Cindy Anthony 911 Calls/ All 3 calls Cindy made WILL be played at trial./State Gives Defense Recorded Phone Conversation Between Baez, Inmate

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YES!!!!! :cheering: :cheers:

Wrap, I am so confused?? Is he saying yes to call 3, but no to 1 & 2??

What happened?

Yes to 3. I think also yes to 1 and 2. Not sure. Limited instruction? IDK. Anyone?????

So at least #3 can be used in court?

WTF?? 3 is Yes? 1 and 2 denied?

I am so damn confused.. so are all denied?

I couldn't watch the entire end. IDK.

3 shockers to me:
1. LA mouthing "I love you" to the muderess after her accusations against him
2. Her reaction to LA...seemed genuine- the crying. We have barely seen her cry about Cayllee..oh yea she would occ. dab her dry eyes for her own daughter.
3. CA still thinks Caylee is alive?

Posted: 7:52 am EDT July 15, 2010
Updated: 5:22 pm EDT July 15, 2010

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- The case against Casey Anthony was back in court Thursday afternoon on the two-year anniversary of when Caylee Anthony was first reported missing. Casey is facing a first-degree murder charge in her daughter's death and a trial is set for next year.

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911 CALLS: Dead Body | Turn In Casey | Caylee Gone
VIDEO REPORT: Casey To Attend Hearing

The main issue at hand Thursday afternoon was whether three 911 calls made by Casey's mother would be permissible as evidence in the murder case. The defense was fighting to have the calls disallowed as hearsay, and the prosecution called both Casey's mother and brother to testify. The defense lost that fight as Judge Belvin Perry ruled that all three calls are considered excited utterances, creating an exception to the hearsay rule, and will be allowed as evidence, therefore denying the defense motion.

Casey walked into the court around 1:55pm wearing a pink, long-sleeve, button-down blouse and grey slacks; her hair was noticeably longer (images | raw video). She sat at the defense table next to lawyers Jose Baez and Cheney Mason.

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Judge Belvin Perry advised the court that the first issue to be heard is one involving Texas EquuSearch. Judge Stan Strickland had previously ruled on a defense motion seeking the names of all persons involved in the EquuSearch efforts in the search for Caylee (read previous order).

Baez then asked Judge Perry if he could speak with him before they started. After about 15 minutes of speaking with their microphones off, Judge Perry announced that Baez would be dropping his motion, but said that Baez and EquuSearch attorney Mark NeJame need to work together so the defense can see the EquuSearch records again.

“They can inspect those documents again, they can take notes. I will appoint a special magistrate ... to supervise,” Judge Perry said.

Next on the table, Judge Perry said, was the motion regarding the 911 calls (read motion). Jose Baez then called Cindy Anthony to the stand, where she was put under oath. Lee Anthony was then ordered to leave the courtroom during Cindy's testimony.

Baez began by questioning Cindy about the events of July 15, 2008, the day she went to pick up Casey's car from the tow yard, establishing details about what took place that day.

“He told me the car smelled and wanted me to follow him home,” Cindy testified Thursday afternoon, referring to her husband. "I followed George back to our house."

Cindy said they then took the car back to their home on Hopespring Drive.

“He told me it smelled like something had died,” Cindy told Baez, again referring to her husband.

Baez continued to question Cindy on the specifics of that day, establishing a time frame for both picking up the car and for locating Casey later that day at Tony Lazzaro's home. Cindy said Amy Huizenga was the one who told her where Casey was.

“I probably told Amy that we found Casey’s car at the impound,” Cindy said. "I asked her if she had seen Caylee."

Cindy said she and Amy then went to Lazzaro's apartment to get Casey.

"I wouldn't let her get anything except her shoes," Cindy said. "I don't think I ever spoke to Casey about the car [at that time]."

Cindy told Baez that they then drove around with Casey with the hopes of getting Caylee.

"It seemed like forever [that we drove around]. It seemed like all evening," Cindy said.

Cindy said they then drove into the parking lot of a police annex, but there was no one there. It was at that time, Cindy said, she called 911 from her phone. It was during that 911 call that Cindy told police Casey had stolen the car, even though that wasn't entirely the case.

"Because I wanted to speak to a police officer," Cindy said, explaining why she said Casey had stolen the vehicle.

Cindy said they then went home and called 911 for a second time, but she wasn't sure of an exact time frame for making that second call. Cindy said Casey, Lee and her discussed the situation before calling 911.

"I never talked to Casey about the car," Cindy said.

Cindy said she made the second 911 call and told police she needed someone arrested and that she needed help with a missing child.

"She made it sound like they would be there whenever they could instead of they would send someone right out," Cindy told Baez regarding her frustration over their seeming lack of concern from dispatchers on the second 911 call.

Cindy told Baez she then began pacing, frustrated and concerned by the situation.

"I overheard her say she hadn’t seen Caylee for 31 days," Cindy said. "I was hysterical at that point ... I think once I asked her if it was true I ran out and made the [third] 911 call."

Baez then approached the bench and gave Cindy a transcript of the third 911 call to help her remember the exact wording of the call she made. Baez then questioned Cindy on the specific date on which she last saw Caylee. Cindy had, at various times, said the last time she saw Caylee was June 7 or June 8, but video of Caylee with Cindy's father recorded on June 15 later surfaced.

Baez asked Cindy if the reason for stating an earlier date was to get quicker police attention, as she has told media. Cindy said she wasn't premeditated in that choice of dates, but was just saying whatever she could to get them to assist her.

Cindy was then handed over to prosecutors for cross-examination.

"You fully believed that your daughter had had contact with [Caylee] after June 15?" attorney Linda Drane-Burdick asked.

"Yes," Cindy replied.

"The words that you used to describe the smell in the car was 'dead body,'" Drane-Burdick said. "You've told law enforcement that on several occasions you have had contact with dead bodies."

"Only in the morgue," Cindy said.

"... that you've smelled dead tissue and it smelled bad?" Drane-Burdick asked.

"Yes," she said.

Kenney-Baden then continued that line of questioning, pointing out the numerous times Cindy has commented on her knowledge of and experience with dead bodies and flesh.

"After you had located your daughter Casey, you had no telephone contact with George," Drane-Burdick said, establishing that Cindy didn't talk to George at any point before or during the period of time during which she made the three 911 calls.

"Correct," Cindy said.

"When you found Casey, Caylee was not with her?" Drane-Burdick asked.

"Yea, she was with Zanny," Cindy said.

"And you certainly had no idea or thought that Caylee could be deceased and that there could be a connection between that and the smell in the car?" Drane-Burdick asked.

"Correct," Cindy said.

Drane-Burdick then began asking specific questions regarding the 911 calls, confirming Cindy's reasons for saying there was grand theft committed and that Casey had stolen from her. Cindy said that when they got home after making the first call from the police annex, Lee spoke with Casey and Cindy hoped that he would be able to get through to her, but he couldn't.

"I don't think Lee wanted me to call the police," Cindy said. "I'm not sure if I made it on the house phone or the cell phone. I'm not sure if I made [the second] call from the living room or the bedroom or where."

"The only thing wrong at that point was that Casey wouldn't take you to Caylee?" Drane-Burdick asked.

"Correct," Cindy said.

"At that point, in your mind, it was only a possibility [that there was a missing child]?" Drane-Burdick asked.

"Correct," Cindy said.

"After you make the [second] call, you overhear your daughter saying she hadn't see her daughter for 31 days?" Drane-Burdick asked.

"Yeah, she was crying," Cindy said.

"You're first reaction to that is panic, can't think, don't know what to do. Is that right?" Drane-Burdick asked.

"Correct," Cindy said.

"Prior to actually making that [third] call, you were yelling at Casey, trying to get information from her. Correct?" Drane-Burdick asked.

"Correct," Cindy said.

"You now wanted [police] there because you wanted Caylee found?" Drane-Burdick asked.

"Yes and it had seemed like an hour since the last call," Cindy said.

"Very early on into the call, you turn the call over to your daughter," Drane-Burdick said, suggesting that it was at that time in the call that Cindy connected the smell in the car to Caylee gone.

"If that's where my mind went to, yes," Cindy said. "I don't know how the mind works when you're under stress."

Around 3:35pm, Drane-Burdick wrapped up her questioning and Judge Perry called for a 15-minute recess. Upon returning, Baez will be able to again question Cindy.

After the recess, Baez began follow-up questions.

"When you made these statements to law enforcement that you have smelled dead bodies, this was later on, past July 13th, Correct?" Baez asked.

"Correct," Cindy replied.

"After smelling this smell, you still believed Caylee was alive?" Baez asked.

"Correct," Cindy said.

"When you made these statements to law enforcement that you had smelled a dead body ... that was because you wanted them to know the smell that you smelled was difference than that of a dead body," Baez said.

"Yeah, I guess," Cindy said.

"And why did you tell them this? It's because you wanted them to be searching for a live kid," Baez said.

"Correct," Cindy replied.

Just before 4:00pm, Cindy was relieved from testimony and Lee was called to the stand. At the same time, Casey could be seen breaking into tears (see images).

Prosecutors then began their questioning of Lee.

"I just tried to reason with her, reason with Casey," Lee said of the situation when Casey was brought home by Cindy.

Lee told the court he didn't hear the second 911 call Cindy was making and he went to talk to Casey about the situation.

"I went in there to say this didn't make any sense," Lee said. "Just kind of trying, you know, another last ditch effort."

"Did you then engage in a role playing situation where you acted as a police officer?" Drane-Burdick asked.

"Yes," Lee said. "I was just trying to say, 'This is what's going to happen.' What's going to fly with my mom isn't going to fly with a police officer."

Lee said that his questioning of Casey, though it seemed to be getting somewhere, was cut off when Cindy returned.

"She came through me to come into the room and just simply said, 'What's going on?'" Lee said. "Casey reiterated that she hadn't seen Caylee in 31 days ... [Cindy] was very angry."

Lee said Cindy was yelling at Casey and punched the bed.

"Frantic, angry, at times at a loss for words, because she kept repeating herself," Lee said.

Lee said it was soon thereafter that Cindy made the third 911 call. He said he wasn't present for that call and didn't hear it at the time and was instead with Casey asking her questions.

However, Drane-Burdick then pointed out that Lee previously testified that he could hear the 911 call Cindy was making. With that, the prosecution ended their questioning and defense attorney Cheney Mason began questioning Lee.

"There was nothing going on to interfere with you having this private conversation with your sister?" Mason asked.

"My sister's information is more important than the call my mom was making," Lee said.

The questioning of Lee ended around 4:20pm, having lasted much less time than the questioning of Cindy. As Lee stepped down, Cindy's work supervisor, Debbie Polisano, was brought forward to testify with Mason doing the first questioning.

"That they found the car in the impound lot," Polisano said. "She told me there was a terrible, terrible odor in the car."

Mason then asked Polisano if it was George who told her how the car smelled.

"She didn't say George told her that, she just said they both knew that," Polisano said. "I told her to go home."

Polisano said she told Cindy to call the police, but that she didn't while in her presence. She said that she sent Cindy home, but she later returned to work.

"Did you have to exercise some persuasion to convince her to leave work to go home?" Mason asked.

"I went and got my boss and had her tell her to go home," Polisano said.

The prosecution declined to question Polisano and at 4:25pm she was allowed to step down. Mason then began the defense's arguments to disallow the 911 calls as hearsay.

"She goes to get the car, has some discussion about odor in the car, goes back to work, now that's not an excited utterance situation," Mason said.

Mason argued that Cindy's statements about the dead body were uninformed and that the length of time between her 911 call statement and the first time she smelled the car shows it's not an excited utterance, which would provide an exception to being considered hearsay; the basis for the hearsay exception of something considered an excited utterance is the belief that a statement made under stress is likely to be trustworthy and unlikely to be premeditated falsehoods.

The prosecution then argued that the third 911 call, where Cindy refers to the smell of a dead body in the car was an excited utterance urged forward by the realization that Casey hadn't seen Caylee for over 30 days. Drane-Burdick went on to argue that Cindy Anthony had the background and experience, which she restated Thursday, to recognize such smells.

Just before 5:00pm, Judge Perry announced a 10-minute recess. He said he'd then return with a ruling.

At 5:05pm, Judge Perry returned to the courtroom.

"The court has before it a question of whether three 911 calls ... the defense raises several theories. The first theory is these calls are hearsay," Perry said, citing cases related to such a theory. "In this particular case, we have three calls. The state has indicated that calls one and calls two are not being offered for the truth of the matter as asserted within ... testimony presented at this particular hearing indicates ... it is quite evident ... that that statement was made before there was time ... the statement was also made at the time she was under the stress of learning that her granddaughter was missing and no one knew where she was ... it's quite clear that the third call fits the description of an excited utterance,"

Perry went on to state that the other two calls, as well, also were made under a stressful situation and ruled that all three 911 calls are permissible as evidence in the case against Casey Anthony and the motion was denied.

The defense wanted Cindy's frantic 911 calls kept out of the trial.

“There's something wrong," Cindy Anthony exclaimed in the 911 call two years ago (hear it). "I found my daughter's car today and it smells like there's been a dead body in the damn car."

Cindy Anthony has changed the story around her frantic 911 call three times. Exactly two years ago, she frantically called 911 to report her granddaughter, Caylee Anthony, missing.

“Um, I have someone here that I need to, um, be arrested in my home and there's a possible missing child. I have a 3-year-old that's been missing for a month,” Cindy told the 911 dispatcher.

“A 3-year-old?” the dispatcher asked.

“Yes,” Cindy answered.

“Have you reported that?” the dispatcher asked.

“I'm trying to do that now, ma'am,” Cindy replied.

Prosecutors argue the series of calls is the beginning of a string of lies Casey told as investigators tried to figure of what happened to Caylee. An even more distraught Cindy called dispatchers again.

“We're talking about a 3-year-old little girl. My daughter finally admitted that the babysitter stole her. I need to find her,” Cindy told the 911 dispatcher.

Once Cindy realized that Casey made up a story about Caylee being with a nanny, and that Casey was under suspicion, she changed her story twice. Cindy later said the smell she was so worried about was just rotting pizza, even though there was no pizza in Casey’s car.

The defense also wants the judge to keep secret the specific evidence defense experts examined this week. The defense is also fighting for more Texas EquuSearch records than the previous judge, Stan Strickland, allowed them to get.

Meanwhile, Casey's attorneys were at the sheriff's office maintenance facility the last two days, reviewing the evidence collected at three different crime scenes. At Thursday’s hearing, they are expected to ask Judge Belvin Perry Jr. if that evidence can be tested further.

mommyof3kids wrote:I am so damn confused.. so are all denied?

Denied to the DEFENSE!!!!! They are allowed in by the State! All 3!!!

me too we lost our live feed too

Why does this station report they were denied in court??

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Judge Belvin Perry ruled that 911 calls made in the Casey Anthony case will not be admissible as evidence during the accused mother's murder trial.
Cindy Anthony, grandmother of slain toddler Caylee Anthony, was called to speak in court about the 911 calls she made regarding the whereabouts of her then-missing granddaughter.

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ORLANDO, Fla. -- The judge ruled that 911 calls made by Cindy Anthony to report Caylee Anthony missing can be used in court in the murder case against Casey Anthony.

Gotta run. At least all 3 calls are allowed. I have no clue what the heck they are discussing now. Trying to wrap gifts and get the heck outta here!!! LOL!!! :riding:

I am ready for a smoke, a cocktail, something!

the motion was denied meaning that the 911 call will be admitted.

waa haaa haaa.. the sackles are uncomfortable on her feet... oh shut it!! love how the judge said "sometimes they are sometimes they are not" and i could swear that he smerked a little ..

mommyof3kids wrote:I sense that KC seems "let down" by her brother.. she is almost pouting at times!!

I got in right at the end of Lee's testimony where Casey broke down in tears. We all know she only cries for her self if something might make her look bad. I missed Lee's testimony. What was said before the Narcissist (Casey) started crying?

I will have to listen to the whole tape tomorrow. I'm sure it will be up by then

Oh gag me. I missed the post that said he mouthed he loved Casey. Puke!

me too!

if someone can post where the replays of this hearing will be Id appreciate it.
thanks!

I can't find the hearing posted anywhere!! My brother-in-law and his wife just left, and I want to watch it!! Surely it will be somewhere soon!!

Strange.. I can't find it either and WFTV usually ALWAYS has it in segments I'm sorry ladies.. I hope some one posts it for you SOON!!

I was soooooooooooo mad today. Grandpa and daughter took all the kids blueberry picking and out to lunch. I poured an iced tea and was front row center. In the middle of Cindy testifying...In Session ended and some lame show came on. I just about fainted.

Why did they do that? I looked everywhere for any place else it would be shown but no luck. Nada.

Jeanne, could you not go online and watch it? I also couldn't believe TrueTV didn't show the entire thing. How long was it? I left after I finally figured out that all 3 calls will be admitted.

I also missed Lee mouthing "I love you" to Casey. Maybe he DID feel her up. Who knows in this family?

Casey Anthony: Cindy subdued; Lee succinct; Casey in tears
Caylee and Casey Anthony, George and Cindy Anthony, WESH, WFTV, WKMG, WOFL — posted by halboedeker on July, 15 2010 6:26 PM

Cindy Anthony was subdued, and Lee Anthony was giggly but succinct at a hearing today in Casey Anthony’s case.

Some observers expected fireworks, but that drama never materialized, although there were some strange moments. Judge Belvin Perry ruled that Cindy’s 911 calls will be heard at the murder trial next year, giving the prosecution a victory.

Casey Anthony is charged with first-degree murder in the death of her daughter, Caylee. Her defense team had sought to have mother Cindy’s 911 calls thrown out as hearsay.

In an analysis for WOFL-Ch. 35, Orlando attorney Diana Tennis theorized that Perry saw Cindy Anthony’s comments as “in-the-heat-of-the-moment statements” and took into account Cindy’s repeated statements that she had been hysterical. “That’s why he decided it wasn’t hearsay,” Tennis said.

WKMG-Ch. 6’s Tony Pipitone said Perry’s ruling “gives the state some wide latitude in how to tell a narrative, a story” about why Casey should be convicted. Pipitone cited Cindy’s testimony about how frantic she had been as key to Perry’s decision.

WESH-Ch. 2’s Amanda Ober said, “The prosecution is hoping that these calls will show Casey Anthony’s increased propensity to tell lies as she feared that law enforcement was getting involved.”

WFTV-Ch. 9’s Kathi Belich zeroed in on Cindy Anthony’s testimony. “Cindy said she couldn’t remember about 14 times and tried to back off of what she had said early on in the case, but really didn’t convince the judge,” Belich said. “She also shocked the courtroom today — actually, a hush fell over the courtroom — when she said still believes Caylee is alive, a year and a half after she held Caylee’s funeral.”

WKMG’s Mike DeForest called Cindy’s Caylee-still-is-alive statement “eye-opening.”

Ober highlighted that Lee Anthony mouthed “I love you” at his sister, Casey, as he took the stand. “She burst into tears,” Ober added.

WOFL-Ch. 35 also highlighted Lee’s ”I love you” to his sister as he took the stand.

“Casey did cry in the courtroom today, she then gained her composure and was looking pretty stoic throughout the rest of it, WOFL’s Holly Bristow reported. Lee repeated “I love you” when he left the stand, Bristow said.

Bristow said Lee Anthony “was pretty good on the stand today,” he was “pointed in answering in the questions” and he “kept his composure.”

WOFL analyst Tennis said that prosecutor Linda Drane Burdick repeatedly had Cindy Anthony acknowledge that she recognizes the smell of dead bodies — undercutting the defense argument to keep her calls out.

That made Cindy “look not as honest as she would like to have liked to look today,” Tennis said. “I’m hoping that the defense takes this as a little bit of practice for Cindy for when they get to trial and perhaps she’s not going to be so easily impeached at that point.”

Judge Perry also today granted the defense’s request to seal the list of evidence its experts examined this week, WFTV reported.

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I have looked and cannot find today's testimony. I am pretty sure it will be out by the time we wake up (or go to sleep for some of us).

Seems like I'm always last to join in, but thanks for all the great comments on today's hearing. My cable tv and RoadRunner went out on me. I only saw about the first hour of the hearing and it was frequently interrupted by pixelation and loss of audio. Then it went out entirely.

I have also been looking for the video to be rebroadcast so I can watch it. I did hear that TruTv is going to go over the entire hearing tomorrow and that Vinnie Politan will be hosting the commentary. I still want to see it uninterrupted. I hope the babies sleep a lot tomorrow!!

I wonder why none of the tv stations have it posted...They usually do. Maybe because it was longer than usual? Also, I read that there was some trouble with the live feed, so maybe they weren't able to record all of it? Wouldn't you know that the day I couldn't watch would be the day that they don't have it anywhere! Oh well, I've set my DVR to record TruTV, so maybe I'll get to see it that way...They will probably edit it, though, and I just like to watch it straight through...

I think it should be up tomorrow

Wrap I have never watched anything on internet. Actually didn't know you could do that. I saw where you posted some different "stations" but I thought them tv stations down in Florida. I was sooooooo disappointed when right in mid sentence..it all disappeared. IN a flash it was gone.

Wrapitup wrote:Jeanne, could you not go online and watch it? I also couldn't believe TrueTV didn't show the entire thing. How long was it? I left after I finally figured out that all 3 calls will be admitted.

I also missed Lee mouthing "I love you" to Casey. Maybe he DID feel her up. Who knows in this family?

They are in Florida but they livestream and you can watch it right on your puter. You could be in Timbucktu (sp) and still be able to see it on the puter.

POSTED: 6:19 pm EDT July 15, 2010
UPDATED: 6:28 pm EDT July 15, 2010

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. --

Thursday’s hearing in the Casey Anthony case marked the first time in over a year George, Cindy and Lee Anthony have all appeared in court together.

When Lee walked up to the witness stand and saw Casey for the first time in a long time, the two had an emotional exchange.

Lee could be seen mouthing “I love you” to his sister, Casey.

“I’m assuming you weren’t speaking to me just now,” prosecutor Linda Drane Burdick responded.

“Absolutely not,” Lee said.

After the remark Casey burst into tears.

Just a few months ago, letters written by Casey in jail were made public where she said her brother had sexually molested her when the two were younger.

Cindy and George arrived at court separately from Lee and his girlfriend on Thursday.

Lee did hug his parents in an apparent show of family unity.

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click above and see Lee mouth the infamous "ILY". I loved LDB's response..which I didn't catch the first time. Too funny!!!

Lilone wrote:Seems like I'm always last to join in, but thanks for all the great comments on today's hearing. My cable tv and RoadRunner went out on me. I only saw about the first hour of the hearing and it was frequently interrupted by pixelation and loss of audio. Then it went out entirely.

I have also been looking for the video to be rebroadcast so I can watch it. I did hear that TruTv is going to go over the entire hearing tomorrow and that Vinnie Politan will be hosting the commentary. I still want to see it uninterrupted. I hope the babies sleep a lot tomorrow!!

Wow, it seems like a lot of member's cable and/or internet went out today. Was it due to storms? Lilone, I hope you're right and they re-play it for all who missed it. Good luck with the babies!!!!! :cheering:

Oh well, I've set my DVR to record TruTV, so maybe I'll get to see it that way...They will probably edit it, though, and I just like to watch it straight through...

Although I am electronically challenged, I got my son-in-law to set my dvr for me!! I agree with your opinion that I'd rather just view it raw...

Yesterday's hearing is now on TruTV for those of you who did not get to watch it yesterday. I don't know how long it will be on, but In Session is on until 3pm every day, so they should be able to show it all. CA is on the stand right now.

Posted: 7:52 am EDT July 15, 2010
Updated: 11:37 am EDT July 16, 2010

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- Chief Judge Belvin Perry ruled late Thursday afternoon that Cindy Anthony's frantic 911 call about the smell of a dead body in Casey's car can be used in her trial. The case against Casey was back in court Thursday afternoon on the two-year anniversary of when Caylee Anthony was first reported missing. Casey is facing a first-degree murder charge in her daughter's death and a trial is set for next year.

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VIDEO REPORT: Judge Denies Defense Request
911 CALLS: Dead Body | Turn In Casey | Caylee Gone
VIDEO REPORT: Casey To Attend Hearing

The main issue at hand Thursday afternoon was whether three 911 calls made by Casey's mother would be permissible as evidence in the murder case. The defense was fighting to have the calls disallowed as hearsay, and the prosecution called both Casey's mother and brother to testify. The defense lost that fight as Judge Perry ruled that all three calls are considered excited utterances, creating an exception to the hearsay rule, and will be allowed as evidence, therefore denying the defense motion.
Judge Perry, though, did give the defense one victory, granting their request to keep the list of evidence, which they reviewed over two days this week, sealed.

Baez also asked Judge Perry to seal an interview they did with a mystery state inmate and wants Casey to be able to come to court without handcuffs on. Judge Perry said he would consider it and told the prosecution to hold off on releasing the inmate interview once they get it.

CASEY WALKS IN: Images | Video (above)
Casey walked into the court around 1:55pm wearing a pink, long-sleeve, button-down blouse and grey slacks; her hair was noticeably longer (images | raw video). She sat next to lawyers Jose Baez and Cheney Mason.

Judge Belvin Perry advised the court that the first issue to be heard is one involving Texas EquuSearch. Judge Stan Strickland had previously ruled on a defense motion seeking the names of all persons involved in the EquuSearch efforts in the search for Caylee (read previous order).

Baez then asked Judge Perry if he could speak with him before they started. After about 15 minutes of speaking with their microphones off, Judge Perry announced that Baez would be dropping his motion, but said that Baez and EquuSearch attorney Mark NeJame need to work together so the defense can see the EquuSearch records again.

“They can inspect those documents again, they can take notes. I will appoint a special magistrate ... to supervise,” Judge Perry said.

Next on the table, Judge Perry said, was the motion regarding the 911 calls (read motion). Jose Baez then called Cindy Anthony to the stand, where she was put under oath. Lee Anthony was then ordered to leave the courtroom during Cindy's testimony.

IMAGES: Casey Cries In Court (above)

Baez began by questioning Cindy about the events of July 15, 2008, the day she went to pick up Casey's car from the tow yard, establishing details about what took place that day.
“He told me the car smelled and wanted me to follow him home,” Cindy testified Thursday afternoon, referring to her husband. "I followed George back to our house."
Cindy said they then took the car back to their home on Hopespring Drive.
“He told me it smelled like something had died,” Cindy told Baez, again referring to her husband.
Baez continued to question Cindy on the specifics of that day, establishing a time frame for both picking up the car and for locating Casey later that day at Tony Lazzaro's home. Cindy said Amy Huizenga was the one who told her where Casey was.

“I probably told Amy that we found Casey’s car at the impound,” Cindy said. "I asked her if she had seen Caylee."
Cindy said she and Amy then went to Lazzaro's apartment to get Casey.
"I wouldn't let her get anything except her shoes," Cindy said. "I don't think I ever spoke to Casey about the car [at that time]."
Cindy told Baez that they then drove around with Casey with the hopes of getting Caylee.
"It seemed like forever [that we drove around]. It seemed like all evening," Cindy said.
Cindy said they then drove into the parking lot of a police annex, but there was no one there. It was at that time, Cindy said, she called 911 from her phone. It was during that 911 call that Cindy told police Casey had stolen the car, even though that wasn't entirely the case.
"Because I wanted to speak to a police officer," Cindy said, explaining why she said Casey had stolen the vehicle.
Cindy said they then went home and called 911 for a second time, but she wasn't sure of an exact time frame for making that second call. Cindy said Casey, Lee and her discussed the situation before calling 911.
"I never talked to Casey about the car," Cindy said.
Cindy said she made the second 911 call and told police she needed someone arrested and that she needed help with a missing child.
"She made it sound like they would be there whenever they could instead of they would send someone right out," Cindy told Baez regarding her frustration over their seeming lack of concern from dispatchers on the second 911 call.
Cindy told Baez she then began pacing, frustrated and concerned by the situation.
"I overheard her say she hadn’t seen Caylee for 31 days," Cindy said. "I was hysterical at that point ... I think once I asked her if it was true I ran out and made the [third] 911 call."
Baez then approached the bench and gave Cindy a transcript of the third 911 call to help her remember the exact wording of the call she made. Baez then questioned Cindy on the specific date on which she last saw Caylee. Cindy had, at various times, said the last time she saw Caylee was June 7 or June 8, but video of Caylee with Cindy's father recorded on June 15 later surfaced.
Baez asked Cindy if the reason for stating an earlier date was to get quicker police attention, as she has told media. Cindy said she wasn't premeditated in that choice of dates, but was just saying whatever she could to get them to assist her.
Cindy was then handed over to prosecutors for cross-examination.
"You fully believed that your daughter had had contact with [Caylee] after June 15?" attorney Linda Drane-Burdick asked.
"Yes," Cindy replied.
"The words that you used to describe the smell in the car was 'dead body,'" Drane-Burdick said. "You've told law enforcement that on several occasions you have had contact with dead bodies."
"Only in the morgue," Cindy said.
"... that you've smelled dead tissue and it smelled bad?" Drane-Burdick asked.
"Yes," she said.
Drane-Burdick then continued that line of questioning, pointing out the numerous times Cindy has commented on her knowledge of and experience with dead bodies and flesh.
"After you had located your daughter Casey, you had no telephone contact with George," Drane-Burdick said, establishing that Cindy didn't talk to George at any point before or during the period of time during which she made the three 911 calls.
"Correct," Cindy said.
"When you found Casey, Caylee was not with her?" Drane-Burdick asked.
"Yea, she was with Zanny," Cindy said.
"And you certainly had no idea or thought that Caylee could be deceased and that there could be a connection between that and the smell in the car?" Drane-Burdick asked.
"Correct," Cindy said.

Drane-Burdick then began asking specific questions regarding the 911 calls, confirming Cindy's reasons for saying there was grand theft committed and that Casey had stolen from her. Cindy said that when they got home after making the first call from the police annex, Lee spoke with Casey and Cindy hoped that he would be able to get through to her, but he couldn't.
"I don't think Lee wanted me to call the police," Cindy said. "I'm not sure if I made it on the house phone or the cell phone. I'm not sure if I made [the second] call from the living room or the bedroom or where."
"The only thing wrong at that point was that Casey wouldn't take you to Caylee?" Drane-Burdick asked.
"Correct," Cindy said.
"At that point, in your mind, it was only a possibility [that there was a missing child]?" Drane-Burdick asked.
"Correct," Cindy said.
"After you make the [second] call, you overhear your daughter saying she hadn't see her daughter for 31 days?" Drane-Burdick asked.
"Yeah, she was crying," Cindy said.
"You're first reaction to that is panic, can't think, don't know what to do. Is that right?" Drane-Burdick asked.
"Correct," Cindy said.
"Prior to actually making that [third] call, you were yelling at Casey, trying to get information from her. Correct?" Drane-Burdick asked.
"Correct," Cindy said.
"You now wanted [police] there because you wanted Caylee found?" Drane-Burdick asked.
"Yes and it had seemed like an hour since the last call," Cindy said.
"Very early on into the call, you turn the call over to your daughter," Drane-Burdick said, suggesting that it was at that time in the call that Cindy connected the smell in the car to Caylee gone.
"If that's where my mind went to, yes," Cindy said. "I don't know how the mind works when you're under stress."

Cindy, during the cross-examination, shocked the courtroom and a hush fell over the crowd when she said she still believes Caylee is alive, a year and a half after she held Caylee's funeral service.

Around 3:35pm, Drane-Burdick wrapped up her questioning and Judge Perry called for a 15-minute recess. Upon returning, Baez will be able to again question Cindy.
After the recess, Baez began follow-up questions.
"When you made these statements to law enforcement that you have smelled dead bodies, this was later on, past July 13th, Correct?" Baez asked.
"Correct," Cindy replied.
"After smelling this smell, you still believed Caylee was alive?" Baez asked.
"Correct," Cindy said.
"When you made these statements to law enforcement that you had smelled a dead body ... that was because you wanted them to know the smell that you smelled was difference than that of a dead body," Baez said.
"Yeah, I guess," Cindy said.
"And why did you tell them this? It's because you wanted them to be searching for a live kid," Baez said.
"Correct," Cindy replied.
Just before 4:00pm, Cindy was relieved from testimony and Lee was called to the stand. At the same time, Casey could be seen breaking into tears (see images).

Prosecutors then began their questioning of Lee.
"I just tried to reason with her, reason with Casey," Lee said of the situation when Casey was brought home by Cindy.
Lee told the court he didn't hear the second 911 call Cindy was making and he went to talk to Casey about the situation.
"I went in there to say this didn't make any sense," Lee said. "Just kind of trying, you know, another last ditch effort."
"Did you then engage in a role playing situation where you acted as a police officer?" Drane-Burdick asked.
"Yes," Lee said. "I was just trying to say, 'This is what's going to happen.' What's going to fly with my mom isn't going to fly with a police officer."
Lee said that his questioning of Casey, though it seemed to be getting somewhere, was cut off when Cindy returned.
"She came through me to come into the room and just simply said, 'What's going on?'" Lee said. "Casey reiterated that she hadn't seen Caylee in 31 days ... [Cindy] was very angry."
Lee said Cindy was yelling at Casey and punched the bed.
"Frantic, angry, at times at a loss for words, because she kept repeating herself," Lee said.
Lee said it was soon thereafter that Cindy made the third 911 call. He said he wasn't present for that call and didn't hear it at the time and was instead with Casey asking her questions.
However, Drane-Burdick then pointed out that Lee previously testified that he could hear the 911 call Cindy was making. With that, the prosecution ended their questioning and defense attorney Cheney Mason began questioning Lee.
"There was nothing going on to interfere with you having this private conversation with your sister?" Mason asked.
"My sister's information is more important than the call my mom was making," Lee said.
The questioning of Lee ended around 4:20pm, having lasted much less time than the questioning of Cindy.
As Lee stepped down, Cindy's work supervisor, Debbie Polisano, was brought forward to testify with Mason doing the first questioning.
"That they found the car in the impound lot," Polisano said. "She told me there was a terrible, terrible odor in the car."
Mason then asked Polisano if it was George who told her how the car smelled.
"She didn't say George told her that, she just said they both knew that," Polisano said. "I told her to go home."
Polisano said she told Cindy to call the police, but that she didn't while in her presence. She said that she sent Cindy home, but she later returned to work.
"Did you have to exercise some persuasion to convince her to leave work to go home?" Mason asked.
"I went and got my boss and had her tell her to go home," Polisano said.
The prosecution declined to question Polisano and at 4:25pm she was allowed to step down. Mason then began the defense's arguments to disallow the 911 calls as hearsay.
"She goes to get the car, has some discussion about odor in the car, goes back to work, now that's not an excited utterance situation," Mason said.
Mason argued that Cindy's statements about the dead body were uninformed and that the length of time between her 911 call statement and the first time she smelled the car shows it's not an excited utterance, which would provide an exception to being considered hearsay; the basis for the hearsay exception of something considered an excited utterance is the belief that a statement made under stress is likely to be trustworthy and unlikely to be premeditated falsehoods.
The prosecution then argued that the third 911 call, where Cindy refers to the smell of a dead body in the car was an excited utterance urged forward by the realization that Casey hadn't seen Caylee for over 30 days. Drane-Burdick went on to argue that Cindy Anthony had the background and experience, which she restated Thursday, to recognize such smells.
Just before 5:00pm, Judge Perry announced a 10-minute recess. He said he'd then return with a ruling.
At 5:05pm, Judge Perry returned to the courtroom.
"The court has before it a question of whether three 911 calls ... the defense raises several theories. The first theory is these calls are hearsay," Perry said, citing cases related to such a theory. "In this particular case, we have three calls. The state has indicated that calls one and calls two are not being offered for the truth of the matter as asserted within ... testimony presented at this particular hearing indicates ... it is quite evident ... that that statement was made before there was time ... the statement was also made at the time she was under the stress of learning that her granddaughter was missing and no one knew where she was ... it's quite clear that the third call fits the description of an excited utterance,"
Perry went on to state that the other two calls, as well, also were made under a stressful situation and ruled that all three 911 calls are permissible as evidence in the case against Casey Anthony and the motion was denied.
The defense wanted Cindy's frantic 911 calls kept out of the trial.
“There's something wrong," Cindy Anthony exclaimed in the 911 call two years ago (hear it). "I found my daughter's car today and it smells like there's been a dead body in the damn car."
Cindy Anthony has changed the story around her frantic 911 call three times. Exactly two years ago, she frantically called 911 to report her granddaughter, Caylee Anthony, missing.
“Um, I have someone here that I need to, um, be arrested in my home and there's a possible missing child. I have a 3-year-old that's been missing for a month,” Cindy told the 911 dispatcher.
“A 3-year-old?” the dispatcher asked.
“Yes,” Cindy answered.
“Have you reported that?” the dispatcher asked.
“I'm trying to do that now, ma'am,” Cindy replied.
Prosecutors argue the series of calls is the beginning of a string of lies Casey told as investigators tried to figure of what happened to Caylee. An even more distraught Cindy called dispatchers again.
“We're talking about a 3-year-old little girl. My daughter finally admitted that the babysitter stole her. I need to find her,” Cindy told the 911 dispatcher.
Once Cindy realized that Casey made up a story about Caylee being with a nanny, and that Casey was under suspicion, she changed her story twice. Cindy later said the smell she was so worried about was just rotting pizza, even though there was no pizza in Casey’s car.

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jeanne1807 wrote:I was soooooooooooo mad today. Grandpa and daughter took all the kids blueberry picking and out to lunch. I poured an iced tea and was front row center. In the middle of Cindy testifying...In Session ended and some lame show came on. I just about fainted.

Why did they do that? I looked everywhere for any place else it would be shown but no luck. Nada.

Jeanne, the exact thing happened to me! I could not watch it online because of where I was and In Session was not live here in CA so I had to wait until 2pm CA time and they only had it on for one hour! They cut it off during the middle of Cindy testifying and I had really wanted to see Lee! I was so mad! I also was not able to find it anywhere else!

If Cheney Mason has a reputation as a good lawyer it must have been 30 years ago - because against Drane-Burdick he sounds like a bumbling old fool. Even Baez
presented better. I read on statement analysis that his opinion is this case is over and I agree. The evidence is overwhelming and they can bring in all the experts they want but the testimony of people like Ms. Polisano is going to convict Casey. And there are a lot of witnesses
like her that will have very damning testimony that the defense wont be able to rebut. If they could get a plea
they ought to try for it because the defense cannot win this case.

New in the Casey Anthony case:

Anthony attorney “Jose Baez is hanging his hopes on a state prison inmate,” WFTV-Ch. 9 anchor Bob Opsahl said in introducing a report tonight.

The inmate is Robin Lunceford, and she says that Anthony’s jail pals Robyn Adams and Maya Derkovic “made up incriminating stories” about Anthony, WFTV’s Kathi Belich reported.

Baez has asked Judge Belvin Perry to seal a phone call, recorded by the prison, between him and Lunceford.

“One of the first lessons the defense learned in this case was there’s no expectation of privacy in either a correctional facility or a jail,” WFTV legal analyst Bill Sheaffer said.

But WKMG-Ch. 6’s Mike DeForest reported that Baez is fighting the call’s release because he didn’t know he was being recorded. “He believes that it would be illegal to release that audio to the public,” DeForest said.

Then DeForest explained there’s typically an announcement that a call is being recorded when an inmate speaks to someone.

“In his motion, Jose Baez points out that the inmate actually called his assistant and the assistant transferred the call to his cell phone,” DeForest said. “It’s unclear whether the prison told the assistant, and the assistant didn’t tell Jose Baez, or the prison didn’t notify them at all.”


Anchor Lauren Rowe observed, “Just when you think there couldn’t be another twist or turn in this case.”

Anthony is charged with first-degree murder in the death of her daughter, Caylee. She is being held in the Orange County Jail.

Who is Lunceford? A career criminal, an armed robber who has used many aliases, an inmate who has been disciplined often and someone who has inserted herself in high-profile cases, Belich reported.

The stations also were studying Thursday’s hearing, where Lee Anthony and Cindy Anthony testified.

WOFL-Ch. 35’s Holly Bristow talked to Anthony family attorney Brad Conway about Cindy’s statement that she believes granddaughter Caylee is alive. Echoing comments he made this morning on “Today,” Conway said, “The grieving process is different for everybody. And acceptance, I think, is probably one of the most difficult parts of grieving. And she’s doing amazingly well for what she’s been through.”

WESH-Ch. 2’s Amanda Ober talked to a mental health counselor about Cindy’s I-believe-Caylee-is-alive statement. What’s up with that? “I really don’t know of anyone who could go through all she has gone through and not need help,” counselor Jim West said.

And what of Lee’s mouthing “I love you” at his sister, causing her to weep?

“It sounds to me that he was trying to forgive her, and when she burst into tears, that to me looked like she was feeling guilty,” West said. In letters to a jail pen pal, Casey Anthony accused her brother of sexually abusing her.

You may not be a mental health counselor, but feel free to draw your own conclusion. There’s so much speculation in this case.

WFTV also reported that the Anthony defense team canceled depostitions today with three Orange County sheriff’s investigators and hadn’t given a reason for the cancellation.
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artgal, I agree about Cheney Mason...He comes across to me as a bumbling fool...He thinks he is funny with his "folksy" comments, but he sounds riciculous to me...And I think I am more "up" on this case than he is...He doesn't act like he knows some of the basic facts about it...He fits right in with Bozo.

And what of Lee’s mouthing “I love you” at his sister, causing her to weep?

“It sounds to me that he was trying to forgive her, and when she burst into tears, that to me looked like she was feeling guilty,” West said. In letters to a jail pen pal, Casey Anthony accused her brother of sexually abusing her.

Since KC was so generous with her sexual favors, I would not be surprised if she and Lee didn't have consentual sex. I have always thought there was something strange going on between them, and I actually believed Caylee may have been Lee's daughter.

When Cindy Anthony took the stand and gave her testimony about the 911 call, she was articulate and coherent. She presented herself very well for the most part, until she lied that she still thinks Caylee is alive.

TOO MUCH INFORMATION MAY REVEAL DISCOMFORT ABOUT THE TOPIC AND GUILT

Cindy sounded very credible and had it together until she discussed finding Casey’s pants in the car and how she washed them because they smelled bad. That was too much information for the question asked.

When someone coughs up a little too much information it may very well be that they are feeling a bit guilty or uncomfortable concerning that information.

There is no doubt that Cindy, being the intelligent woman she appears to be, knows very well that she should not have washed Casey’s pants no matter how badly they smelled.

She needed to have placed them in a plastic bag and put them in a sealed container in the garage or some place where she would not smell the pants. She knows very well that it was wrong for her to have washed them, especially after knowing that it smelled like a dead body in the car.

Perhaps she instinctively knew Casey was up to no good and had something to do with that smell.

That may be why she was so intent on washing away that smell, as well as washing away her guilt. There is no doubt that deep down Cindy feels guilty for threatening to throw Casey out and keep Caylee. That precipitated this whole mess and she no doubt wished she had never said what she said to Casey or Caylee might still be alive.

You would think that Caylee's backpack and toys ,which were in the heated car also smelled like the pants. So why didn’t she wash them as well? It was only Casey’s pants that she washed in her attempt to save and protect Casey. But what about protecting Caylee and her memory?

CINDY’S REAL TEARS

Unlike what we have seen regarding Casey’s fake non tears, Cindy cried real tears as she recalled the events and her frustration concerning Caylee’s disappearance.

She broke down a bit when she told of how she overheard Casey tell her son Lee that she hadn’t seen Caylee in over 32 days and panicked how she panicked. As she relayed this story, it was as though she was re-living the experience. She lost her composure and wipes some real tears. And unlike Casey, she didn’t have to examine her Kleenex to make sure she cried tears. She also didn’t stick her finger in her eyes or wipe away a tearless cheek as Casey repeatedly does.

THE AGGRESSIVE BLAMING CINDY FINALLY SURFACES

Cindy was actually like-able and believable until the topics of what she said to the FBI and when she said that it smelled like there was a dead body in the car. It was then the old Cindy came through- the Cindy we watched for years on television during her press junkets, outside of her home, and in depositions.

Once again we saw the aggressive angry aggressive defensive belligerent Cindy who has the nerve to blame the FBI stating that the FBI got the transcript of what she said all wrong . She complains how there were lots of errors and missing pieces.

So it appeared that Cindy couldn’t keep up her calm, cool, and collected demeanor for long. In a short period of time she was back to her unlikable self.

CINDY BELIEVES CAYLEE IS STILL ALIVE?

Then Jose Baez tries to Spin it during cross examination after Cindy the unlikable emerged. He couches it by making a statement and telling her how she felt. He says “ You wanted them to know that the smell was different from a dead body.”

Cindy is surprised to hear the words Jose has put into her mouth by telling her what she meant to say. That is why she shakes her head NO as she sheepishly says ”I guess.” She knows that isn’t true. If it was she would have said “Exactly” or “That’s right” in a tone that showed conviction. Indicating she knows exactly what Jose is doing os ridiculous spin.

Then she realizes what Baez is trying to do by putting those ridiculous words into her mouth. It suddenly dawns on her that Jose is trying to spin it in an attempt to protect Casey.

So she adds additional unrequested information to Baez’ nonsensical statement. Cindy adds a lie. Trying to direct Cindy’s answers to make them more favorable for Casey he makes another statement to Cindy instead of asking her a direct question. Jose says “You told them this because you wanted them to keep searching for a live Caylee.”

Cindy clearly liked where this was going as hooked on to the words “ live Casey.” Jose senses that she is getting where he is going and now asks her a question concerning his statement. He asks “Youre clear about that?”

Now here is where we see Cindy’s signals of deception. Of course she is “not clear about that.” Of course she knew after smelling the dead body smell in the car, that the cops would not be searching for a live Caylee but rather a dead Caylee.

Cindy immediately shakes her head NO as she replies ”absolutely”. Shaking your head in the negative when you are speaking in the affirmative is a sure fire signal that you’re not telling the truth, the whole truth and nothing bur the truth. It may have been wishful thinking on Cindy’s part, But it was far from the truth. Deep down she knew what most likely happened.

Remember what I said about people that add too much information that is unsolicited, I said they might be feeling guilt so they give too much information, They also give too much information to explain a lie away.

The bones were discovered. The memorial service was held. The vigils were over. So there is no way that Cindy isn’t aware that Caylee is dead. But after she said “absolutely” in response to Jose’s comment that she wanted police to search for a live Caylee, she adds unsolicited information.

She adds “ I still think Caylee is alive.” Immediately after she uttered those ridiculous words, she shows a signal of embarrassment as well as deception by she pursing her lips. It as though she instinctively knew she should not have said what she did.

Then the rest of the signals of deception kick in. She shrugs her shoulders which is a definite signal of deception and cocks her head to the side indicting that she is not sure she should have gone that far and said what she did in adding such a ridiculous comment to help create a reasonable doubt.

Then she makes a very goofy looking facial expression which reflects how she goofed up by making that that outrageous statement . Her eyes pop open wide and she tightens her lower lip and her upper lip as if to seal her mouth shut, The pressure is so tight that it looks like she is puffing out the area above her upper lip ( moustache area ) as the color of her skin above her upper lip has blanched.

She remained in that position for 10 seconds. She didn’t want to say anymore because she knows she did this for affect and as a way to say something to try and help out Casey.

CASEY’S REACTION TO CINDY

For the most part Casey’s expression was lifeless when Cindy took the stand. There was no facial reaction to Cindy as she coldly looked through her mother. It was obvious that she wasn’t thrilled to see her mother full face looking straight in her direction after a two year absence.

LOOKING PRETTY FOR MAMMA

Cindy’s presence on the stand clearly made Casey feel uncomfortable and nervous. As soon as her mother got on the stand there were numerous hair grooming behaviors which took place in succession . Subconsciously she wanted to look nice for mamma Cindy. After all Cindy has indicated in her jailhouse letters to Casey, how beautiful she looks. So Casey’s sudden repeated grooming is her attempt to “look beautiful” for Cindy.

CASEY’S FURTHER DISCOMFORT

Casey’s discomfort with seeing and hearing her mother on the stand is reflected by Casey’s swallowing more often than usual. This means that her throat is dry because her autonomic nervous system is kicking in. She’s not manufacturing enough saliva so that is why her mouth and throat feel dry. Hence, the excessive swallowing. Her gaze was not steady when her mother spoke as she didn’t look directly at her. Instead we observed constant eye shifting .Finally we saw her take many deep breaths to oxygenate herself. This is further indication of her physical discomfort. We clearly saw it when the when the topic of Tony’s apartment came up.

THANKS MOM

For the most part there was no significant emotion reflected n Casey’s face. But right after Cindy made the Caylee is still alive” comment there was a sudden change in Casey’s facial expression. It was softer and she had a slight smile as if to say “thanks for saying that and trying to create reasonable doubt so I can walk out of here, like my attorney Cheney Mason said I would.

ADVICE FOR CINDY ON THE STAND

I think that no matter how much coaching or witness preparation Cindy gets the real Cindy will eventually leak out to jurors. Based on this little preview, it appears that she just can’t help herself. She needs to just answer the questions and not editorialize. She needs to not volunteer additional information especially information like thinking Caylee is still alive. If she pulls that nonsense on a jury they will think she is a nutcase and react even more harshly towards Casey. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

She writes so well. Loved the article wrap.

Sunday, July 18, 2010
Baez' Telephone Recording

Today, 4PM EST, Bloggernews.net radio program, "The Simon Barrett Show" will discss the latest developments in the Casey Anthony case. Cindy Anthony's testimony, as well as the testimony of Cindy Anthony's superviosor will be discussed.

Call in questions and commentary add to the excitement but callers with an understanding of how important statements are in an investigation is especially helpful.

3pm central, 4 pm eastern, 646-378-1120
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From Fox 30 News we learn that Jose Baez has filed yet another motion, and this one has some strange elements to it. We will need some quotes on it to analyze, yet I remain convinced that one of the several elements of disagreement between Baez and the other attorneys is his decision to file motions that seem to do more to hurt the defense than help. Although I believe Andrea Lyon quit out of personal disdain for Casey Anthony (Andrea Lyon told us so---see analysis from May 24, 2010) it may have been the "straw that breaks the camel's back" as many other "straws" have been the number of foolish decisions (such as insulting law enforcement, TV appearances, (including the one where he told us that prosecution makes him cry, and the one where he refused to answer about his inappropriate relationship with Casey Anthony), insulting Judge Strictland personally, and the endless motions that seem to backfire time after time.)

Mason cannot be happy about the publicity that this one is bringing. We will need statements from Mason to know with certainty if he is leaving, but I continue to believe that he has one foot out the door, especially with Kathi Belich (see analysis) on his tail.

Casey Anthony’s Atty Wants Release Of Recorded Inmate Call Blocked

WKMG LOCAL 6 NEWS, ORLANDO, Fla. — Casey Anthony’s defense team has filed a motion requesting that a recorded call between defense attorney Jose Baez and a prison inmate not be released to the public.

In the motion, Baez said he was not made aware that the call two months ago between him and Robin Lunceford, an inmate at Lowell Correctional Institute in Ocala, was recorded.

Corrections facilities are allowed to record inmates’ telephone conversations, and under Florida law those recordings are public record.

However, Baez argues in the motion that he was unaware the conversation was being taped. Under Florida law, it is a felony to record a telephone conversation without the consent of both parties.

In the motion, Baez does not indicate whether the prison failed to notify him that the inmate’s call was being recorded. Baez claims his assistant received the telephone call from Lunceford and transferred it to his cell phone.

The prosecution said it plans to release the call to the public.

According to the motion, Lunceford told Baez that she and two other inmates, Robin Adams and Maya Derkovic, conspired to lie to the state about Casey Anthony in hopes of receiving some benefit. Derkovic’s apparent motivation was to transfer to another institution in exchange for her information, the motion said.

Derkovic and Adams claimed earlier this year that they befriended Anthony when they were all housed in the same area of the Orange County Jail. Both women have since made statements to authorities suggesting Anthony may have poisoned her daughter, Caylee Anthony, with chloroform.

Lunceford has made headlines in the past. Lunceford was the jailhouse snitch that gave police a tip about her former cellmate, Gerylan Graham, leading to her being charged with murdering Rilya Wilson, a south Florida girl who disappeared eight years ago.

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"Caylee is Alive", Cindy Anthony

Athough she may have the TV therapists throwing out the word "denial", we will continue to view Cindy Anthony's statements, including those under oath, through the lense of analysis.

Let's review what Brad Conway told us last month, regarding Cindy's testimony on July 15, 2010. (full analysis at [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

In anticipation of her testimony, Brad Conway, her attorney said:

"She's going to tell the truth," Conway said today. "She made the phone calls. It's factual. She's going to testify truthfully.""

Statement Analysis: repetition shows sensitivity.

For Conway, Cindy Anthony telling the truth is a highly sensitive issue. Sensitivity alone when associated with truth shows an acknowledgement of lying. Because Cindy Anthony has lied many times, Conway is naturally nervous, as he may be the one to field the questions about her testimony.

On July 15, Cindy didn't disappoint Brad when she said she believed "Caylee is alive."

Is she in denial, or is she deliberately stating that which is false, in order to taint, in the least, just one juror?

As I have written many times, someone who fabricates reality is rare. Some report that less than 10% of the population lies in this manner. Most deception comes from editing.

We all edit otherwise a story would never end, but deceptive people use editing to deceive; even while their sentences, standing alone, are true.

"I pushed the bag back across the table then I proceeded to leave."

This is true, except for what is missing: the bag is now empty and the subject left WITH the money.

But as far as "lying" goes: He did push the bag. He did push it across the table. He did leave. No lies.

This is the most common form of deception; editing, or withholding information. It is this way because lying is stressful and people will go a long way to avoid the stress of lying.

The rare exception is the person who was raised to lie; to literally invent a scene that did not take place, or a person who does not exist. It is likely that this person was RAISED to lie and learned by example how to use extreme notions, i.e, inventing reality, to deceive.

"Son, you may have one cookie", said Father.

"Dad, I did have one cookie! Sister said I had two. Why does she alway try to get me in trouble?"

The lad did eat two cookies but did he LIE? He deceived because he knew that he wasn't supposed to eat two cookies, so he edited his story. He did eat one cookie, but he also ate the second. Notice that he is being deceptive but NOT inventing reality. Now look at the story from the perspective of a liar:

"Son, you may have one cookie", said Father.

"Dad, a visitor came to our home today and gave me ice cream! It was delicious but Sister wasn't home. I don't know her name, but she said she was leaving on a plane to England. She had blonde hair, perfect teeth, her tonails were painted yellow and blue, and she said that her sister was sick but drove a Rav 4...and on and on...".

Both changed the subject, but one literally invented "reality".

The first one withheld information but did not LIE outright. WHY NOT?

Because lying is stressful to most all human beings.

If you have read the statements analyzed here regarding the Casey Anthony case, it is likely that you have already seen that George and Cindy Anthony made Casey into what she is today.

Her attributes did not come in a vacuum.

Lying: Cindy
Violence: Cindy
Stealing: George
Arrognace: Cindy
Excuse making: George
Laziness: George

and on it goes. The traits are so dominant that even those not very familiar with the case can see that these traits will NOT go well with a jury. In fact, I don't think a jury is going to like behind held in contempt.

Why contempt?

Because liars, by nature of what they do, hold others in contempt.
This was evident when Lindsay Lohan addressed the judge. She was unable to hide her contempt, and within her words, was the truth:

"I don't want you to think I don't respect you". Outside the courtroom, she told us all exactly just how much she disrespects the judge.

Liars hold the world in contempt.

How?

Because they think they are above all others, and expect to be believed when they put out even increasingly foolish sounded lies. It presupposes stupidity on the part of the public, who the liar expects will believe the liar.

Casey Anthony invented a person.
Casey Anthony then made this person a babysiter, and then gave her hair, tattoo, a family, teeth, a dog, relatives, and so on.
Casey Anthony invested a job, a salary, an office, and so much more. She did it with so many details that it was not difficult to peg as lying.

It sounds a bit nutty, does it not?

Does it sound any nuttier than a woman with a necklace of Caylee's ashes around her neck saying, "Caylee is alive"?

Not to me.

Do you see the similarity? All we need is motive.

Casey invented Zanny in order to be rid of Caylee. Casey had a reason to bring Zanny the Nanny to life: so she could take Caylee's life. In this sense, Casey is playing God.

Cindy has a motive, too.

Cindy, inspite of not only knowing where the body was, having it discovered, holding a Memorial service, and then having it creamated and hung around her neck, Cindy has, in a sense, fabricated Caylee and she has good reason:

So she can spare Casey being put to death.

Cindy holds the world in contempt. All the makeovers in the world in attempt to soften her appearance with long hair, less volume, and a few smiles doesn't change the countenance of arrogance she carries.

No juror will buy into Cindy's lie that Caylee is alive.

But, in her arrogance, she thinks she will be believed, or at least, be felt sorry for.

Casey thought she would be believed too.

And now we know the defense has no choice but to go with the Zanny the Nanny kidnap theory.

It won't fly. It may cause Cheney Mason to quit.

Lies become uncovered.

Like Mother, Like Daughter.
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Interview with jail house informant Robin Lunceford
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It was hard enough to stomach Cindy Anthony lying through her teeth as she told Jose Baez and the world that she believed Caylee was still alive as a lame attempt to save Casey’s worthless hide by trying to instill reasonable doubt.

Has premature senility set in? Doesn’t she remember that Caylee’s bones were found along with her skull that still had light brown hair attached to it? Doesn’t she remember that there was duct tape across Caylee’s dismembered head? Perhaps Jose Baez needed to show her the photos of dead Caylee’s duct taped skull to refresh her memory. Then she wouldn’t act like the TOXIC person she appears to be, in trying to manipulate a potential jury.

I can assure you that when a jury is present and she tries to pull this stunt, the prosecution will be all over her. They will ask her why she had a memorial that she alone organized if Caylee was still alive? One does memorials for dead people not for people who are still alive.

There certainly are people who are in such denial they may still believe a granddaughter was still alive when she wasn’t. Their body language and voice and speech patterns would reflect this. Cindy is clearly not one of these people. She knew exactly what she was doing on the stand. She was too coherent, too articulate, too precise, too together, and too knowledgeable to pull off this ridiculous stunt she tried to do.

LEE’S BEHAVIOR WAS REPREHENSIBLE!

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But to next watch Lee Anthony act like a complete buffoon was equally if not more appalling. His attempts to be cutesy and funny and loveable were nauseating. But even more nauseating was the disrespectful and inappropriate stunts.

Also don’t the male Anthony’s own a tie and a pair of nice slacks? When people know they are going to be testifying in a court of law, they usually dress in something a lot more respectable than a pair of old worn, stained blue jeans and an untucked golf shirt as you see above. Lee looked like a complete slob in my view. A jury will not respond well to Lee and his attire has a lot to do with it. I am surprised that his attorney didn’t give him some tips on how to dress in the courtroom.

His disrespect in the courtroom was also evidenced from the get go as he pointed both fingers in front of him as he was confused as to where to go in terms of getting on the witness stand.

He needed to quietly ask his attorney and not rudely point and shuffle. His walk to the stand was a cocky one. He literally bounced to the stand .He seemed overly self confident and overly full of himself at that point, which was a first impression turn off.

WHAT DID HE SAY??? “I LOVE YOU” TO A SISTER HE ALLEGEDLY SEXUALLY MOLESTED?

Then he had the audacity to mouth the words “I LOVE YOU” to his sister Cayleee. This is the same sister who told Jesse Grund her former fiance that at her brother, Lee sexually molested her.

This is also the same sister who told a fellow inmate that her brother sexually molested her. Perhaps you believe that she may have told her fellow inmate this on purpose to help her case. Perhaps you may feel that Casey thought in case her letters became public, the sexual molestation excuse would be a solid reason as to why she allegedly killed Caylee.

But the fact that she told Jesse Grund very early on about Lee’s sexual abuse convinces me that something sexual may very well happened between Casey and her brother. I have a lot of respect for the Grund family and I believe that Jesse was telling the truth to law enforcement with respect to what Casey shared with him about Lee.

If Lee did sexually molest her and now tells her how much he loves her on the stand it is beyond sickening to me. The prosecutor was equally sickened as she wanted to bring what he did to the attention of the court. She cleaverly said ” I take it that that wasn’t meant for me?”

Instead of saying, ”No” and feeling embarrassed about what he did, he bellows out in a loud tone ”No definately not.”

It was completely disrespectful. Since Judge Perry runs such a strict and tight ship I am surprised he did not admonish Lee for this and warn him not to have personal communication with the defendant.

LEE’S DISRESPECT TOWARDS CHENEY MASON

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Cheney Mason attempted to make light of his hearing problems and hearing aids as an attempt to let people know he is hearing impaired. He did it in order to diffuse any embarrassment in case he was not able to catch every word the witness may say. By bringing it out in the open he was also letting the witness know that he may ask them to repeat their answer if he doesn’t catch what they say the first time around.

The hearing aid issue appeared to be an issue with regard to microphone feedback as a humming noise was heard periodically. Cheney made light of it as he mentioned that he couldn’t believe two hearing aid batteries could cause that much static.

The information Cheney Mason revealed was NOT meant to be thrown back at him in the form of a joke.

So when Lee wasn’t focused on what Cheney asked him he didn’t remember what Cheny had asked him. . Instead of politely asking Cheney to repeat the question, he tried to be cutesy and funny and says that there is static in his ears. He then laughed at his own joke.

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Wrap, thanks for posting the raw footage (above) of the courtroom proceedings! I looked briefly at them, but couldn't see any of Lee's appearance on the stand. Is there one of him? Just curious!

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After watching and analyzing George Anthony s exclusive Fox 35 interview a while back, it became clear that George needs to be liked and needs to be seen as the “good guy”. So in keeping up his ”good guy” image, he decided to show up in court to support his wife Cindy, who was going to testify about the 911 call she made when Casey wouldn’t cooperate and Caylee went missing.

The only thing is that he certainly didn’t look like a supportive “good guy” husband. He kept his distance from her physically.

In the photo above, which was taken after Cindy testified and was listening to Judge Perry’s ruling, you can see that although they are sitting close to one another, they are not touching. There is no physical contact. It is obvious from Cindy’s nail biting that she could have used a little TLC and reassurance. She could have used an arm around her or a hand held. But George seemed to be in a world of his own.
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When you look at the physical distance that George is keeping from Cindy it is not a very good sign. Also note how Cindy turns away from George. It is clear that they are both not happy together.

The stress of this trial is definitely showing. One can only imagine what will happen in terms of their relationship when the major trial begins next year.

GEORGE HAS NOTHING TO LAUGH ABOUT WITH CASEY’S SEXUAL MOLESTATION ACCUSATIONS

Even before she testified, Cindy shared a little tension releasing laugh with her attorney Brad Conway. George completely ignored her as he pulled his shoulder away from her and towards his body. This is a clear distancing signal.

George certainly had nothing to laugh about, especially since he was accused of sexually molesting Casey. In all honesty, I can’t imagine anyone ever laughing about anything with regard to this case! An innocent child is dead and Cindy’s daughter may soon die on death row. So Cindy’s chuckle with attorney Brad Conway clearly turned George off even further.

A TURNED OFF GEORGE
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George looks absolutely miserable. He doesn’t acknowledge Cindy at all. His shoulders are rounded in a submissive posture as he is resigned to be somewhere he clearly does NOT want to be.

His face is sour and dour, complete with downturned lips and furrowed brow and very sad looking eyes. They are completely disconnected. Cindy on the other hand seems to be excited about giving her testimony as she is all smiles.

Not to be petty, but since body language involves what you chose or do not chose to wear on your body, it seems that Cindy has chosen to not wear a bra or to wear a very ill fitting one. The fact that she is wearing a Caylee necklace on her chest, brings attention to her chest so it is hard not to notice.

With all the money she earned from licensing the photos of Casey, perhaps she should use some of it to purchase some proper fitting under garments. Once again I am not being mean here, I am just telling it like it is. It speaks volumes about her self care.

DARK ROOTS AND SELF CARE
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And while we are on the subject of Cindy’s outward appearance and her self care , it is clear that she has taken a cue from Casey. Like Casey, she too is growing her hair out.

But if one has decided to have longer hair and also be a blond, it is necessary to take more self care and bleach out your roots because it shows up more and doesn’t look good. If she can’t afford to do that, then she may want stick to her original hair color shown in her roots. If she insists on being a blond and doesn’t have the money or the time to keep up her roots, then she needs to cut it short so that the roots aren’t as visible to others.

LOOK OF DISGUST AND DISDAIN
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There is no question in my mind based on watching the raw video of George and Cindy in the courtroom that George appears to be disgusted by Cindy based on his facial expression whenever he looks at her. There are consistent and numerous flashes of disgust in his facial expression.

There is no doubt that he is disgusted with his daughter Casey for either lying that he molested her, if in fact he did not do so, or outing him if he did indeed molest her and Casey’s breaking the family bond of loyalty and exposing the family secret.Rather than show his sour puss to the world and passive aggressively show up for image sakes so that he can be seen as the “good guy” – the supportive husband and father, it would have been a lot more genuine if he sayed at home.

GUM CHEWING GEORGE
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If George would have stayed home, he could have chewed all the he wanted in the privacy of his own home.

Why doesn’t George’s attorney and friend Brad Conway teach him some proper courtroom etiquette? Since has neglected to do his job, perhaps I can do it for him and educate George through this blog.

When you go into a courtroom it is not a movie theatre or a baseball game. You cannot eat or drink in there or chew there. To do so would be disrespectful. George’s chewing in the courtroom shows complete ignorance of how to comport yourself in a courtroom and complete disrespect.

So here is the bottom line to George and Cindy too. Take a Kleenex and spit out your BEFORE you walk into the courtroom. I am sure that there are trash cans around where you can deposit the Kleenex containing the .

And speaking of disrespect int he courtroom, it seems that the apple does not fall to far from the tree. I will get to George’s son Lee Anthony’s disrespectful courtroom behavior in my next blog.

MORE DISTANCING BODY LANGUAGE FROM GEORGE
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George and Cindy are not a united front as far as their body language reveals. He sits out in front of her as you see here as a distancing mechanism. He looks away from her.And please don’t write to tell me that this is based on one photo. It’s based on a lots of photos and a lot of video watching. Oftentimes just from one moment in time you can see the leakage of how a person really feels about someone.

GEORGE WALKS OUT OF THE COURTROOM ALONE AND LEAVES CINDY BEHIND
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Finally it as time for George and Cindy to leave the courtroom. They faced in opposite directions. He left her trailing behind and didn’t even look back at her or speak to her.

As you can see in the above photo, his rounded shoulders indicate that he has had to submit to being there even though he clearly did not want to be there at all. This photo and the ones preceeding it show that he clearly does not want to be around Cindy.

His expression mirrors how he feels inside. George is completely miserable and no doubt feels stuck . Also note how he pulls his head away from Cindy. Once again, that is a distancing behavior.

Finally George left the courtroom and Cindy was standing there alone by herself.

There is no doubt that this entire ordeal has taken it’s toll on their previously fragile relationship. Even though they have tried to put up a good public front in the past, as things become more stressful I believe it will put an even greater strain on them.

GEORGE FACING THE GRIM REALITY FOR THE FIRST TIME IN TWO YEARS

A lot of this strain has to do with George coming out of the fog and finally facing reality. Casey’s accusations of him sexually molesting her, jolted him back into reality.

Whether it is true or not, he is now out of his illusion concerning Casey. He sees her for exactly what she is. If he didn’t molest her, he sees her as the lying dangerous monster that she is. He may now clearly see her as killing Casey and now trying to kill him and his reputation with her lies. If he did indeed sexually molest her, then he faces the grim reality of realizing how his improper actions may have contributed to Case’s aberrant behaviors.

Either case is a very grim scenario. He can no longer look at Casey the same way. He can no longer sit there with a straight face and defend her to the hilt. He can no longer go on and on about a fictious Zanny the Nanny or try to use River Cruz as a cause for reasonable doubt.

For the first time George is feeling emotions other than the grief of losing the only person in his life who gave him a reason to wake up in the morning- little Caylee. The emotional veil has finally been lifted. So he has to be feeling the anger and the rage he has towards Casey fro taking away his precious grand daughter.

Prior to this George was an emotionally vacant parent. By his own admission told Casey he wasn’t a great father as he preety much let Casey do whatever she wanted to do. So now he is forced to live with that. Being emotionally vacant, he had no clue with what what really going on with Casey or who she really was as a person. Now for the first time in his life he has taken a close look at who Casey really is and it is not a pretty picture. It is devastating for him and it shows in every aspect of his body language.

My only hope for George is that he is seeing someone who is a licensed psychologist or a psychiatrist who can help him cope with what must be a living hell. He needs a lot of support from a professional who will be there to guide him properly during the roller coaster ride of the trial and it’s aftermath. He needs a professional in his corner to help him cope with the grim reality. That reality is that his own flesh and blood may be killed by having a neddle stuck through her own flesh as it’s poisons course through her own blood.

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The judge in the Casey Anthony case today ordered the State Attorney's Office to give him a copy of a recorded jailhouse phone call between defense attorney Jose Baez and a prison inmate.

Chief Judge Belvin Perry's order directs the state to give him a copy of the call so he can review it in private.

The call has not become public.

Perry's order comes days after Casey Anthony's attorney asked the court to seal what he calls an illegally recorded phone conversation he had with state prisoner Robin Lunceford, who he says conspired with other female inmates to tell lies about his client.


Much of what inmate Lunceford told Baez — as well as other details — is unknown. Baez provided few specifics in a document he filed with the court last week.

Perry's order also directs the state to file a written response to Baez's motion to seal.

Baez said he received a phone call from an inmate claiming to be Lunceford in May.

The topics discussed during the conversation include talk that "Lunceford along with Maya Derkovic conspired with [Robyn] Adams to possibly benefit by lying to the state [prosecutors] about Casey Anthony," Baez said in his motion.

Many inmate calls are recorded by officials who run the institutions where they are incarcerated. That was the case with this call, Baez said. But at the time he was unaware he was being recorded and did not consent to the recording.

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