news/southeastvalley/tempe/story/World-renowned-investigator-offers-to-help-find/s_YjDv3DlkWy4sO_Gbc9xw.cspx

This is great news----this is what they need, an investigator who can dig out the facts and help to find the baby. McQueary should take him up on his offer.

This gives me a renewed since of hope.

What in the heck is McQuery waiting for? I am just getting back to this. Are they checking those landfills for that blue bag and little Gabriel.

I can't imagine if this JJ Armes is on the up and up he would hesitate one more day??? Doesn't make sense to me.

jeanne1807 wrote:What in the heck is McQuery waiting for? I am just getting back to this. Are they checking those landfills for that blue bag and little Gabriel.

I can't imagine if this JJ Armes is on the up and up he would hesitate one more day??? Doesn't make sense to me.

Yes, Jeanne, doesn't make sense if this is an investigator of good credentials-----unless of course, McQuery has something to hide that might be found out about himself, then one would hesitate. It just strikes me that all we have heard on this case is McQuery's side (except of course for the Smiths telling theirs), we have not heard anything of EJ's side of things at all, except for whatever the Smiths happen to have said when they quoted her. If EJ had good reason to flee away from him, he probably wouldn't want that dug up by any investigator.

I do not get the impression that Logan has done anything to warrant what he and the world, it seems, is going through wondering where little Gabriel is. If he was abusive, she could have easily gone to any DV shelter in any city or state. But, she didn't. She did everything on the sly. Nothing makes sense in this case!

Yes, Wrap, nothing makes sense, wish we knew more than we are being told about it.