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Re: 3-25-13 ~ 4/15/2013 -Jodi Arias trial:32-yo accused of shooting her lover,Travis Alexander,in the face, stabbing him 29 times, & slitting his throat from ear to ear. DP is on the table. Arias claiming self defense/ Thread #5
by Lilone Thu Apr 11, 2013 9:16 pm
I kind of liked the jury's questions. I thought they were more to the point than many of the lawyers' questions. My favorite was this one:
-Do you think it is possible for Jodi to have manipulated you as she did others?
Of course, when asked about whether she believes that men are more abusive than women, she started rambling on about how she knows many men who are wonderful and non-abusive. She never commented, however, on her own personal, intimate, sexual relationships. We know she was once married to a man and has children, but this husband was not included in her long list of non-abusive men.
Using ALV's own methods of assessment, I have read many writings, I have seen many examples and I think there is reason to believe that:
ALV is NOT an expert, she IS argumentative and she has chosen to lead an "alternative lifestyle". Some may see it as deviant... Let me explain why I think this way.
She rambled on and on about the price of tea in China, but couldn't remember enough about the case to give intelligent answers to the prosecutor's questions.
She argued about the definitions of words such as 'manipulate' and even challenged Noah Webster's command of the English language.
She confronted and told him, in her own words, that the prosecutor was being verbally abusive to her. With that same mouth, she told on him so the judge would instruct him to speak nicely to her.
She said, under oath and in her own words, that she wasn't looking or smiling at Jodi, but at her 'friends' in the front row.
Considering that 90% of all communication is non-verbal, I submit that it is, by a preponderance of the evidence, apparent to me that she has a 'girlfriend'.
The short-cropped hairdo, the wedding band and the female entourage are all evidence that she fits the stereotype. I would "read" this evidence as saying to me that she has most likely had at least one abusive hetero-sexual relationship, most likely with her ex-husband and possibly others. This non-verbal evidence thereby provides an explanation for her female 'friend' who escorts her arm-in-arm to and from court every day.
And she does appear, by her own verbage, to hate men... except for her wonderful father and son.
STEREOTYPES MAY OR MAY NOT REFLECT REALITY. I'M JUST SAYIN'... She has a way of using sterotypical descriptions to support her own theories about Travis Alexander & the DV alleged by the defendant, and I reserve the right to use them to support my own theories.
There is probably no one more glad for her to be off the stand than she, ALV herself. She must be covered in emotional bruises for the emotional beating she has taken in the past week, all at the hands of a male prosecutor. She could benefit from the council of a good "DV/Battered Woman" Expert.
If she thinks being 'old-fashioned' gives her an excuse to avoid asking the hard questions, she's flat out wrong. If she thinks that having given a lot of speeches and conducting group therapy makes her a Battered Woman Assessment EXPERT, she needs to think again. And if she believes that her opinion is gospel, she is sadly mistaken.
One thing is certain. This woman needs to pack up and go home. I don't know what her time in Phoenix has cost her (assuming she paid for all her and her friends' expenses), but I do know that AZ taxpayers are poorer for having had her sit on the stand and spew BS for two weeks. I think she's going to have a hard time convincing anyone who knows about this trial that she is an expert at anything.
-Do you think it is possible for Jodi to have manipulated you as she did others?
Of course, when asked about whether she believes that men are more abusive than women, she started rambling on about how she knows many men who are wonderful and non-abusive. She never commented, however, on her own personal, intimate, sexual relationships. We know she was once married to a man and has children, but this husband was not included in her long list of non-abusive men.
Using ALV's own methods of assessment, I have read many writings, I have seen many examples and I think there is reason to believe that:
ALV is NOT an expert, she IS argumentative and she has chosen to lead an "alternative lifestyle". Some may see it as deviant... Let me explain why I think this way.
She rambled on and on about the price of tea in China, but couldn't remember enough about the case to give intelligent answers to the prosecutor's questions.
She argued about the definitions of words such as 'manipulate' and even challenged Noah Webster's command of the English language.
She confronted and told him, in her own words, that the prosecutor was being verbally abusive to her. With that same mouth, she told on him so the judge would instruct him to speak nicely to her.
She said, under oath and in her own words, that she wasn't looking or smiling at Jodi, but at her 'friends' in the front row.
Considering that 90% of all communication is non-verbal, I submit that it is, by a preponderance of the evidence, apparent to me that she has a 'girlfriend'.
The short-cropped hairdo, the wedding band and the female entourage are all evidence that she fits the stereotype. I would "read" this evidence as saying to me that she has most likely had at least one abusive hetero-sexual relationship, most likely with her ex-husband and possibly others. This non-verbal evidence thereby provides an explanation for her female 'friend' who escorts her arm-in-arm to and from court every day.
And she does appear, by her own verbage, to hate men... except for her wonderful father and son.
STEREOTYPES MAY OR MAY NOT REFLECT REALITY. I'M JUST SAYIN'... She has a way of using sterotypical descriptions to support her own theories about Travis Alexander & the DV alleged by the defendant, and I reserve the right to use them to support my own theories.
There is probably no one more glad for her to be off the stand than she, ALV herself. She must be covered in emotional bruises for the emotional beating she has taken in the past week, all at the hands of a male prosecutor. She could benefit from the council of a good "DV/Battered Woman" Expert.
If she thinks being 'old-fashioned' gives her an excuse to avoid asking the hard questions, she's flat out wrong. If she thinks that having given a lot of speeches and conducting group therapy makes her a Battered Woman Assessment EXPERT, she needs to think again. And if she believes that her opinion is gospel, she is sadly mistaken.
One thing is certain. This woman needs to pack up and go home. I don't know what her time in Phoenix has cost her (assuming she paid for all her and her friends' expenses), but I do know that AZ taxpayers are poorer for having had her sit on the stand and spew BS for two weeks. I think she's going to have a hard time convincing anyone who knows about this trial that she is an expert at anything.
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Re: 3-25-13 ~ 4/15/2013 -Jodi Arias trial:32-yo accused of shooting her lover,Travis Alexander,in the face, stabbing him 29 times, & slitting his throat from ear to ear. DP is on the table. Arias claiming self defense/ Thread #5
by Lilone Thu Apr 11, 2013 9:17 pm
BJ, she's also wearing a Superman shirt. I wonder what her underwear looked like?
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by Nama Thu Apr 11, 2013 9:26 pm
Lilone, you should go to Amazon.com, search for her books and read the comments left in the last week or so. People do NOT like her. I bet she wishes she'd turned this case down!
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Re: 3-25-13 ~ 4/15/2013 -Jodi Arias trial:32-yo accused of shooting her lover,Travis Alexander,in the face, stabbing him 29 times, & slitting his throat from ear to ear. DP is on the table. Arias claiming self defense/ Thread #5
by Lilone Thu Apr 11, 2013 9:58 pm
I wish she had turned it down too. I'm gonna write about her in my book... 
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Re: 3-25-13 ~ 4/15/2013 -Jodi Arias trial:32-yo accused of shooting her lover,Travis Alexander,in the face, stabbing him 29 times, & slitting his throat from ear to ear. DP is on the table. Arias claiming self defense/ Thread #5
by Wrapitup Thu Apr 11, 2013 10:12 pm
Here are today's questions...
Here is a list of the majority of juror questions. These were collected by WildAboutTrial
1. Did you read entries from before Travis’s and Jodi’s relationship?
2. If you read earlier entries, would it have given you a better picture of Jodi Arias?
3. What did you learn about Travis?
4. Do you think Jodi Arias could have lied to you to help her case?
5. Could Jodi Arias have exaggerated to help her case?
6. Is it possible friends and family may have embellished in an effort to help her?
7. What did you discover about Travis when looking at email, text, and IMs to other women?
8. Is it common for women in abusive relationships to snap and commit violent acts towards long-standing perpetrators?
9. Is it possible for the survivor to be the perpetrator?
10. We have heard that Jodi kicked her mother, called her sister stupic, etc. , So would this characterize Jodi Arias as an abuser?
11. Why would a perpetrator be abusive in one relationship, but not another?
12. Have you ever seen situations where victims kills their partners because they see no other way out?
13. Is it conceivable that a woman can kill her partner just to get away from the abuse? Is it possible that Travis and Jodi were in this type of relationship?
14. If Jodi slapped and kicked her mother in the past could she be seen as a perpetrator?
15. Do you feel it’s possible Jodi could be exaggerating abuse events?
16. How does it affect your assessment when you do not have the full story from both individuals?
17. In your opinion, is it possible that Jodi could have also been a perpetrator in her relationship with Travis?
18. Is it possible Jodi could be guilty of psychological abuse towards Travis?
19. Could any of Travis’s actions be considered defensive, rather than abusive?
20. Can two children facing identical abuse situations end up handling them differently as they become adults?
21. Does it concern you at all that you can’t get a full and complete story from Travis?
22. How quickly can abuse escalate from the first time two people meet?
23. Prior to Lisa Andrews and Joi, do you know who Travis’s girlfriend was? Can you describe this relationship?
24. It has been proven Jodi has lied multiple times since killing Travis, how are you able to know everything she is saying is truthful?
25. Did you ever see any proof that Travis physically abused Jodi?
26. Isn’t is possible that Jodi did not write some things in her journal because they never happened?
27. Have any of your patients ever killed their partner?
28. Are you able to confirm Jodi ever abused Travis?
29. Would you classify Travis’s and Jodi’s relationship as a love/hate relationship?
30. Is the violence level of Jodi’s response to neutralize the threat consistent with what a victim of abuse would do?
31. Other than Jodi’s word, what evidence do you have she received Spiderman undies or the pink tshirt from Travis?
32. Has Jodi continued to write in her journal after June 4, 2008?
33. Pleae provide the time frame when you worked with Jodi.
34. Regarding the argument in the car, you stated Travis slapped her across the face. Is that exactly what Jodi told you?
35. Please state how confident you are that Jodi did not lie to you?
36. Can you describe the connection between Travis’s childhood and his behavior?
37. Are you aware if any ex girlfriends of Travis said he was physically abusiveto them?
38. If Jodi was that upset at what Travis was saying to her in text messages, why didn’t she stop talking to him?
39. Other than Jodi, did you interview anyone else face to face?
40. Are you aware Jodi’s grandparents house was broken into two days after the IM session?
41. Wasn’t it a known fact that Travis was trying to find someone he could marry?
42. Have any of the women who Travis had a relationship with said that he abused them psychologically, verbally, or physically?
43. Did anyone ever mention concern or suspicion of abuse regarding Travis or Jodi during interviews with other people?
44. Please define the word “survivor”.
45. Could a survivor also be a perpetrator?
46. Could a female abuse, batter, or terrorize a man to the point of killing him?
47. You claim that Jodi not getting medical attention for her finger is consistent with other battered women. What would prevent the battered person from getting medical attention and lying about the cause of it?
48. If the name calling was only between Jodi and Travis, wouldn’t this just be name calling and not character assassination?
49. How do you validate the information presented to you without talking to both parties in this relationship?
50. Wouldn’t you say it’s reasonable that Travis might get irritated that he couldn’t leave a voice mail for a week while Jodi’s mailbox was full?
51. Is it possible your view of men in general is skewed or biased towards them being abusive?
52. Did you real all of Jodi’s and Travis’s journals or just the portions provided to you?
53. Do you believe it was possible that Travis said some of the negative things towards Jodi because she was stalking him and he wanted to distance himself from her?
54. Did Travis speak negatively in his journals bout any of the women he was seeing?
55. In the magazines you sent Jodi in jail, she wrote hidden messages in some of them. Were those hidden messages for you?
56. Jodi’s old friend said she liked to play the victim. Even though that was in high school, is it possible those traits stayed with her?
57. Is there any reason we should believe Jodi has not manipulated you as she has others?
58. Why have you looked at Jodi multiple times during the cross to meet eyes with her and give her a smile?
59. Do you have personal feelings for Jodi or feel sorry for her?
60. You looked at Jodi, gave a half smile and shrugged your shoulders when Mr. Martinez was marking evidence. Why did you do this?
61. Why would you believe the things Jodi told you happened before the killing?
62. Hypothetically, if you were to discover Jodi exaggerated rather than understated the abuse would you have a different opinion?
63. When assessing this case, to which did you more weight: written or verbal communication?
64. Do you feel that being able to interview Travis gives Jodi an unfair advantage in telling their shared story of abuse?
65. Are you aware of phone conversations made before, during, or after the texts and IMs you reviewed?
66. Did you ask Jodi if phone calls were ever part of those exchanges?
67. Of the 18 forensic cases, how many were cases where a male was the victim of abuse and not the perpetrator?
68. You pursued family of origin for Travis, why didn’t you pursue Jodi’s?
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Here is a list of the majority of juror questions. These were collected by WildAboutTrial
1. Did you read entries from before Travis’s and Jodi’s relationship?
2. If you read earlier entries, would it have given you a better picture of Jodi Arias?
3. What did you learn about Travis?
4. Do you think Jodi Arias could have lied to you to help her case?
5. Could Jodi Arias have exaggerated to help her case?
6. Is it possible friends and family may have embellished in an effort to help her?
7. What did you discover about Travis when looking at email, text, and IMs to other women?
8. Is it common for women in abusive relationships to snap and commit violent acts towards long-standing perpetrators?
9. Is it possible for the survivor to be the perpetrator?
10. We have heard that Jodi kicked her mother, called her sister stupic, etc. , So would this characterize Jodi Arias as an abuser?
11. Why would a perpetrator be abusive in one relationship, but not another?
12. Have you ever seen situations where victims kills their partners because they see no other way out?
13. Is it conceivable that a woman can kill her partner just to get away from the abuse? Is it possible that Travis and Jodi were in this type of relationship?
14. If Jodi slapped and kicked her mother in the past could she be seen as a perpetrator?
15. Do you feel it’s possible Jodi could be exaggerating abuse events?
16. How does it affect your assessment when you do not have the full story from both individuals?
17. In your opinion, is it possible that Jodi could have also been a perpetrator in her relationship with Travis?
18. Is it possible Jodi could be guilty of psychological abuse towards Travis?
19. Could any of Travis’s actions be considered defensive, rather than abusive?
20. Can two children facing identical abuse situations end up handling them differently as they become adults?
21. Does it concern you at all that you can’t get a full and complete story from Travis?
22. How quickly can abuse escalate from the first time two people meet?
23. Prior to Lisa Andrews and Joi, do you know who Travis’s girlfriend was? Can you describe this relationship?
24. It has been proven Jodi has lied multiple times since killing Travis, how are you able to know everything she is saying is truthful?
25. Did you ever see any proof that Travis physically abused Jodi?
26. Isn’t is possible that Jodi did not write some things in her journal because they never happened?
27. Have any of your patients ever killed their partner?
28. Are you able to confirm Jodi ever abused Travis?
29. Would you classify Travis’s and Jodi’s relationship as a love/hate relationship?
30. Is the violence level of Jodi’s response to neutralize the threat consistent with what a victim of abuse would do?
31. Other than Jodi’s word, what evidence do you have she received Spiderman undies or the pink tshirt from Travis?
32. Has Jodi continued to write in her journal after June 4, 2008?
33. Pleae provide the time frame when you worked with Jodi.
34. Regarding the argument in the car, you stated Travis slapped her across the face. Is that exactly what Jodi told you?
35. Please state how confident you are that Jodi did not lie to you?
36. Can you describe the connection between Travis’s childhood and his behavior?
37. Are you aware if any ex girlfriends of Travis said he was physically abusiveto them?
38. If Jodi was that upset at what Travis was saying to her in text messages, why didn’t she stop talking to him?
39. Other than Jodi, did you interview anyone else face to face?
40. Are you aware Jodi’s grandparents house was broken into two days after the IM session?
41. Wasn’t it a known fact that Travis was trying to find someone he could marry?
42. Have any of the women who Travis had a relationship with said that he abused them psychologically, verbally, or physically?
43. Did anyone ever mention concern or suspicion of abuse regarding Travis or Jodi during interviews with other people?
44. Please define the word “survivor”.
45. Could a survivor also be a perpetrator?
46. Could a female abuse, batter, or terrorize a man to the point of killing him?
47. You claim that Jodi not getting medical attention for her finger is consistent with other battered women. What would prevent the battered person from getting medical attention and lying about the cause of it?
48. If the name calling was only between Jodi and Travis, wouldn’t this just be name calling and not character assassination?
49. How do you validate the information presented to you without talking to both parties in this relationship?
50. Wouldn’t you say it’s reasonable that Travis might get irritated that he couldn’t leave a voice mail for a week while Jodi’s mailbox was full?
51. Is it possible your view of men in general is skewed or biased towards them being abusive?
52. Did you real all of Jodi’s and Travis’s journals or just the portions provided to you?
53. Do you believe it was possible that Travis said some of the negative things towards Jodi because she was stalking him and he wanted to distance himself from her?
54. Did Travis speak negatively in his journals bout any of the women he was seeing?
55. In the magazines you sent Jodi in jail, she wrote hidden messages in some of them. Were those hidden messages for you?
56. Jodi’s old friend said she liked to play the victim. Even though that was in high school, is it possible those traits stayed with her?
57. Is there any reason we should believe Jodi has not manipulated you as she has others?
58. Why have you looked at Jodi multiple times during the cross to meet eyes with her and give her a smile?
59. Do you have personal feelings for Jodi or feel sorry for her?
60. You looked at Jodi, gave a half smile and shrugged your shoulders when Mr. Martinez was marking evidence. Why did you do this?
61. Why would you believe the things Jodi told you happened before the killing?
62. Hypothetically, if you were to discover Jodi exaggerated rather than understated the abuse would you have a different opinion?
63. When assessing this case, to which did you more weight: written or verbal communication?
64. Do you feel that being able to interview Travis gives Jodi an unfair advantage in telling their shared story of abuse?
65. Are you aware of phone conversations made before, during, or after the texts and IMs you reviewed?
66. Did you ask Jodi if phone calls were ever part of those exchanges?
67. Of the 18 forensic cases, how many were cases where a male was the victim of abuse and not the perpetrator?
68. You pursued family of origin for Travis, why didn’t you pursue Jodi’s?
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by Nama Thu Apr 11, 2013 10:12 pm
And I'm going to buy it.....remember?Lilone wrote:I wish she had turned it down too. I'm gonna write about her in my book...
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by Lilone Thu Apr 11, 2013 10:18 pm
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I see a pattern here...!
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by Wrapitup Thu Apr 11, 2013 10:18 pm
Only Idiots think Jodi Arias is Innocent
For the love of almighty God, I can't take it anymore. These people in and out of the courtroom saying "if she was stalking him, then why was he still seeing her??" Then they turn around and believe she was abused!! Umm, well, if she was abused why was she swinging from the chandelier at 2am doing backbends and the splits and begging for him to give her a "facial"? Why did she drive 1000 miles to see him? It works both ways morons! And if you need evidence of which one had the capability for violence....all I have to say is look at the crime scene photos for the answer.
For the love of almighty God, I can't take it anymore. These people in and out of the courtroom saying "if she was stalking him, then why was he still seeing her??" Then they turn around and believe she was abused!! Umm, well, if she was abused why was she swinging from the chandelier at 2am doing backbends and the splits and begging for him to give her a "facial"? Why did she drive 1000 miles to see him? It works both ways morons! And if you need evidence of which one had the capability for violence....all I have to say is look at the crime scene photos for the answer.
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by Wrapitup Thu Apr 11, 2013 10:19 pm
Lilone wrote:I kind of liked the jury's questions. I thought they were more to the point than many of the lawyers' questions. My favorite was this one:
-Do you think it is possible for Jodi to have manipulated you as she did others?
Of course, when asked about whether she believes that men are more abusive than women, she started rambling on about how she knows many men who are wonderful and non-abusive. She never commented, however, on her own personal, intimate, sexual relationships. We know she was once married to a man and has children, but this husband was not included in her long list of non-abusive men.
Using ALV's own methods of assessment, I have read many writings, I have seen many examples and I think there is reason to believe that:
ALV is NOT an expert, she IS argumentative and she has chosen to lead an "alternative lifestyle". Some may see it as deviant... Let me explain why I think this way.
She rambled on and on about the price of tea in China, but couldn't remember enough about the case to give intelligent answers to the prosecutor's questions.
She argued about the definitions of words such as 'manipulate' and even challenged Noah Webster's command of the English language.
She confronted and told him, in her own words, that the prosecutor was being verbally abusive to her. With that same mouth, she told on him so the judge would instruct him to speak nicely to her.
She said, under oath and in her own words, that she wasn't looking or smiling at Jodi, but at her 'friends' in the front row.
Considering that 90% of all communication is non-verbal, I submit that it is, by a preponderance of the evidence, apparent to me that she has a 'girlfriend'.
The short-cropped hairdo, the wedding band and the female entourage are all evidence that she fits the stereotype. I would "read" this evidence as saying to me that she has most likely had at least one abusive hetero-sexual relationship, most likely with her ex-husband and possibly others. This non-verbal evidence thereby provides an explanation for her female 'friend' who escorts her arm-in-arm to and from court every day.
And she does appear, by her own verbage, to hate men... except for her wonderful father and son.
STEREOTYPES MAY OR MAY NOT REFLECT REALITY. I'M JUST SAYIN'... She has a way of using sterotypical descriptions to support her own theories about Travis Alexander & the DV alleged by the defendant, and I reserve the right to use them to support my own theories.
There is probably no one more glad for her to be off the stand than she, ALV herself. She must be covered in emotional bruises for the emotional beating she has taken in the past week, all at the hands of a male prosecutor. She could benefit from the council of a good "DV/Battered Woman" Expert.
If she thinks being 'old-fashioned' gives her an excuse to avoid asking the hard questions, she's flat out wrong. If she thinks that having given a lot of speeches and conducting group therapy makes her a Battered Woman Assessment EXPERT, she needs to think again. And if she believes that her opinion is gospel, she is sadly mistaken.
One thing is certain. This woman needs to pack up and go home. I don't know what her time in Phoenix has cost her (assuming she paid for all her and her friends' expenses), but I do know that AZ taxpayers are poorer for having had her sit on the stand and spew BS for two weeks. I think she's going to have a hard time convincing anyone who knows about this trial that she is an expert at anything.
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by Lilone Thu Apr 11, 2013 10:20 pm
Question #10 - We heard that Jodi beat her little brother with a baseball bat. Does that make her an abuser?
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by Wrapitup Thu Apr 11, 2013 10:25 pm
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We have the honor of having Boot Hill Lofts, retired Policeman, Sargeant, Detective, Investigator plus private body guard as a fan on our page. He has been joining us in answering questions and/or his 'thought for the day' commentary. Here is today's!
" Thought For The Day " Did Jodi Arius shoot Travis Alexander in the closet or the bathroom. MY, my people, we now have two shooting locations, testified to under oath. Is either one to be believed, or is there a third and more probable scenario, for the shot to the head?
Instead of what we have heard in the trial, let us use common sense, before we tell the Prosecutor, the Police theory. First understand that an Investigator, with good common sense, is the better Investigator. How the scene is analyzed and then presented, must have a faster.
The second reason. Travis's house was still a crime scene when Jodi was arrested. Because of Jodi's ninja version, they checked for gunpowder residue and found none, including in the closet. If the gun was fired in the closet, the gun powder residue, would have stayed on Travis's clothes. It did not.
The bathroom, yes the bathroom. First and the most important clue; the shell casing was found there. Investigators, do not believe Jodi's version of the shooting. However, they do believe Travis was shot in the bathroom. The shell casing, was ejected to the right, not left, unlike Jodi's version, however the casing landed in congealed blood, which is very sticky, almost glue like. The casing is pristine, except for the blood stuck underneath, when it hit the ground. Had it hit the tile, it could have bounced into another house [exaggeration ] but, you get what I am saying. Pristine, means it had no blood or fibre evidence on it, except for when it hit the blood and stopped instantly.
A combination of tests, re-enactments, common sense and the Medical Examiner, have the shooting in the bathroom, while Travis, is already dead from the knife wounds. It is the only clear and logical conclusion an Investigator could arrive at. The reason for the shot: I stated once before, only two plausible reasons exist.
1. The Coup' de Gras', the end. Jodi loves Mafia stories and her favourite TV show is the Sopranos. The mob, when they kill someone, they may beat them, stab them, club them, drown them, set them on fire or, just shoot them 10 times. However, in all cases, no matter what they do, they always put a bullet in the brain at the end. The Coup' de Gras" It is traditional and carries meaning. " THE END "
2. After Jodi kills Travis and stuffs his body back into the shower, she starts to clean up, including standing over Travis's dead body, to shower. She may have used the plastic cup, found under his body at first, but I doubt it. I believe, that was his toothbrush cup. Besides, you are in the shower and both of you are satuturated in blood. Do you use a small cup which would take forever and still miss lots, or would you use the shower, that is faster and more reliable for getting rid of blood and other DNA evidence.
However, we have strayed. With Travis dead and in the shower, Jodi, starts to cover her tracks. While doing so, Travis's dead body, either or, made a noise, moved or convulsed, Heck, he could have sat almost upright. I dobt Jodi has killed someone before and this would have startled her and scared her. She then shoots Travis, without thinking in the head, to make sure he is dead. They can both be proven as possible reasons. Myself, I believe in the Coup' de Gras'. With my knowledge of Jodi, this fits with her psyche'.
Both scenarios would have Jodi standing away from the body and aiming, probably for between the eyes. She is just a bad shot!
about an hour ago ·
We have the honor of having Boot Hill Lofts, retired Policeman, Sargeant, Detective, Investigator plus private body guard as a fan on our page. He has been joining us in answering questions and/or his 'thought for the day' commentary. Here is today's!
" Thought For The Day " Did Jodi Arius shoot Travis Alexander in the closet or the bathroom. MY, my people, we now have two shooting locations, testified to under oath. Is either one to be believed, or is there a third and more probable scenario, for the shot to the head?
Instead of what we have heard in the trial, let us use common sense, before we tell the Prosecutor, the Police theory. First understand that an Investigator, with good common sense, is the better Investigator. How the scene is analyzed and then presented, must have a faster.
The second reason. Travis's house was still a crime scene when Jodi was arrested. Because of Jodi's ninja version, they checked for gunpowder residue and found none, including in the closet. If the gun was fired in the closet, the gun powder residue, would have stayed on Travis's clothes. It did not.
The bathroom, yes the bathroom. First and the most important clue; the shell casing was found there. Investigators, do not believe Jodi's version of the shooting. However, they do believe Travis was shot in the bathroom. The shell casing, was ejected to the right, not left, unlike Jodi's version, however the casing landed in congealed blood, which is very sticky, almost glue like. The casing is pristine, except for the blood stuck underneath, when it hit the ground. Had it hit the tile, it could have bounced into another house [exaggeration ] but, you get what I am saying. Pristine, means it had no blood or fibre evidence on it, except for when it hit the blood and stopped instantly.
A combination of tests, re-enactments, common sense and the Medical Examiner, have the shooting in the bathroom, while Travis, is already dead from the knife wounds. It is the only clear and logical conclusion an Investigator could arrive at. The reason for the shot: I stated once before, only two plausible reasons exist.
1. The Coup' de Gras', the end. Jodi loves Mafia stories and her favourite TV show is the Sopranos. The mob, when they kill someone, they may beat them, stab them, club them, drown them, set them on fire or, just shoot them 10 times. However, in all cases, no matter what they do, they always put a bullet in the brain at the end. The Coup' de Gras" It is traditional and carries meaning. " THE END "
2. After Jodi kills Travis and stuffs his body back into the shower, she starts to clean up, including standing over Travis's dead body, to shower. She may have used the plastic cup, found under his body at first, but I doubt it. I believe, that was his toothbrush cup. Besides, you are in the shower and both of you are satuturated in blood. Do you use a small cup which would take forever and still miss lots, or would you use the shower, that is faster and more reliable for getting rid of blood and other DNA evidence.
However, we have strayed. With Travis dead and in the shower, Jodi, starts to cover her tracks. While doing so, Travis's dead body, either or, made a noise, moved or convulsed, Heck, he could have sat almost upright. I dobt Jodi has killed someone before and this would have startled her and scared her. She then shoots Travis, without thinking in the head, to make sure he is dead. They can both be proven as possible reasons. Myself, I believe in the Coup' de Gras'. With my knowledge of Jodi, this fits with her psyche'.
Both scenarios would have Jodi standing away from the body and aiming, probably for between the eyes. She is just a bad shot!
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by samgoodwin Thu Apr 11, 2013 11:27 pm
Like Mark Eiglarsh said tonight on Dr. Drew, (paraphrasing) she killed a man, tweeting during her trial is just not as bad - it just proves she's an idiot.
I sort of hope she gets in more trouble with the judge though for having her "friend" run a website and tweets for her. Especially the way she is bad mouthing the prosecutor.
I sort of hope she gets in more trouble with the judge though for having her "friend" run a website and tweets for her. Especially the way she is bad mouthing the prosecutor.
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I bet she will be giving those away free after the trial. :crystal ball:Lilone wrote:
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Just as she promised, Eileen Dimminger has typed up all the answers to the juror questions from today. So, here are the questions *and* answers. I'll see everyone here tomorrow morning at 9:30am AZ time. Yay for Friday court now!
Q & A - Laviolette 4/11:
1. Did you read entries from before Travis’s and Jodi’s relationship?
No, I didn’t…I had limited information from 2006-2008.
2. If you read earlier entries, would it have given you a better picture of Jodi Arias?
I read a lot of info from her family and boyfriends prior to that so I got a pretty good picture of JA. I saw the 7 hours from 48hrs but other than that-one e-mail from the sister.
3. What did you learn about Travis? I learned from reading what he wrote in a book and some of his blog. He was a motivational speaker, good at knowing his scriptures, from as abusive childhood, survival as a child was tough, he was made fun of (for not bathing) he had verbal and physical abuse and was neglected, attractive to women, the Hughes (friends for 5 years) were concerned about how he treated women, his anger from his own words and how he talked to women in private.
4. Do you think Jodi Arias could have lied to you to help her case? When I first met Ms. A she was very protective of Mr. A. She had a hard time looking at herself as a battered woman (as it takes 2 to tango). Then in reading from men who lived with her none described her as a liar. She kept things from her parents…typical of a teenager…lying is not unusual- The Arch Bishop lied, Lance Armstrong lied, Bill Clinton lied…about image…a lot of us lie about stuff less serious than killing someone.
5. Could Jodi Arias have exaggerated to help her case? She tended to minimize.
6. Is it possible friends and family may have embellished in an effort to help her? I guess, except that friends and family didn’t seem to go overboard. I read Mr. A.’s words directed at her, the disrespect…looked at the escalation process. They didn’t say ‘Gee, she’s this wonderful person.’
7. What did you discover about Travis when looking at email, text, and IMs to other women?’ Tend to push sexual limits, pushed PPL on them. He was very good with women but also irritated women- was pushy. He knew how to play them effectively. He shared his faith- insinuated his way into their confidence. He empathized with them, one husband didn’t let her have friends…he said ‘go to the Bishop.’ Another’s ex-husband was verbally and physically abusive and addicted to porn…he empathized.
8. Is it common for women in abusive relationships to snap and commit violent acts towards long-standing perpetrators? “…In a self-defense kind of situation not easy to answer with Yes or No// (// means Martinez objects and the Judge goes on to the next question).
9. Is it possible for the survivor to be the perpetrator? It’s very possible for somebody to lash back. Michael Johnson calls it ‘violent resistance’ – yelling or hitting back. Most of the time violent resistance is an explosion of yelling and screaming. It could be physical or violent. Haven’t seen it (with women) much without a weapon.
10. We have heard that Jodi kicked her mother, called her sister stupid, etc. , So would this characterize Jodi Arias as an abuser? I believe that happened when (she) was a teenager- an angry teen. Calling her sister stupid is not uncommon. Kicking and hitting her Mom, I don’t approve -teens do a lot of things not good to do. Anger with her Mom was part of her history. There’s no evidence of physical violence with her Mom as an adult.
11. Why would a perpetrator be abusive in one relationship, but not another? I believe that happened when (she) was a teenager- an angry teen. Calling her sister stupid is not uncommon. Kicking and hitting her Mom, I don’t approve -teens do a lot of things not good to do. Anger with her Mom was part of her history. There’s no evidence of physical violence with her Mom as an adult.
12. Have you ever seen situations where victims kill their partners because they see no other way out? Depends on the level of intensity. Travis’ relationships were not long-term, it takes time; it’s a progression, it doesn’t happen right away. Lisa felt disrespected in a short relationship- they broke up 3 times. Others didn’t like how he talked…via the internet. It’s not difficult to be non-aggressive with someone not spending time with you…from folks I’ve worked with relationships were intimate the person they are most committed to gets the most abuse.
13. Is it conceivable that a woman can kill her partner just to get away from the abuse? I worked on one case where that was true. It is conceivable but it is rare. Is it possible that Travis and Jodi were in this type of relationship? It doesn’t appear to me- there’s no evidence of it…no evidence it’s true. Travis is the one escalating and being aggressive and in her prior 2 relationships there’s no evidence she was violent, aggressive or jealous. Could there have been abuse on both sides? Generally with DV it doesn’t stay at that level and the latest research is over time the male gets more violent.
14. If Jodi slapped and kicked her mother in the past could she be seen as a perpetrator? She could be seen as aggressive when she kicked and hit her mother in the past. I look at power differences//
15. Do you feel it’s possible Jodi could be exaggerating abuse events? I think anything’s possible when I look at the kind of escalation with Travis and listen to friends it’s very difficult for me to believe that.
16. How does it affect your assessment when you do not have the full story from both individuals? Often murder cases don’t have the story there’s no access to the other side. You gather the info you can-I read boxes of info…and get as much as I can from both sides so I’m not biased.
17. In your opinion, is it possible that Jodi could have also been a perpetrator in her relationship with Travis? I don’t see any evidence of that.
18. Is it possible Jodi could be guilty of psychological abuse towards Travis? Anything’s possible, just no evidence of it. I looked at prior (longer) relationships and neither Brewer (4 years) nor Matt (2 years) indicated she was abusive, controlling, jealous or manipulative. And she remained friends with them.
19. Could any of Travis’s actions be considered defensive, rather than abusive? Any of us can get angry or upset, the difference is the kind of tirades- beyond defensive to the extreme.
20. Can two children facing identical abuse situations end up handling them differently as they become adults? Sure- when you grow up in your family it’s not just what’s dealt but how you see it’s dealt. Siblings can see things differently. You can find someone you can count on- Uncle, Grandfather, you can change. Some blame their self or the parent. Community can help- church, scouts, sports teams-positive things can have an impact. However, the brain’s learning level from (age) 0-6 is exponential. People with really negative things in family of origin need some counseling.
21. Does it concern you at all that you can’t get a full and complete story from Travis? Yes, I wish I could…I can only take what I got from friends, women, his writing. I got as complete a story as I could get.
22. How quickly can abuse escalate from the first time two people meet? It’s very different. Usually there’s a period of time where it’s not happening…it varies…everyone’s different. Once it escalates there’s a //
23. Prior to Lisa Andrews and Jodi, do you know who Travis’s girlfriend was? Can you describe this relationship? (I missed some due to link going down) something about the best years of her life…loaned him money, not sure he ever paid back.
24. It has been proven Jodi has lied multiple times since killing Travis, how are you able to know everything she is saying is truthful? I don’t…I got collateral evidence…I believe she’s telling me the truth about most things. Because she lied after the killing doesn’t make her a liar. She was a frightened human being – it doesn’t make her a liar. (As far as) her character before this event- I didn’t hear she was a liar from anyone.
25. Did you ever see any proof that Travis physically abused Jodi? The only thing I saw was a broken finger.
26. Isn’t it possible that Jodi did not write some things in her journal because they never happened? It’s possible although Travis didn’t rite in his journal//
27. Have any of your patients ever killed their partner? Yes.
28. Are you able to confirm Jodi ever abused Travis? No evidence of it, and her relationships with other men, or any exchanges between the two of them. It’s possible but there’s no evidence to support it.
29. Would you classify Travis’s and Jodi’s relationship as a love/hate relationship? I would classify it as an abusive relationship.
30. Is the violence level of Jodi’s response to neutralize the threat consistent with what a victim of abuse would do? Part of a conversation- she told him she’d bring them.
31. Other than Jodi’s word, what evidence do you have she received Spiderman undies or the pink tshirt from Travis? (I missed)
32. Has Jodi continued to write in her journal after June 4, 2008? I haven’t seen any after June 4th. I don’t know.
33. Please provide the time frame when you worked with Jodi. I spent 44 hours in the jail with Jodi (Judge asks ‘dates?” ) First visit- October 2011-2 days, then within 3-4…don’t know exactly. Four to five different visits, 8-6 hours, 6-7 hours, 3-4 hours. Spread out.
34. Regarding the argument in the car, you stated Travis slapped her across the face. Is that exactly what Jodi told you? No it isn’t exactly what she told me- the jaw I think of as the face//
35. Please state how confident you are that Jodi did not lie to you? That she did not lie to me about what? Like ever? I don’t believe she lied to me about significant things…it’s possible.
36. Can you describe the connection between Travis’s childhood and his behavior? Yeah it’s not vague at all. The most significant factor in abusive relationship is the worst child abuse equals the difficulty in having a non-abusive relationship and Travis’s childhood was incredibly abusive. His Dan kicked the door in, threw him across the room, there was no food, Mom slept for days and Dad wasn’t around. They abused each other. (Travis) ate moldy bread. When exposed to this you learn combat survival-hyper-vigilance. There’s a direct link between what you’re exposed to and how you handle it. Especially with no intervention.
37. Are you aware if any ex girlfriends of Travis said he was physically abusive to them? There were no ex’s who said Travis was physically abusive.
38. If Jodi was that upset at what Travis was saying to her in text messages, why didn’t she stop talking to him?
39. Other than Jodi, did you interview anyone else face to face? No I did not.
40. Are you aware Jodi’s grandparents house was broken into two days after the IM session? Yes, I’m aware the Grandparent’s house was broken into.
41. Wasn’t it a known fact that Travis was trying to find someone he could marry? It was a known fact. I just…the conversations would not lead you to believe he was trying to woo somebody- sexual from the beginning.
42. Have any of the women who Travis had a relationship with said that he abused them psychologically, verbally, or physically? Lisa-in putting her down, not respecting her values, said being a teacher would suck. Another girl complained…Nicole- Travis told her no one would date her. It’s important to me//
43. Did anyone ever mention concern or suspicion of abuse regarding Travis or Jodi during interviews with other people? Matt mentioned he believed she was verbally abused and maybe physically abused.
44. Please define the word “survivor”. We used to use ‘victim’, survivor is more positive and sounds better.
45. Could a survivor also be a perpetrator? Yes…with violent resistance they can lash out. The dominant aggressor who is the primary offender has the most power.
46. Could a female abuse, batter, or terrorize a man to the point of killing him? Yes, women can be perpetrators. The percentage …in surveys, ER rooms, crime reports//
47. You claim that Jodi not getting medical attention for her finger is consistent with other battered women. What would prevent the battered person from getting medical attention and lying about the cause of it? There are people who get medical attention and lie about the cause.
48. If the name-calling was only between Jodi and Travis, wouldn’t this just be name calling and not character assassination? No, character assassination doesn’t have to be in the presence of others and usually doesn’t. It tears apart who you are and is worse because you love that person.
49. How do you validate the information presented to you without talking to both parties in this relationship? By using collaborative data. Looking at different things- like he wrote ‘I don’t like whores’//
50. Wouldn’t you say it’s reasonable that Travis might get irritated that he couldn’t leave a voice mail for a week while Jodi’s mailbox was full? Well he said ‘empty it out’ without ‘please- that’s how I read it.
51. Is it possible your view of men in general is skewed or biased towards them being abusive? Actually I have a lot of male friends, family and a son. No…they are not abusive. I have worked with male co-facilitators one with for 20 years. (She goes on & on about men she’s worked with, her Dad, brothers…etc.)
52. Did you real all of Jodi’s and Travis’s journals or just the portions provided to you? I only read portions- what was provided.
53. Do you believe it was possible that Travis said some of the negative things towards Jodi because she was stalking him and he wanted to distance himself from her? No I don’t believe that.
54. Did Travis speak negatively in his journals bout any of the women he was seeing? No I don’t believe he said anything negative in his journals.
55. In the magazines you sent Jodi in jail, she wrote hidden messages in some of them. Were those hidden messages for you? I had no idea she had written hidden messages to anyone. And I didn’t receive any.
56. Jodi’s old friend said she liked to play the victim. Even though that was in high school, is it possible those traits stayed with her? I don’t have any evidence of that.
57. Is there any reason we should believe Jodi has not manipulated you as she has others? I’m not sure who you believe she’s manipulated. //
58. Why have you looked at Jodi multiple times during the cross to meet eyes with her and give her a smile? I have done on occasion just to acknowledge her. I looking at friends from school. I’ve tried to avoid looking at her. Let’s see…Maria’s in the front row, my father was here yestrerday…
59. Do you have personal feelings for Jodi or feel sorry for her? I have feelings…I have liked Jodi in terms of working with her. We haven’t had a relationship since the 44 hours I spent in jail. I’m clear on my own boundaries. If I thought it would get in my way I would step away from it.
60. You looked at Jodi, gave a half smile and shrugged your shoulders when Mr. Martinez was marking evidence. Why did you do this? Wow – I didn’t even know I was doing it. I don’t even remember…I don’t know what to say.
61. Why would you believe the things Jodi told you happened before the killing? I believe those things because of corroborating data. I wasn’t there during the physical incidents…much was corroborated with other sources.
62. Hypothetically, if you were to discover Jodi exaggerated rather than understated the abuse would you have a different opinion? I would certainly re-look at things because that would be important. Bur rage and escalation with Travis in his relationships and leading up to things; his childhood abuse- writes ‘I don’t like whores’// Not just what Jodi says, what Travis says and his behavior. You don’t have to be perfect to be a victim of abuse.
63. When assessing this case, to which did you more weight: written or verbal communication? Well, I had much more written so more weight to written. Interview with Jodi in jail- sometimes behind a screen I really couldn’t see clearly (the screen)- got inflection and tone in an uncomfortable environment. I relied more on written.
64. Do you feel that being able to interview Travis gives Jodi an unfair advantage in telling their shared story of abuse? I wish I could have interview Travis. I got part of my info from his close friends. The way people see him, his own words, childhood, interviews. I feel like I got a picture of Travis.
65. Are you aware of phone conversations made before, during, or after the texts and IMs you reviewed? I’m aware there were phone calls…and I get confused which is which…the sex tape was recorded. I don’t know if there were more recordings, I had texts, e-m’s etc.
66. Did you ask Jodi if phone calls were ever part of those exchanges? Yeah, follow up calls made I didn’t have dates on those.
67. Of the 18 forensic cases, how many were cases where a male was the victim of abuse and not the perpetrator? Of the forensic cases that I’ve done//there were at least 2and there as one where the father killed the son in law//
68. You pursued family of origin for Travis, why didn’t you pursue Jodi’s? I did assess Jodi’s family for abuse- her level of abuse was much lower than Travis’…same sex role modeling- women victims as opposed to perpetrators- I did not rule that out. Travis’ was far more violent.
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Just as she promised, Eileen Dimminger has typed up all the answers to the juror questions from today. So, here are the questions *and* answers. I'll see everyone here tomorrow morning at 9:30am AZ time. Yay for Friday court now!
Q & A - Laviolette 4/11:
1. Did you read entries from before Travis’s and Jodi’s relationship?
No, I didn’t…I had limited information from 2006-2008.
2. If you read earlier entries, would it have given you a better picture of Jodi Arias?
I read a lot of info from her family and boyfriends prior to that so I got a pretty good picture of JA. I saw the 7 hours from 48hrs but other than that-one e-mail from the sister.
3. What did you learn about Travis? I learned from reading what he wrote in a book and some of his blog. He was a motivational speaker, good at knowing his scriptures, from as abusive childhood, survival as a child was tough, he was made fun of (for not bathing) he had verbal and physical abuse and was neglected, attractive to women, the Hughes (friends for 5 years) were concerned about how he treated women, his anger from his own words and how he talked to women in private.
4. Do you think Jodi Arias could have lied to you to help her case? When I first met Ms. A she was very protective of Mr. A. She had a hard time looking at herself as a battered woman (as it takes 2 to tango). Then in reading from men who lived with her none described her as a liar. She kept things from her parents…typical of a teenager…lying is not unusual- The Arch Bishop lied, Lance Armstrong lied, Bill Clinton lied…about image…a lot of us lie about stuff less serious than killing someone.
5. Could Jodi Arias have exaggerated to help her case? She tended to minimize.
6. Is it possible friends and family may have embellished in an effort to help her? I guess, except that friends and family didn’t seem to go overboard. I read Mr. A.’s words directed at her, the disrespect…looked at the escalation process. They didn’t say ‘Gee, she’s this wonderful person.’
7. What did you discover about Travis when looking at email, text, and IMs to other women?’ Tend to push sexual limits, pushed PPL on them. He was very good with women but also irritated women- was pushy. He knew how to play them effectively. He shared his faith- insinuated his way into their confidence. He empathized with them, one husband didn’t let her have friends…he said ‘go to the Bishop.’ Another’s ex-husband was verbally and physically abusive and addicted to porn…he empathized.
8. Is it common for women in abusive relationships to snap and commit violent acts towards long-standing perpetrators? “…In a self-defense kind of situation
9. Is it possible for the survivor to be the perpetrator? It’s very possible for somebody to lash back. Michael Johnson calls it ‘violent resistance’ – yelling or hitting back. Most of the time violent resistance is an explosion of yelling and screaming. It could be physical or violent. Haven’t seen it (with women) much without a weapon.
10. We have heard that Jodi kicked her mother, called her sister stupid, etc. , So would this characterize Jodi Arias as an abuser? I believe that happened when (she) was a teenager- an angry teen. Calling her sister stupid is not uncommon. Kicking and hitting her Mom, I don’t approve -teens do a lot of things not good to do. Anger with her Mom was part of her history. There’s no evidence of physical violence with her Mom as an adult.
11. Why would a perpetrator be abusive in one relationship, but not another? I believe that happened when (she) was a teenager- an angry teen. Calling her sister stupid is not uncommon. Kicking and hitting her Mom, I don’t approve -teens do a lot of things not good to do. Anger with her Mom was part of her history. There’s no evidence of physical violence with her Mom as an adult.
12. Have you ever seen situations where victims kill their partners because they see no other way out? Depends on the level of intensity. Travis’ relationships were not long-term, it takes time; it’s a progression, it doesn’t happen right away. Lisa felt disrespected in a short relationship- they broke up 3 times. Others didn’t like how he talked…via the internet. It’s not difficult to be non-aggressive with someone not spending time with you…from folks I’ve worked with relationships were intimate the person they are most committed to gets the most abuse.
13. Is it conceivable that a woman can kill her partner just to get away from the abuse? I worked on one case where that was true. It is conceivable but it is rare. Is it possible that Travis and Jodi were in this type of relationship? It doesn’t appear to me- there’s no evidence of it…no evidence it’s true. Travis is the one escalating and being aggressive and in her prior 2 relationships there’s no evidence she was violent, aggressive or jealous. Could there have been abuse on both sides? Generally with DV it doesn’t stay at that level and the latest research is over time the male gets more violent.
14. If Jodi slapped and kicked her mother in the past could she be seen as a perpetrator? She could be seen as aggressive when she kicked and hit her mother in the past. I look at power differences//
15. Do you feel it’s possible Jodi could be exaggerating abuse events? I think anything’s possible when I look at the kind of escalation with Travis and listen to friends it’s very difficult for me to believe that.
16. How does it affect your assessment when you do not have the full story from both individuals? Often murder cases don’t have the story
17. In your opinion, is it possible that Jodi could have also been a perpetrator in her relationship with Travis? I don’t see any evidence of that.
18. Is it possible Jodi could be guilty of psychological abuse towards Travis? Anything’s possible, just no evidence of it. I looked at prior (longer) relationships and neither Brewer (4 years) nor Matt (2 years) indicated she was abusive, controlling, jealous or manipulative. And she remained friends with them.
19. Could any of Travis’s actions be considered defensive, rather than abusive? Any of us can get angry or upset, the difference is the kind of tirades- beyond defensive to the extreme.
20. Can two children facing identical abuse situations end up handling them differently as they become adults? Sure- when you grow up in your family it’s not just what’s dealt but how you see it’s dealt. Siblings can see things differently. You can find someone you can count on- Uncle, Grandfather, you can change. Some blame their self or the parent. Community can help- church, scouts, sports teams-positive things can have an impact. However, the brain’s learning level from (age) 0-6 is exponential. People with really negative things in family of origin need some counseling.
21. Does it concern you at all that you can’t get a full and complete story from Travis? Yes, I wish I could…I can only take what I got from friends, women, his writing. I got as complete a story as I could get.
22. How quickly can abuse escalate from the first time two people meet? It’s very different. Usually there’s a period of time where it’s not happening…it varies…everyone’s different. Once it escalates there’s a //
23. Prior to Lisa Andrews and Jodi, do you know who Travis’s girlfriend was? Can you describe this relationship? (I missed some due to link going down) something about the best years of her life…loaned him money, not sure he ever paid back.
24. It has been proven Jodi has lied multiple times since killing Travis, how are you able to know everything she is saying is truthful? I don’t…I got collateral evidence…I believe she’s telling me the truth about most things. Because she lied after the killing doesn’t make her a liar. She was a frightened human being – it doesn’t make her a liar. (As far as) her character before this event- I didn’t hear she was a liar from anyone.
25. Did you ever see any proof that Travis physically abused Jodi? The only thing I saw was a broken finger.
26. Isn’t it possible that Jodi did not write some things in her journal because they never happened? It’s possible although Travis didn’t rite in his journal//
27. Have any of your patients ever killed their partner? Yes.
28. Are you able to confirm Jodi ever abused Travis? No evidence of it, and her relationships with other men, or any exchanges between the two of them. It’s possible but there’s no evidence to support it.
29. Would you classify Travis’s and Jodi’s relationship as a love/hate relationship? I would classify it as an abusive relationship.
30. Is the violence level of Jodi’s response to neutralize the threat consistent with what a victim of abuse would do? Part of a conversation- she told him she’d bring them.
31. Other than Jodi’s word, what evidence do you have she received Spiderman undies or the pink tshirt from Travis? (I missed)
32. Has Jodi continued to write in her journal after June 4, 2008? I haven’t seen any after June 4th. I don’t know.
33. Please provide the time frame when you worked with Jodi. I spent 44 hours in the jail with Jodi (Judge asks ‘dates?” ) First visit- October 2011-2 days, then within 3-4…don’t know exactly. Four to five different visits, 8-6 hours, 6-7 hours, 3-4 hours. Spread out.
34. Regarding the argument in the car, you stated Travis slapped her across the face. Is that exactly what Jodi told you? No it isn’t exactly what she told me- the jaw I think of as the face//
35. Please state how confident you are that Jodi did not lie to you? That she did not lie to me about what? Like ever? I don’t believe she lied to me about significant things…it’s possible.
36. Can you describe the connection between Travis’s childhood and his behavior? Yeah it’s not vague at all. The most significant factor in abusive relationship is the worst child abuse equals the difficulty in having a non-abusive relationship and Travis’s childhood was incredibly abusive. His Dan kicked the door in, threw him across the room, there was no food, Mom slept for days and Dad wasn’t around. They abused each other. (Travis) ate moldy bread. When exposed to this you learn combat survival-hyper-vigilance. There’s a direct link between what you’re exposed to and how you handle it. Especially with no intervention.
37. Are you aware if any ex girlfriends of Travis said he was physically abusive to them? There were no ex’s who said Travis was physically abusive.
38. If Jodi was that upset at what Travis was saying to her in text messages, why didn’t she stop talking to him?
39. Other than Jodi, did you interview anyone else face to face? No I did not.
40. Are you aware Jodi’s grandparents house was broken into two days after the IM session? Yes, I’m aware the Grandparent’s house was broken into.
41. Wasn’t it a known fact that Travis was trying to find someone he could marry? It was a known fact. I just…the conversations would not lead you to believe he was trying to woo somebody- sexual from the beginning.
42. Have any of the women who Travis had a relationship with said that he abused them psychologically, verbally, or physically? Lisa-in putting her down, not respecting her values, said being a teacher would suck. Another girl complained…Nicole- Travis told her no one would date her. It’s important to me//
43. Did anyone ever mention concern or suspicion of abuse regarding Travis or Jodi during interviews with other people? Matt mentioned he believed she was verbally abused and maybe physically abused.
44. Please define the word “survivor”. We used to use ‘victim’, survivor is more positive and sounds better.
45. Could a survivor also be a perpetrator? Yes…with violent resistance they can lash out. The dominant aggressor who is the primary offender has the most power.
46. Could a female abuse, batter, or terrorize a man to the point of killing him? Yes, women can be perpetrators. The percentage …in surveys, ER rooms, crime reports//
47. You claim that Jodi not getting medical attention for her finger is consistent with other battered women. What would prevent the battered person from getting medical attention and lying about the cause of it? There are people who get medical attention and lie about the cause.
48. If the name-calling was only between Jodi and Travis, wouldn’t this just be name calling and not character assassination? No, character assassination doesn’t have to be in the presence of others and usually doesn’t. It tears apart who you are and is worse because you love that person.
49. How do you validate the information presented to you without talking to both parties in this relationship? By using collaborative data. Looking at different things- like he wrote ‘I don’t like whores’//
50. Wouldn’t you say it’s reasonable that Travis might get irritated that he couldn’t leave a voice mail for a week while Jodi’s mailbox was full? Well he said ‘empty it out’ without ‘please- that’s how I read it.
51. Is it possible your view of men in general is skewed or biased towards them being abusive? Actually I have a lot of male friends, family and a son. No…they are not abusive. I have worked with male co-facilitators one with for 20 years. (She goes on & on about men she’s worked with, her Dad, brothers…etc.)
52. Did you real all of Jodi’s and Travis’s journals or just the portions provided to you? I only read portions- what was provided.
53. Do you believe it was possible that Travis said some of the negative things towards Jodi because she was stalking him and he wanted to distance himself from her? No I don’t believe that.
54. Did Travis speak negatively in his journals bout any of the women he was seeing? No I don’t believe he said anything negative in his journals.
55. In the magazines you sent Jodi in jail, she wrote hidden messages in some of them. Were those hidden messages for you? I had no idea she had written hidden messages to anyone. And I didn’t receive any.
56. Jodi’s old friend said she liked to play the victim. Even though that was in high school, is it possible those traits stayed with her? I don’t have any evidence of that.
57. Is there any reason we should believe Jodi has not manipulated you as she has others? I’m not sure who you believe she’s manipulated. //
58. Why have you looked at Jodi multiple times during the cross to meet eyes with her and give her a smile? I have done on occasion just to acknowledge her. I looking at friends from school. I’ve tried to avoid looking at her. Let’s see…Maria’s in the front row, my father was here yestrerday…
59. Do you have personal feelings for Jodi or feel sorry for her? I have feelings…I have liked Jodi in terms of working with her. We haven’t had a relationship since the 44 hours I spent in jail. I’m clear on my own boundaries. If I thought it would get in my way I would step away from it.
60. You looked at Jodi, gave a half smile and shrugged your shoulders when Mr. Martinez was marking evidence. Why did you do this? Wow – I didn’t even know I was doing it. I don’t even remember…I don’t know what to say.
61. Why would you believe the things Jodi told you happened before the killing? I believe those things because of corroborating data. I wasn’t there during the physical incidents…much was corroborated with other sources.
62. Hypothetically, if you were to discover Jodi exaggerated rather than understated the abuse would you have a different opinion? I would certainly re-look at things because that would be important. Bur rage and escalation with Travis in his relationships and leading up to things; his childhood abuse- writes ‘I don’t like whores’// Not just what Jodi says, what Travis says and his behavior. You don’t have to be perfect to be a victim of abuse.
63. When assessing this case, to which did you more weight: written or verbal communication? Well, I had much more written so more weight to written. Interview with Jodi in jail- sometimes behind a screen I really couldn’t see clearly (the screen)- got inflection and tone in an uncomfortable environment. I relied more on written.
64. Do you feel that being able to interview Travis gives Jodi an unfair advantage in telling their shared story of abuse? I wish I could have interview Travis. I got part of my info from his close friends. The way people see him, his own words, childhood, interviews. I feel like I got a picture of Travis.
65. Are you aware of phone conversations made before, during, or after the texts and IMs you reviewed? I’m aware there were phone calls…and I get confused which is which…the sex tape was recorded. I don’t know if there were more recordings, I had texts, e-m’s etc.
66. Did you ask Jodi if phone calls were ever part of those exchanges? Yeah, follow up calls made I didn’t have dates on those.
67. Of the 18 forensic cases, how many were cases where a male was the victim of abuse and not the perpetrator? Of the forensic cases that I’ve done//there were at least 2and there as one where the father killed the son in law//
68. You pursued family of origin for Travis, why didn’t you pursue Jodi’s? I did assess Jodi’s family for abuse- her level of abuse was much lower than Travis’…same sex role modeling- women victims as opposed to perpetrators- I did not rule that out. Travis’ was far more violent.
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This was the clincher for me. He LOST his LIFE!! OMG!!!
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Basically, give Jodi what she wants or she'll "go public"! What a disgusting little witch!
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New court schedule and I am glad they're having court on Fridays' now...
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April 26 from 9-4...
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JOEY JACKSON ON EVENING EXPRESS YESTERDAY: (With Ryan Smith)
RYAN: "How does a jury take the testimony of an 'expert' witness that is clearly on the side of the defense?"
JOEY: "That's a problem for me and the reason it's a problem is because the whole issue about dehumanizing Travis Alexander and she's smirking his character and victimizing him anew, the jury could have significant questions about it!
If you're an expert and you're going to testify on whether or not there was abuse, whether or not he mistreated her, those issues I think you have to give an opinion but when you start getting into 'things he had to lose', and it seems as though you're 'taking sides', to me it becomes problematic.
So if a jury sees that she's taking sides, I know she's an expert for the defense, but there's a way to present things that perhaps could be more convincing than attempting to dehumanize Travis even further. To me, that's a problem!!"
JOEY JACKSON ON EVENING EXPRESS YESTERDAY: (With Ryan Smith)
RYAN: "How does a jury take the testimony of an 'expert' witness that is clearly on the side of the defense?"
JOEY: "That's a problem for me and the reason it's a problem is because the whole issue about dehumanizing Travis Alexander and she's smirking his character and victimizing him anew, the jury could have significant questions about it!
If you're an expert and you're going to testify on whether or not there was abuse, whether or not he mistreated her, those issues I think you have to give an opinion but when you start getting into 'things he had to lose', and it seems as though you're 'taking sides', to me it becomes problematic.
So if a jury sees that she's taking sides, I know she's an expert for the defense, but there's a way to present things that perhaps could be more convincing than attempting to dehumanize Travis even further. To me, that's a problem!!"
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The defense asked for an ex parte meeting with the judge. Arias and her attorneys are in chambers. Martinez and Flores are in court. #JodiArias
The defense asked for an ex parte meeting with the judge. Arias and her attorneys are in chambers. Martinez and Flores are in court. #JodiArias
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Is it possible that Travis' rants seem longer because they are viewed in text form? #JodiArias
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You stated that you have chosen to not take cases in the past because you did not believe the individual. Did you believe #JodiArias? Yes.
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Is your continuum incomplete? Why not list all apropriate bullet points for each column. Alyce says yes and she snickers. #JodiArias
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Rebecca pointed out I spelled "right" instead of "write". I feel like an idiot. What a dingus. #JodiArias
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Can you tell us Travis' side of the story? #JodiArias
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Do you have any evidence other than #JodiArias word that Travis made her tear out pages and write only positive thoughts?
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Is it possible the incidents of abuse reported by #JodiArias were reported after the fact as a secondary gain to benefit her?
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Can you explain how #JodiArias can remember physical abuse incidents so vividly but does not right anything in the journal?
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How do you know Travis did not want to resolve the issue during the Havasupai trip? #JodiArias
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How can you know that #JodiArias' B.S. story was not a lie? Alyce can't.
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You stated that Travis was lying in this message, how do you know this for sure? #JodiArias
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What exactly was the B.S. story that #JodiArias told Travis?
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Are you aware #JodiArias threatened Travis by saying she would let the word out about him being a pedophile?
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What is the manifesto you referred to in your testimony? #JodiArias Alyce doesn't know because she has never seen it.
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I see another paper in the juror question bin. #JodiArias
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Did Travis discuss abuse from #JodiArias or any other females in his journal? no.
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Do you handle cases where the female is the abuser? Yes she does. #JodiArias
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How can you say that #JodiArias and Travis' rel. was domestic abuse with no proof other than paper and Jodi's word?
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Do you consider someone that says "no jury will ever convict me" to be a person with low self esteem? #JodiArias
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When interviewing #JodiArias you claimed you did not asking leading questions. Do you consider a simple y/n response a leading question?
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You said other sources said #JodiArias was not manipulative, who are these sources? Alyce sights Matt and Darryl.
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How would you know the tone of non verbal communication between #JodiArias and Travis if you couldn't interview both people?
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Jurors are attentive, some taking notes. The cup touchers leg is shaking. #JodiArias
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Other than what #JodiArias has told you, what other sources of evidence of physical violence by Travis did you see?
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Would you have adjusted your belief in the level of abuse if you had been given access to everything except the interviews with #JodiArias
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If you had been given access to everything except interviews with #JodiArias how would your opinion of her differ if at all?
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How many men have you testified for in criminal court? #JodiArias She says she hasn't testified much. Juan wants a number.
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How do you now #JodiArias received spider man undies from Travis on Valentines day?
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Have you given her anything else? Had physical contact with her? Touching etc.? #JodiArias
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You bought #JodiArias books, apologized when meeting her and got her magazines, did you do anything else? No, nothing else.
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#JodiArias went through Travis' emails,messages and inbox. Did you take any of that into considerations when making your assessment? Yes
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When #JodiArias went to confront Bianca, can't that be seen that she did that because she was jealous?
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Juan tosses out a few jections. Sustained. Alyce responds "no" to that question. #JodiArias
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Is not the perpetrator of the greatest domestic violence in this case #JodiArias?
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Please explain why you think #JodiArias is not manipulative.
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A few sighs are heard in the courtroom as Willmott approaches the lectern. #JodiArias
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Questions are over. Willmott is up for follow up. #JodiArias
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Do you honestly believe that hitting your parents are normal behavior at any age? #JodiArias
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Jenkasaurus looks over at @kinseyschofield and give her the thumbs up for her appearances on Nancy Grace last night. #JodiArias
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The sizzle is heard for the first time today and Wild's stomach just grumbled. #JodiArias
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Judge points out we have some more questions in the basket. Counsel approaches to review them. #JodiArias
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You mentioned Travis was in a 7 year rel. with Deanna. Are you aware of anyone interviewing her to determine if she was a victim or survivor
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Considering only the written convos and journals can you say you saw an escalation? #JodiArias
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If you were to only consider the written convos and journals, excluding your interview with #JodiArias did you see abuse?
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Some of these questions are so long I can't get them all. Sorry folks, trying my best. #JodiArias
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You say #JodiArias lies started after she killed Travis, how could you possibly know this?
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Did you ever see evidence that #JodiArias was openly sharing all of her private sexual details with her family and friends?
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Why do you think Travis' attempts to keep his sexual life private deceptive? #JodiArias
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Don't you believe a comment about a 12 year old girl on a phone call is different than masturbating to young boys pictures? #JodiArias
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If a couple has an argument that takes all day to end can they still be in a healthy relationship? Yes. #JodiArias
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Can you explain what you mean by a burst of anger? Can a 10 or 20 minute rant be described as a burst? #JodiArias
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A few sighs are heard in the courtroom as Willmott approaches the lectern. #JodiArias
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Questions are over. Willmott is up for follow up. #JodiArias
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Do you honestly believe that hitting your parents are normal behavior at any age? #JodiArias
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Jenkasaurus looks over at @kinseyschofield and give her the thumbs up for her appearances on Nancy Grace last night. #JodiArias
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The sizzle is heard for the first time today and Wild's stomach just grumbled. #JodiArias
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Judge points out we have some more questions in the basket. Counsel approaches to review them. #JodiArias
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You mentioned Travis was in a 7 year rel. with Deanna. Are you aware of anyone interviewing her to determine if she was a victim or survivor
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Considering only the written convos and journals can you say you saw an escalation? #JodiArias
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If you were to only consider the written convos and journals, excluding your interview with #JodiArias did you see abuse?
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Some of these questions are so long I can't get them all. Sorry folks, trying my best. #JodiArias
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You say #JodiArias lies started after she killed Travis, how could you possibly know this?
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Did you ever see evidence that #JodiArias was openly sharing all of her private sexual details with her family and friends?
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Why do you think Travis' attempts to keep his sexual life private deceptive? #JodiArias
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Don't you believe a comment about a 12 year old girl on a phone call is different than masturbating to young boys pictures? #JodiArias
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If a couple has an argument that takes all day to end can they still be in a healthy relationship? Yes. #JodiArias
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Can you explain what you mean by a burst of anger? Can a 10 or 20 minute rant be described as a burst? #JodiArias
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Questions done..Wilma up. I am outta here till Juan is up..if that happens today.
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Willmott laughs and can't get a question out. She seems completely out of her element. The judge calls for a 10 minute recess. #JodiArias
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A jection "lack of foundation" from Juan forces a sizzlebar. Alyce scans the jurors like the terminator in a new world. #JodiArias
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Willmott is doing her best to clean up the responses to the juror questions. She brings up the continuum now. #JodiArias
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I forgot to give a #JodiArias bang report. She has no bangs today. I repeat. No bangs. Bangless. No Mas Bangalones. Sans Bangage.
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Willmott is asking Alyce about if she felt that #JodiArias was ever sexually degraded. She is up at the stapler lady now.
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I don't see any jurors taking notes at the moment. #JodiArias
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I forgot how quickly Willmott speaks. It's warp speed in here as she questions Alyce. #JodiArias
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Alyce does not condone #JodiArias' behavior as a teenager. Willmott points out that her mother hit her as a teen.
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by NiteSpinR Fri Apr 12, 2013 12:33 pm
Only one question about the manifesto?
Nothing about Jodi thinking she'd be famous for murdering Travis?
Nothing about Jodi thinking she'd be famous for murdering Travis?
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Alyce is seen smiling and visiting her friends in the gallery. Nurmi is reclined. Juan is back in the courtroom. #JodiArias
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Perhaps Willmott should tag Nurmi and get him into the ring with some nice soothing "eeaaanndd.. ok's" and such. #JodiArias
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Willmott's body language after the sizzlebar was not that of someone that was extremely happy. Hand on hip. #JodiArias
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Willmott and Nurmi are whispering to eachother. #JodiArias is outside of the courtroom. It's pretty empty in here.
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That was really strange. @kinseyschofield and I looked at each other in disbelief as to how Willmott got stuck just now.
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by Wrapitup Fri Apr 12, 2013 12:43 pm
I did not and WILL not listen to Wilma re-re-recross Alyce.NiteSpinR wrote:Only one question about the manifesto?
Nothing about Jodi thinking she'd be famous for murdering Travis?
I LOVED the juror questions. Loved them! True, only one question re: Manifesto. Am not worried though. This jury doesn't miss a trick. They are on to Jodi and she and her scream team know it!
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Alyce takes the stand again. We wait for the jury. I hope Willmott settled herself down. #JodiArias
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#JodiArias just came back into the room, she is seated at the desk. Donavan and Jodi's mom are whispering sweet nothings to each other.
Alyce takes the stand again. We wait for the jury. I hope Willmott settled herself down. #JodiArias
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#JodiArias just came back into the room, she is seated at the desk. Donavan and Jodi's mom are whispering sweet nothings to each other.
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Alyce is very good with the yes no answers when Willmott is asking the questions. They work well together. Like pb&j #JodiArias
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Very hard to keep up with Willmott's questions and watch #JodiArias' bangs. I gotta pick one. Which would you like me to monitor?
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It seems that #JodiArias is now displaying bangs. When I gave my bang report earlier they were brushed to the side.
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Willmott seems thrown off a bit again as she asks to approach. We are treated to a tune by Conway Twitty as we wait. #JodiArias
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As I look at the monitor beside me I see #JodiArias looks very sad :( <-- artistic rendering © Wild
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Bang update: A few bangs are seen on the foreheadal region but most are still brushed to the side. #JodiArias
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Jurors are seen paying attention somewhat but none taking notes. No cup touching going on. #JodiArias
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Willmott continues to go over the juror question responses Alyce gave. She asks if Alyce has testified for a man on trial. #JodiArias
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Juan is quick with the jections as he tries to throw Willmott off her game.
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by Wrapitup Fri Apr 12, 2013 1:09 pm
I want JUAN! 
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Willmott is done. Martinez is back up. #JodiArias :cheering:
Willmott is done. Martinez is back up. #JodiArias :cheering:
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by NiteSpinR Fri Apr 12, 2013 1:17 pm
Alyce refuses to budge on her belief that Jodi was abused.
Given information about her lies, she chooses to believe her anyway.
Given information that others view Jodi as manipulative, she claims she's never seen any proof of it.
Jodi told her (and the world) that Travis masturbated to pictures of boys. Even though there is no proof of that... she believes Jodi.
She's been told about Jodi stalking Travis and she doesn't see that behavior as stalking.
She thought the manifesto was important enough to jot a note about it. When Juan questioned her about Jodi thinking she was going to be famous so she was signing copies for her future fans. Alyce responded with "Everyone Dreams Of Being Famous."
And she really wonders why people are against her and her testimony?
JUAN's Up I gotta GO!
Given information about her lies, she chooses to believe her anyway.
Given information that others view Jodi as manipulative, she claims she's never seen any proof of it.
Jodi told her (and the world) that Travis masturbated to pictures of boys. Even though there is no proof of that... she believes Jodi.
She's been told about Jodi stalking Travis and she doesn't see that behavior as stalking.
She thought the manifesto was important enough to jot a note about it. When Juan questioned her about Jodi thinking she was going to be famous so she was signing copies for her future fans. Alyce responded with "Everyone Dreams Of Being Famous."
And she really wonders why people are against her and her testimony?
JUAN's Up I gotta GO!
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by Wrapitup Fri Apr 12, 2013 1:19 pm
You are correct on all you said.
Loving Juan already!!!
Sorry you have to go!
Loving Juan already!!!
Sorry you have to go!
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by NiteSpinR Fri Apr 12, 2013 1:20 pm
GO JUAN.... GO JUAN.... GO JUAN!
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by NiteSpinR Fri Apr 12, 2013 1:24 pm
Alyce claimed she's testified in 2 criminal cases for men.
She can't remember the names. And Juan gets her to admit she didn't actually testify,,, she only wrote a report!
Alyce is back to being unable to answer Juan with a "Yes or No"
Oh he is soooo good!
Alyce is soooo caught!
Jodi is sooo close to being famous as being the only little cutie on DEATH ROW!
She can't remember the names. And Juan gets her to admit she didn't actually testify,,, she only wrote a report!
Alyce is back to being unable to answer Juan with a "Yes or No"
Oh he is soooo good!
Alyce is soooo caught!
Jodi is sooo close to being famous as being the only little cutie on DEATH ROW!
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Juan moves on to the question about #JodiArias being manipulative as a teen and later on in life. Alyce is a bit testy at the moment.
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Alyce said she testified 1 or 2 times because she doesn't remember although she didn't answer that way to the juror question. #JodiArias
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Alyce's CV doesn't include the the times she testified in criminal court. Alyce doesn't write the names of the people down. #JodiArias
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A jection asscan answered is heard by Willmott. Juan points out Alyce did not testify in court and misrepresented herself. #JodiArias
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Juan wants to know if it was in criminal court. She says it was in criminal court and she wrote a report. #JodiArias
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Alyce doesn't remember the names and thinks they are confidential anyhow. Alyce wants to explain one of the cases. #JodiArias
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Sorry, that Alyce testified for men 1 or 2 times. He is asking for their names. #JodiArias
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Juan brings up that Alyce testified for 1 or 2 times. He is asking Alyce for the names of them. #JodiArias
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by Wrapitup Fri Apr 12, 2013 1:34 pm
I am SO SICK of Wilma asking to approach every 5 minutes. Rarely does Juan do this. OMG!!!!
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Juan continues to press Alyce on the manipulative question that was asked by the juror. #JodiArias
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Willmott continues to object and ask to approach the bench. The judge is heard saying "yeeeessss" like a tired mother with 8 kids #JodiArias
Willmott continues to object and ask to approach the bench. The judge is heard saying "yeeeessss" like a tired mother with 8 kids #JodiArias
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by NiteSpinR Fri Apr 12, 2013 1:39 pm
LIES
apparently lies can be grouped into categories, little white lies, the qualities of the lie, the pattern of the lie, medium lies, BIG lies...
whatever Alyce a lie is a lie!
apparently lies can be grouped into categories, little white lies, the qualities of the lie, the pattern of the lie, medium lies, BIG lies...
whatever Alyce a lie is a lie!
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The phrase "Mr. Martinez" rings out many times as Alyce continues to struggle with answering Juan's questions. #JodiArias
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Alyce raises her voice extremely loud as Juan is talking and the judge has to crack the whip and lay the smack down. #JodiArias
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by Wrapitup Fri Apr 12, 2013 1:43 pm
Yes OR No, damnit!!!
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by NiteSpinR Fri Apr 12, 2013 1:45 pm
Wonder if Wilma cries out in her sleep "JUDGE MAY WE APPROACH?"
Wonder if Judge Stevens has nightmares of hearing Wilma asking... "judge may we approach?"
Wonder if Judge Stevens has nightmares of hearing Wilma asking... "judge may we approach?"
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10 minute recess. #JodiArias
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#JodiArias continues to look sad as she either takes notes or draws more artwork to sell. It's crafts time at 5C everyone!
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Juan continues to dig at the question about Alyce testifying in a criminal case. She continues to claim she doesn't remember #JodiArias
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by Wrapitup Fri Apr 12, 2013 1:49 pm
Good one. I am so sick of her. I almost want Nurmi back up..but I guess all he cares about are the sexual ass pects of this case.Wonder if Wilma cries out in her sleep "JUDGE MAY WE APPROACH?"
Wonder if Judge Stevens has nightmares of hearing Wilma asking... "judge may we approach?"
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by NiteSpinR Fri Apr 12, 2013 1:51 pm
Alyce did a criminal report for a man 29 years ago? no wonder she can't remember.
Juan wants her to admit she misrepresented the answer she gave the Jury. Hope she doesn't launch into her definition of a lie again.
Misrepresentation.... A LIE Alyce
perhaps you should add that to the "Degree of Lies"
Which I believe you should title your next book!
Juan wants her to admit she misrepresented the answer she gave the Jury. Hope she doesn't launch into her definition of a lie again.
Misrepresentation.... A LIE Alyce
perhaps you should add that to the "Degree of Lies"
Which I believe you should title your next book!
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Or, "The Art of Lies".
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