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Post by artgal16 Tue Oct 25, 2011 9:59 am

The position of the mattress in the crib is extremely important - if you believe that Debbie truly was passed out - and Lisa was in the crib and restless - after all she had put down fairly early at 6:30 - she probably did wake up at least once. Would she have just stayed quietly in her crib? Did she cry and no one came to her or did she try to climb out and fall? My daugher could climb out of her crib at 11 months.
My only thought is could such a fall have really killed her?

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Post by raine1953 Tue Oct 25, 2011 10:00 am

Is it just me or did Debbie cut her hair? I think it was on last night's NG show that I thought this.
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Post by jeanne1807 Tue Oct 25, 2011 10:01 am

Rumor has it that DB and JI were up about $300,000 from interviews before the People article and pictures.

A local posts on another blog I belong too.

Thats why for the locals..they are grieving and for the national they are available..for a price.

Rumor.
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Post by jeanne1807 Tue Oct 25, 2011 10:02 am

raine1953 wrote:Is it just me or did Debbie cut her hair? I think it was on last night's NG show that I thought this.

That was a big discussion. Seems she is sporting a new cut and dye job.

Honestly I think she is trying to be a Casey Anthony copy cat. She followed that case.

I wish they would call in some of these search groups and expand the search. That baby girl is out there and I think in a black plastic bag. MOO
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Post by artgal16 Tue Oct 25, 2011 10:18 am

And so it begins.....
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I'm sure she's had a hair cut; not sure if it matters....
Stop the video at 1:41; it's a little below her shoulders. In this picture it's down to the middle of her back.

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Investigators want the parents of missing 11-month-old Lisa Irwinto submit to separate interviews and answer a list of "tough questions" that detectives "need answered."

Kansas City Police Capt. Steve Young made his statement as the investigation into the toddler's disapperance entered its fourth week without any suspects or leads to the girl's whereabouts.

The focus of the investigation remains on the parents, Deborah Bradley, 25, and Jeremy Irwin, 29.

"We need them to sit down apart from each other, with detectives, and answer the tough questions detectives have for them concerning what they may or may not know about anything, who came and went [the night Lisa disappeared]," Young told ABCNews.com. "There's a whole list of things that they may know."

Young said he is "not disputing" family attorney Joe Tacopina's claims that the family has cooperated and answered other questions, such as specific questions regarding tips and leads. But that is not sufficient, he said.

"The bottom line is detectives need to sit down with them unrestricted and they need to answer questions that we need answered," he said.

The captain rejected any suggestion that the case has hit a dead end.

"It would be far from reality to call this a cold case," Young said. "We're still looking at everything."

Young made his comments as Tacopina unleashed more criticism of the investigation, telling "Good Morning America" today that the parents have cooperated with numerous searches and interrogations.

"It really is maddening to me to listen to this police spokesperson come out there, and instead of informing the public—and more importantly the family—about leads and the status of the investigation and the manhunt, he comes out and makes these statements," Tacopina said. "And, quite frankly, they've [parents] done everything they've been asked to do...They have nothing to hide. They want answers."

When asked if there are restrictions on the conversations Lisa's parents will have, Tacopina said, "Oh, there's a restriction. I'm imposing that the questioning is going to be in good faith and fair and not the questioning that was done within an hour of baby Lisa's disappearance."

Tacopina claimed police accused Bradley of murdering her child within an hour of beginning to interrogate her.

"That's just not good investigatory tactics and it doesn't build good faith in them," Tacopina said.

He said Bradley would be willing to sit down for questioning "as long as the investigators doing the questioning are ones who have not previously determined guilt before having a stitch of evidence. We want a fair investigation."

Tacopina and another lawyer for the parents Cyndy Short have criticized the investigation in recent days.

Young declined to comment on Tacopina's remarks today other than to say, "I stand by all my previous statements."

Tacopina said the focus of the investigation should return to the three people who claim they saw a man carrying a baby dressed only in a diaper walking on the road in two different places on the night Lisa disappeared.

Baby Lisa Cops and Parents' Lawyers Clash

"That should raise all the red flags that it raises in my head to anyone who's out there really trying to do an investigation that includes a hunt for Lisa, and hopefully an alive and well Lisa," he said.

Mike Thompson, the witness who claims he saw a man carrying a baby on the side of the road around 4 a.m. the night Lisa disappeared told ABC News police questioned him again on Monday.

"Yesterday they showed me a paper with six pictures on it," Thompson said. "And I picked out the man they had been showing pictures of."

The man in the photograph has been questioned by the police several times, but the other witnesses, a couple who live three houses down from the Irwin house, said the photo did not match the man they say they saw with a baby the night Lisa disappeared.

"No, I don't recognize him," the woman said when shown the photo. "He was tall and slender and, as far as his head, we thought he was bald."

Baby Lisa has been missing since the night of Oct. 3 and an anonymous benefactor is offering a $100,000 reward for her safe return or the conviction of whoever took the little girl.

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Post by artgal16 Tue Oct 25, 2011 3:16 pm

I follow blinkoncrime.com and also the thehinkymeter.com as well -both have a lot of great insights into these cases.
Its incredible to me that the police never split up Jeremy and Debbie from the beginning - this is the first principal of interrogation -now they are lawyered up no one will talk.
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Post by jeanne1807 Tue Oct 25, 2011 5:27 pm

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Post by Guest Tue Oct 25, 2011 6:45 pm

artgal said My daugher could climb out of her crib at 11 months.
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None of mine did until they were 2 yrs old.


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Post by artgal16 Tue Oct 25, 2011 6:52 pm

I think it was a thought for many due to the high nature of the mattress next to the top of the rail. Maybe not -but it has to be an accident of some kind - I dont believe that she murdered the child. In the Creed case that took place on Fort Bragg that was murder in my mind they believed the mother starved the child to death. The circumstances played out the same - mother alleged the child taken from the crib - screen from a window pried open but the bones of the child were eventually found in the attic of the house. In this case I think it was an accident and Debbie covered it up. The reason? How can we ever know the reasons some people do what they do. I personally feel it was fear of her losing everything because it was due to her negligence.
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Post by jeanne1807 Tue Oct 25, 2011 10:59 pm

I tend to agree with you artgal. I too think she was drunk and something happened to that baby. The big question remains..where is she?

I see Casey Anthony all over this one. If DB was this drunked up then she has to have had help. That's the story I want to hear. Who helped and where did they put Baby Lisa?

Not knowing the husband it is hard to talk about his lack of emotion. But the man appears kind of shell shocked.

JVM asked if perhaps she had somebody in after the neighbor left but I am discounting that because she expected JI home around 10 from his work. He was not able to call and let her know he would be much later. Her not knowing that I don't think anybody was there.

Just her and the kids. Who helped her? Who knew she was in a terrible mess. Who would dispose of a dead baby?

Lots of questions and no answers.
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Post by southerntraveler Wed Oct 26, 2011 10:56 am

jeanne1807 wrote:
raine1953 wrote:Is it just me or did Debbie cut her hair? I think it was on last night's NG show that I thought this.

That was a big discussion. Seems she is sporting a new cut and dye job.

Honestly I think she is trying to be a Casey Anthony copy cat. She followed that case.

I wish they would call in some of these search groups and expand the search. That baby girl is out there and I think in a black plastic bag. MOO

She does have a fresh cut and highlights. I agree with you. She appears to be orchestrating whatever is videoed by the reporters. She looks up at the reporters as if checking that they are getting the "right" view as she clings close to her BF for comfort. She may not have planned Lisa's death but she appears to be taking advantage of the circumstance, hence all the appearances on national media shows. It is so unfortunate that she has had the chance to "program" the boys into believing anything she wants them to. Hopefully, experts can bring out the truth of what these little boys know about Lisa.

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Post by artgal16 Wed Oct 26, 2011 11:07 am

This is what the media has become - a corrupting influence on cases like this especially the ones that involve children. The same with the attorneys who rush in - the proverbial ambulance chasers who want to get their face and name in front of cameras. What a world
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Post by raine1953 Wed Oct 26, 2011 2:27 pm

Baby Lisa's Brothers: Interviews and DNA Sampling Scheduled

Missing Missouri 11-month-old baby Lisa Irwin's two older brothers, who were in the house the night she disappeared, will submit to interviews with investigators and provide DNA samples.

Child specialists spoke to the boys on Oct. 4, the day after Lisa's disappearance, but investigators have not had access to Lisa's 5 and 8-year-old half brothers since then.

"This will be the first time we've had a chance to interview them since then," Kansas City Police Officer Darin Snapp told ABCNews.com today. "We have not been allowed access to the children until [parents Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin] agreed to bring them in this Friday."

"We are expecting to collect DNA samples," Snapp said. "It will be very non-intrusive, pretty much just a Q-tip swab." Snapp said some DNA samples, currently in a lab, that were collected from the house are labeled "unknown" and they want to use the boys' DNA to eliminate some of the unknown samples.

"We spoke to one for 50 minutes and the other for 30 minutes," Snapp said. "They were woken up very early in the morning and, due to their ages, we didn't want to interview them for too long that day."

Snapp said there will not be any detectives involved in Friday's interviews. They will be conducted by child specialists.

Investigators want to "bring them back to see if they remember anything that might be able to help find their younger sister," Snapp said. The boys were reportedly sleeping with Bradley in her bed when Lisa disappeared and may have heard noises in the house.

Tensions between investigators and Lisa's family have continued amidst discord about Bradley, 25, and Irwin's, 29, level of cooperation, but police are still intent on interviewing them.

Investigators want Lisa's parents to submit to separate interviews and answer a list of "tough questions" that detectives "need answered."

Kansas City Police Capt. Steve Young made his statement Tuesday as the investigation into the toddler's disappearance entered its fourth week without any suspects or leads to the girl's whereabouts.

"We need them to sit down apart from each other, with detectives, and answer the tough questions detectives have for them concerning what they may or may not know about anything, who came and went [the night Lisa disappeared]," Young told ABCNews.com. "There's a whole list of things that they may know."

Young said he is "not disputing" family attorney Joe Tacopina's claims that the family has cooperated and answered other questions, such as specific questions regarding tips and leads. But that is not sufficient, he said.

"The bottom line is detectives need to sit down with them unrestricted and they need to answer questions that we need answered," he said.

The captain rejected any suggestion that the case has hit a dead end.

"It would be far from reality to call this a cold case," Young said. "We're still looking at everything."

Police have received over 975 tips and have cleared almost 800 of those tips.

Baby Lisa has been missing since the night of Oct. 3 and an anonymous benefactor is offering a $100,000 reward for her safe return or the conviction of whoever took the little girl.
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The attorney for the parents of missing 11-month-old Lisa Irwin have canceled a scheduled media tour of the couple’s Northland home as well as a press conference slated for this afternoon.

“The last few weeks have been exhausting to everyone working on behalf of the Irwin family, it has exhausted Lisa’s parents and her friends and family,” said attorney Cynthia L. Short in a written statement.

“Therefore, the consensus is we all need a rest, until next week all media, therefore all appointments in Kansas City today and tomorrow are being postponed until next weeks,” Short said in a released issued just before 9 a.m.

The release did not indicate if the police interview with Lisa’s two brothers that was scheduled for this week had been canceled as well.

Short could not be reached for immediate comment.

Pool photographers were scheduled to tour the family home on North Lister Avenue at 11 a.m. The images taken from the tour were to be distributed to Kansas City and national media outlets.

In the afternoon, lawyer Short had scheduled a press conference in her office and answer questions, from only local reporters.

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Post by artgal16 Thu Oct 27, 2011 10:45 am

The inconsistencies come out in the eye-witnesses when an actual person has been identified (not by name but in this case a video of a man walking out of the woods)because their tale of seeing a man carrying a baby is shaky to begin with. Once it comes down to possibly involving another person - they back off. That seems to me to say that they are not credible. In the end, John and Patsey Ramsey did speak to investigators separately, but it was a while before they did and their stories matched. To me all these eye-witnesses are just a distraction from the fact that Lisa is still missing and her parents are now refusing to speak. Im sure the police in Kansas City are very aware of what happened in Florida and are really up against it when it comes to investigating this case. What a legacy the Anthonys have left in the investigations of missing and abused children.
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Post by jeanne1807 Thu Oct 27, 2011 12:40 pm

Sounds to me like something is up. Cancelling everything? I wonder if an arrest is in the works?
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Post by artgal16 Thu Oct 27, 2011 12:45 pm

Cancelling everything? what are they cancelling?
is that from the link above? I didnt hear that I will listen to it again.
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Post by Slys Hunny Thu Oct 27, 2011 1:59 pm

Art its in the article BJ posted above.

Lawyers for Lisa Irwin's parents cancel media events
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Post by artgal16 Thu Oct 27, 2011 2:37 pm

As far as this being a "cold case" or not I believe as far as the police are concerned the theory that an intruder took
the baby is cold for them. They suspect Debbie and I think anything that they do from now on will be focused on trying to arrest her.
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Post by charminglane Thu Oct 27, 2011 2:53 pm

Agreed. ruled
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Post by raine1953 Thu Oct 27, 2011 3:08 pm

Kansas City Police Search Pond for Missing Baby Lisa Irwin

Kansas City police Thursday searched a small lake near the home of missing 11-month-old Lisa Irwin.
Police say the search was not initiated by a tip, but rather an expansion of their search.
The search at Chaumiere Lake lasted only about an hour and nothing of significance was found, according to police spokesman Darin Snapp.
Earlier Thursday, Lisa's parents canceled a news conference and planned media walkthrough of their home, citing exhaustion.
"The last few weeks have been exhausting to everyone working on behalf of the Irwin family," lawyer Cyndy Short said in a statement. "Therefore, the consensus is we all need a rest ... All appointments in Kansas City today and tomorrow are being postponed until next week."

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Post by artgal16 Thu Oct 27, 2011 3:11 pm

Ha! this attorney is a piece of work! Would any of us need "a rest" if our child was missing? I dont think so.
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Post by charminglane Thu Oct 27, 2011 3:50 pm

I thought the same thing.
Who rests when a child is missing? No one.
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Post by raine1953 Thu Oct 27, 2011 3:58 pm

I agree I agree I agree crap
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Post by artgal16 Thu Oct 27, 2011 4:02 pm

Reading at statement analysis one thing he finds senstive is the time of 10:30pm This is the time Debbie first said she took Lisa to bed - she has now changed it and said 6:30 and Lisa was awake. He feels whatever happened did so at 10:30pm
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Post by karminstant Thu Oct 27, 2011 4:10 pm

I just joined this site to add my two cents! Nice to meet all you! :)

Re: the crib. When I looked at that crib, with its raised mattress and stuff stacked up high in it, I thought about how my sister had the same thing because her baby slept with her and she didn't use the crib!

So I'm wondering if the baby was not even in her crib at all that night, but in her parents bed. This would explain what the dogs picked up on the side of the bed. Perhaps baby Lisa fell out of bed onto the floor (was it carpeted) and just fell asleep. Her drunk mother comes in, doesn't turn on the light, and steps on the baby, crushing her. Panicking, she runs around turning all the lights in the house, maybe she calls her husband at this point. Then she realizes she is wasted, that she has stepped and killed her own child, and if she says anything, she is afraid of losing her other kids, and going to jail. So the ruse begins.


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Post by Nama Thu Oct 27, 2011 4:21 pm

Lisa sleeping with the mother....very possible. My granddaughter slept with her parents from the day she was born until she was 3 yrs old.
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Post by Nama Thu Oct 27, 2011 4:28 pm

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Post by karminstant Thu Oct 27, 2011 4:36 pm

Some other thoughts regarding my theory: Lisa sleeping in her mother's bed would also be why Debbie's story about putting her to bed seems like lies. Because she never put her to bed in her crib. In fact, she may have laid down with Lisa until she went to sleep (this is what my sister does). So this is also why she mixes up the bedtimes. This could also be why she didn't want the boys talking to the police, because they knew the baby sleeps in mommy's bed.

If their bed was lower to the floor, and their floor carpeted, Lisa could have slid off the bed onto the floor w/o harm especially if comforters that slid down with her softened her fall. Debbie wouldn't have turned on the lights because she wouldn't want to wake the baby.

The lights being all on sounds like a hysterical reaction to me. She realized what she had done and was going nuts. Perhaps there was ongoing phone calls between her and her husband during this time, and came up with the plan. Rather, I think she came up with the plan, and perhaps he is the submissive type and reluctantly agreed because he loves her. The three phones most likely are wherever Lisa is. *sigh*
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Post by Slys Hunny Thu Oct 27, 2011 4:56 pm

WELCOME Karminstant!!!

I think that theory is very possible. I have thought of alot of accidents that could have happened. I just keep coming back to if its an accident why the cover up?
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Post by jeanne1807 Thu Oct 27, 2011 6:31 pm

Slys Hunny wrote:WELCOME Karminstant!!!

I think that theory is very possible. I have thought of alot of accidents that could have happened. I just keep coming back to if its an accident why the cover up?

I don't understand covering an accident either. There has to be some reason they didn't call LE. Maybe the baby was given something..to much..to sleep. Maybe she shook her. Maybe she sufficated her. A woman in a drunken stupor might do all kinds of things to quiet a crying baby.

Something happened that she did not dial 911 and if we don't find the baby soon we may never know just like little Caylee.
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Post by karminstant Thu Oct 27, 2011 7:18 pm

I agree, that there has to be some reason for a cover up. What if she wasn't just drunk? What if she did some drugs that night too?

Someone else here also mentioned how because she's still married to a military man, she's getting benefits. So there may be that too. Outside of Lisa, perhaps she is doing something she shouldn't be, and didn't want to get caught for that too.

Thanks for the warm welcome! :)
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The interview scheduled for Friday with the brothers of Lisa Irwin has been postponed.

Kansas City police spokesman Steve Young said tonight that the family of the missing infant or their attorney made the decision.


Two attorneys for the parents — Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin — declined to comment immediately to The Star tonight.

The parents, who live in the Northland, reported her missing the morning of Oct. 4.

The boys, ages 5 and 8, reportedly were at the home on North Lister Avenue the night Lisa disappeared. Trained specialists talked to the boys early on, but a second interview had been scheduled for Friday.

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Post by raine1953 Thu Oct 27, 2011 11:26 pm

I can't think of a single reason that the parents are now (again) declining to talk with LE, refusing to be interviewed separately, refusing the interviews with their boys other than someone is guilty as hell for Lisa's disappearance and I don't think it's the husband, other than the fact he's probably an accessory after the fact.
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karminstant, your posts make a lot of sense!

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Post by raine1953 Fri Oct 28, 2011 12:47 am

Karminstant, welcome to VH! You bring up some very good points that I sure hadn't thought of.
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Post by Nama Fri Oct 28, 2011 9:15 am

Planned interviews and DNA tests of missing Missouri girl Lisa Irwin's young brothers were postponed Friday, perhaps indefinitely, as the Irwin family's two lawyers entered a bizarre public conflict over their handling of the case.
One of the lawyers, Cyndy Short, announced Wednesday that the boys, aged six and eight, would be re-interviewed by police about the night their sister disappeared from the family home in Kansas City, Mo.

But late Thursday, Short appeared to change her mind. "I've done research and see more potential for harm than good with the interview," she told the Kansas City Star. "It won't happen tomorrow and maybe never."

The Irwin family's other lawyer, New York-based Joe Tacopina, contradicted Short when he told KCTV late Thursday that the much-anticipated interviews with the brothers might happen next week.

Reports also emerged late Thursday that Tacopina had fired Short from the case.
"He's not in a position to fire anyone," Short responded. "I work for the client, not him."

The spat occurred just hours after Kansas City police searched a small lake near the Irwin family home.
Officers said the move was not initiated by a tip, but was an expansion of their ongoing hunt, FOXNews.com reported.
The search at Chaumiere Lake lasted only about an hour and nothing of significance was found, according to police spokesman Darin Snapp.

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Post by artgal16 Fri Oct 28, 2011 9:16 am

Karminstant - welcome this is a wonderful place for discussion of these cases: It seems there is trouble
between Joe Taco and Cyndy:
Earlier this week the Kansas City Police Department confirmed that the parents of missing baby Lisa had agreed to bring Lisa’s two older half-brothers in for further forensic interviews, and for DNA swab sampling. And then…it was off, with a rather bizarre set of statements made publicly by two separate attorneys who appear at odds.

It started yesterday with an announcement from the local Kansas City attorney for Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin, Cyndy Short, stating the family was exhausted from unending questioning (by whom???) and that the family had cancelled all appointments for the rest of the week. The excuse sounded pretty lame from the moment it was released considering that the family won’t speak to local media, hasn’t spoken to national media in quite some time, and darned sure aren’t talking to KCPD. So short of talking to their own lawyers and themselves, it’s not real clear who questioned them to near exhaustion.

Then Joe Tacopina, from his roost in New York City, responded to media inquiries stating that the interview of the boys would most likely be some time next week. Which garnered a response from Cyndy Short of “uhhh, wrong, it may never happen”. In fact, what she actually stated was

I’ve done research and see more potential for harm than good with the interview. It won’t happen tomorrow and maybe never.

Which leads me to ask…really, Cyndy? I understand you can advise your clients (that would be Deborah and Jeremy as far as we know) to not answer any question that would incriminate them, but exactly what authority are you acting under to openly state you intend to prevent interviews with potential witnesses (to a kidnapping, right Cyndy…that’s still what they may have witnessed, right? No matter what Version we’re on, that’s still the story isn’t it? ) Unless…Deborah and Jeremy are not your only clients and there is some reason that the boys being questioned would place the children, or one of the children, under the risk of self-incrimination. I mean, seriously, Cyndy, you can’t prevent a witness from being interviewed if they end up subpoenad, right? Not unless the witness is not really a witness, right?

A very odd statement as far as I’m concerned.

Then the catfight started. A rumor wafted westward toward Kansas City that Joe Tacopina had fired Cyndy Short. Cyndy said, “He’s not in a position to fire anyone. I work for the client, not him.” Which apparently made Joe stop talking to everybody, including the press, which I didn’t even know you could pull off!

Did I mention that courtesy of statements made by Cyndy Short, Joe Tacopina and Bill Stanton in the past week, that we’re actually to Version 5.0. Joe Tacopina, in response to an interview question about a possible cadaver dog hit in the master bedroom said,

That can’t be. That can’t be, because she [Deborah] was in the [master] bedroom with her two boys…”

So we’ve gone from the two boys being in their bed and Jeremy finding Lisa not in her crib before he entered the master bedroom, to one boy being in bed with Deborah and Jeremy finding Lisa not in her crib before he entered the master bedroom, to one boy being in the bed and Jeremy not even checking on Lisa before entering the master bedroom (even though her bedroom door was open and right next to the master bedroom), to both boys being in the master bedroom and Jeremy not bothering to even look in Lisa’s open door before he entered the master bedroom.

Don’t forget we’ve also gone from, the first question Jeremy asking Deborah (in whichever version above you want to pick) being “Where is Lisa?” to Deborah was hard to wake up and then he asked “Where is Lisa?” to Deborah waking up and them chatting it up for a couple of minutes and then him not even asking about Lisa but asking “What’s going on here?” which leads to Deborah freaking out and Jeremy racing (like three steps maybe) to the baby’s room and finding her missing.

Meanwhile the KCPD deployed search teams with 3 cadaver dogs yesterday to a small lake/pond near the Irwin home (about 2 miles away). They stated it was not because of any specific tip, and they did not get any indication from the dogs that would lead them to believe there might be a dead body at the location.

24 days and still no baby Lisa… but at least her parents are getting some well-deserved rest.
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Post by artgal16 Fri Oct 28, 2011 9:19 am

The fact that Debbie and Jeremy have changed their stories so many times has not gone unnoticed by the police - their latest search at the pond means that they are going all out to try to find the babys body. Now again like with Baez when he added Cheney Mason (who is now writing a book - join the club) we have to put up with listening to two insufferable lawyers - god give us strength!
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Post by Slys Hunny Fri Oct 28, 2011 9:52 am

This case just gets stranger by the day! Id say the parents have something to hide or they wouldnt be refusing for the boys to be talked to. If that baby was kidnapped they would be lined up at LEs door to give statements be interviewed and to get DNA tests!

The lawyers are a joke!!!
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Post by gavinsgrammy Fri Oct 28, 2011 10:53 am

I am so frustrated with these people. Exhausted from what???? Certainly not because they have been out searching or talking with police. Must be exhausted from hair appointments and paid interviews. They know where that baby is and what happened to her and fear that the older children will give something away when they are interviewed.

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Post by artgal16 Fri Oct 28, 2011 11:40 am

I think that the attorney Cyndy Short is off the case!
Just heard the tale end of a news report on TV -if anyone finds a link please post it!
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KANSAS CITY, MO (KCTV) -

Cyndy Short, a Kansas City area attorney, is no longer representing the parents of missing baby Lisa Irwin.

Sources tell KCTV5 that Short was forced off the case Thursday. It is unclear Friday whether that came at the direction of Joe Tacopina, a New York attorney.

Tacopina joined the case last week. He could not be reached for comment Friday.

KCTV5's Jeanene Kiesling asked baby Lisa's parents, Debbie Bradley and Jeremy Irwin, about Short no longer representing them when they returned to a relative's home Thursday night.

"This is the first I've heard of it," Bradley replied. "You know as much as I do."

Chris McCallister, Short's husband, said his wife would not be going to the office Friday and would not be doing interviews.

"She does not work for Joe. She works for Debbie and Jeremy," McCallister said. "She works for the family."

Short had planned to meet Thursday afternoon with local reporters to discuss the case but abruptly canceled the news conference Thursday morning. Police say Tacopina also scrapped today's interviews by a trained specialists with Lisa's older half brothers.

Lisa's parents called 911 about 4 a.m. Oct. 4 to report that someone had kidnapped their sleeping daughter from her crib in their Northland home.

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Post by artgal16 Fri Oct 28, 2011 11:44 am

Ha! Well Joe Taco - staked out his territory it seems - I bet Debbie and Jeremy signed something with Joe that gives him priority - cant have anyone else hogging the spotlight, eh Joe!
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Post by Nama Fri Oct 28, 2011 11:47 am

artgal16 wrote:I think that the attorney Cyndy Short is off the case!
Just heard the tale end of a news report on TV -if anyone finds a link please post it!
ABC News also learned that the family's Kansas City attorney Cyndy Short was forced off of the legal team overnight, for unknown reasons. Short did not respond to ABCNews.com's request for comment, but her office said she is preparing a statement.

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Post by raine1953 Fri Oct 28, 2011 12:30 pm

Unbelievable. This is just like a bad soap opera!
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Parents Want New Detectives

But the accusation – along with Bradley's statement that police told her she failed a lie detector test – has prompted the couple to request new detectives who will consider the theory that their daughter may have been kidnapped, says their local lawyer, who is assisting the family alongside prominent New York defense attorney Joe Tacopina.

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Post by Nama Fri Oct 28, 2011 3:00 pm

An overnight shake-up in the search for missing Missouri 11-month-old Lisa Irwin canceled interviews with her two half-brothers and forced one of the family's attorneys off the case.

Baby Lisa's 5 and 8-year-old brothers had been scheduled to sit down with child specialists today for interviews about the night Lisa disappeared and to have DNA samples collected, but those interviews were abruptly called off Thursday night by the Irwin family's attorney Joe Tacopina.

Tacopina said he would call police next week and reschedule the interview, according to ABC News' Kansas City affiliate KMBC. Attorneys will reportedly still allow DNA samples to be taken from the boys' cheeks.

This is the first time I've heard this story (below).

Shortly after Lisa vanished, Bradley said that three of the family's cell phones that had been sitting on the kitchen counter were taken along with her daughter. Police have been mum about the phones, but a Kansas City woman told "Good Morning America" today that she received a phone call from one of those phones on the night Lisa disappeared.

"I received a phone call, well my phone did, the night that baby Lisa went missing," Megan Wright said. "It was apparently a 50 second phone call. I don't know who answered it or what was said or who was on the other end of the phone."

Wright said investigators tracked her down and have questioned her four times.

"I told them that I'd been through the neighborhood with my ex-boyfriend," Wright said. "I didn't know the family, didn't recognize the pictures, had never seen baby Lisa until I saw her picture on the news."

Wright is the latest person to come forward as some sort of witness to the mysterious night. Three other people have said they saw a man carrying a baby dressed only in a diaper the night Lisa disappeared. While police have investigated these leads, no suspects have been named and countless searches have led to dead ends.

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