Alleged Child Pornographers Targeted Around the World

BJ in OR wrote:Neoaflander,
Do you think your son is the only innocent one out of the 50, or do you think the rest of the accused are guilty?

How could I know? I dont know any of those people. I have some knowledge about my son. I have also more than I wanted to know how the da's office can deceive people in a public forum. If you break any part of a statute you are guilty of all of it.
they can then name all parts of the statute as crimes you are accused of committing, hence the many, many, charges. I invite the prosecutor to explain it to us at any time in this case.

I would be pounding the pavement, doing whatever I could, to get answers..even if it meant banging on doors. Especially if I thought my son was innocent. Have you spoken to your son's attorney? Does he have an attorney? If he doesn't he best get one.

by neoaflander Today at 3:23 pm I invite the prosecutor to explain it to us at any time in this case.

I highly doubt you're going to get an explanation from the prosecutor here on VH. You need the help of an attorney.

"Wrapitup" said: I would be pounding the pavement, doing whatever I could, to get answers..even if it meant banging on doors. Especially if I thought my son was innocent. Have you spoken to your son's attorney?

He has an attorney and I am 2000 miles away. I would probably not talk to him at 295 an hour.
I dont really want to take the focus of this site away from the child victims but I think it would be instructive to everyone to follow the defendants as well as can be and see how many cases are dismissed, how many charges are reduced, how many are plea bargained and with what, how many are recidivists, etc. It would be good to know the real numbers behind that 100 percent conviction rate. Does it really mean only 100 percent of those cases actually prosecuted and not dropped or something else.
There are so many ways to lie while telling a truth. 50 arrests looks real good on a public relations basis. There is a lot of questionable stuff in the article that I would like to know about.

by neoaflander Today at 3:40 pm I think it would be instructive to everyone to follow the defendants as well as can be and see how many cases are dismissed, how many charges are reduced, how many are plea bargained and with what, how many are recidivists, etc. It would be good to know the real numbers behind that 100 percent conviction rate. Does it really mean only 100 percent of those cases actually prosecuted and not dropped or something else.

I check for updates on this case several times a day. Anything updates will be on this thread as soon as they are released.

I have not followed the indictments like I should have, but one question: Does a grand jury convene if the defendant pleads guilty right off the bat? In a case of a boy who beat up another boy, they held court over the case and the defendant pled guilty from a jail cell he was already in for another charge and did not have to appear in court to face the charges.

Your not invisible BJ. I see your questions just fine. Terryrose I really wish I could answer your question.

lindamarie wrote:Your not invisible BJ. I see your questions just fine. Terryrose I really wish I could answer your question.

Look up the charges under Pandering in the Ohio Revised code. You can google it. I posted a) and b) of 322. somethin

2907.322 Pandering sexually oriented matter involving a minor.
(A) No person, with knowledge of the character of the material or performance involved, shall do any of the following:

(1) Create, record, photograph, film, develop, reproduce, or publish any material that shows a minor participating or engaging in sexual activity, masturbation, or bestiality;

(2) Advertise for sale or dissemination, sell, distribute, transport, disseminate, exhibit, or display any material that shows a minor participating or engaging in sexual activity, masturbation, or bestiality;

(3) Create, direct, or produce a performance that shows a minor participating or engaging in sexual activity, masturbation, or bestiality;

(4) Advertise for presentation, present, or participate in presenting a performance that shows a minor participating or engaging in sexual activity, masturbation, or bestiality;

(5) Knowingly solicit, receive, purchase, exchange, possess, or control any material that shows a minor participating or engaging in sexual activity, masturbation, or bestiality;

(6) Bring or cause to be brought into this state any material that shows a minor participating or engaging in sexual activity, masturbation, or bestiality, or bring, cause to be brought, or finance the bringing of any minor into or across this state with the intent that the minor engage in sexual activity, masturbation, or bestiality in a performance or for the purpose of producing material containing a visual representation depicting the minor engaged in sexual activity, masturbation, or bestiality.

(B)(1) This section does not apply to any material or performance that is sold, disseminated, displayed, possessed, controlled, brought or caused to be brought into this state, or presented for a bona fide medical, scientific, educational, religious, governmental, judicial, or other proper purpose, by or to a physician, psychologist, sociologist, scientist, teacher, person pursuing bona fide studies or research, librarian, clergyman, prosecutor, judge, or other person having a proper interest in the material or performance.

(2) Mistake of age is not a defense to a charge under this section.

(3) In a prosecution under this section, the trier of fact may infer that a person in the material or performance involved is a minor if the material or performance, through its title, text, visual representation, or otherwise, represents or depicts the person as a minor.

(C) Whoever violates this section is guilty of pandering sexually oriented matter involving a minor. Violation of division (A)(1), (2), (3), (4), or (6) of this section is a felony of the second degree. Violation of division (A)(5) of this section is a felony of the fourth degree. If the offender previously has been convicted of or pleaded guilty to a violation of this section or section 2907.321 or 2907.323 of the Revised Code, pandering sexually oriented matter involving a minor in violation of division (A)(5) of this section is a felony of the third degree.

Effective Date: 03-22-2001

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2907.323 Illegal use of minor in nudity-oriented material or performance.
(A) No person shall do any of the following:

(1) Photograph any minor who is not the person’s child or ward in a state of nudity, or create, direct, produce, or transfer any material or performance that shows the minor in a state of nudity, unless both of the following apply:

(a) The material or performance is, or is to be, sold, disseminated, displayed, possessed, controlled, brought or caused to be brought into this state, or presented for a bona fide artistic, medical, scientific, educational, religious, governmental, judicial, or other proper purpose, by or to a physician, psychologist, sociologist, scientist, teacher, person pursuing bona fide studies or research, librarian, member of the clergy, prosecutor, judge, or other person having a proper interest in the material or performance;

(b) The minor’s parents, guardian, or custodian consents in writing to the photographing of the minor, to the use of the minor in the material or performance, or to the transfer of the material and to the specific manner in which the material or performance is to be used.

(2) Consent to the photographing of the person’s minor child or ward, or photograph the person’s minor child or ward, in a state of nudity or consent to the use of the person’s minor child or ward in a state of nudity in any material or performance, or use or transfer a material or performance of that nature, unless the material or performance is sold, disseminated, displayed, possessed, controlled, brought or caused to be brought into this state, or presented for a bona fide artistic, medical, scientific, educational, religious, governmental, judicial, or other proper purpose, by or to a physician, psychologist, sociologist, scientist, teacher, person pursuing bona fide studies or research, librarian, member of the clergy, prosecutor, judge, or other person having a proper interest in the material or performance;

(3) Possess or view any material or performance that shows a minor who is not the person’s child or ward in a state of nudity, unless one of the following applies:

(a) The material or performance is sold, disseminated, displayed, possessed, controlled, brought or caused to be brought into this state, or presented for a bona fide artistic, medical, scientific, educational, religious, governmental, judicial, or other proper purpose, by or to a physician, psychologist, sociologist, scientist, teacher, person pursuing bona fide studies or research, librarian, member of the clergy, prosecutor, judge, or other person having a proper interest in the material or performance.

(b) The person knows that the parents, guardian, or custodian has consented in writing to the photographing or use of the minor in a state of nudity and to the manner in which the material or performance is used or transferred.

(B) Whoever violates this section is guilty of illegal use of a minor in a nudity-oriented material or performance. Whoever violates division (A)(1) or (2) of this section is guilty of a felony of the second degree. Except as otherwise provided in this division, whoever violates division (A)(3) of this section is guilty of a felony of the fifth degree. If the offender previously has been convicted of or pleaded guilty to a violation of this section or section 2907.321 or 2907.322 of the Revised Code, illegal use of a minor in a nudity-oriented material or performance in violation of division (A)(3) of this section is a felony of the fourth degree. If the offender who violates division (A)(1) or (2) of this section also is convicted of or pleads guilty to a specification as described in section 2941.1422 of the Revised Code that was included in the indictment, count in the indictment, or information charging the offense, the court shall sentence the offender to a mandatory prison term as provided in division (D)(7) of section 2929.14 of the Revised Code and shall order the offender to make restitution as provided in division (B)(8) of section 2929.18 of the Revised Code.

Effective Date: 07-01-1996; 2008 HB280 04-07-2009

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TerryRose wrote:I have not followed the indictments like I should have, but one question: Does a grand jury convene if the defendant pleads guilty right off the bat? In a case of a boy who beat up another boy, they held court over the case and the defendant pled guilty from a jail cell he was already in for another charge and did not have to appear in court to face the charges.

No, if the State believes the person that is pleading guilty. It's not as easy as one thinks when one admits guilt. There still has to be an investigation..depending on the type of crime.

Neoaflander, I know that people are falsely arrested. I get that and I get that you are trying to make a point that the DA in that county and possibly others in the political realm MAY be wanting to look good by arresting 50 people who have been looking at or downloading child porn. I get that you are concerned not only for your son, but you are evidently concerned for the political aspect.

As BJ stated, she and many of us keep up on the crimes several times per day. If there is any news to report on this case of any of the cases that we have threads on, trust me when I tell you that we will immediately report the latest breaking news.

I will give you an example of a case that I thought was ridiculous. Loving parents took pics of their two year old taking a bath. The child had all his bath toys and the parents snapped pics. I cannot remember the exact details, but bottom line..the parents were arrested for child porn and DCF actually came in and investigated the parents. Eventually, the charges were dropped. Not THAT is ridiculous. So yes, people are arrested every day for crimes they did not commit.

I get your point and if you need to use VH as a sounding board, feel free. It's got to be extremely frustrating. But, be prepared to get some very honest feedback.

And BJ, Thanks so much for posting all the Ohio Statutes on Child Porn. I don't think it leaves much room for questions.

Wrap, I know there are other incidents besides this one. It might, or might not, be the one you were referring to.

If a naked baby is porn, what exactly is the stuff the rest of us watch?

That's what a Peoria family is probably wondering after they had their children taken from them, and put into state custody after a Wal-Mart worker contacted authorities about some family photos it developed.

Lisa and A.J. Demaree took their three children, ages 5, 4, and 1½, on a vacation to San Diego. As vacations go, the young family took a lot of photos, including some of the children in the bathtub, in various stages of nudity.

Hardly a pornographic photo shoot.

When the family returned to Peoria, they took a memory stick containing about 150 photos of the trip to Wal-Mart to get them developed.

That's when a Wal-Mart employee made a ghastly discovery; naked babies in a bathtub.

What kind of horrid pedophile would take pictures of their own children naked in a bathtub when they are still essentially babies? Well, just about every family in America, that's who.

The Wal-Mart employee alerted authorities to the fact that he was given the photos, and the Demarees' children were placed in foster care while the state investigated the case to see if there was any evidence of sexual assault.

As you would probably imagine, nude children in the care of their parents doesn't qualify as sexual assault.

The families attorney, Richard Treon, says the parents were cleared of all the charges after an investigation, which included examining all three of the children's genitals.

The Demarees fought back, and have sued Wal-Mart in one complaint, and sued Arizona, the Arizona Attorney General, and the City of Peoria in a second complaint.

The family is seeking punitive damages for defamation and outrage. Just another stupid event that cost state and local government time, and will probably wind up costing them (we taxpayers, that is) money.

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[quote="BJ in OR"]2907.323 Illegal use of minor in nudity-oriented material or performance.

the number ot dockets is 322 not 323. and 322 a)1 and 322 a)2 can both be satisfied by an image on a computer.

Neoaflander, Nekuyo, and possibly lessa: From your posts, I have come to think that at least two of these are the same person, maybe all 3 because at least 2 have an ax to grind with our county prosecutor and ICAC and accuse them, mostly Mr. Mason of grandstanding with this story because of political ambitions.
If you are living 2000 miles away, how can you possibly know what our prosecutor here is doing beyond whatever your son curses and rants about him because he is being prosecuted? I happen to live in the county in question, have voted for Mr. Mason every time he has run because he has been a good prosecutor for the county and I have not observed him grandstanding at all of late in our local media on this or any other case before the prosecutor's office presently. In fact, he has never grandstanded to my knowledge. There was some media coverage locally when the case broke and charges were filed, but I don't think it was even on all the stations. There may have been a brief follow-up when the two groups were arraigned. The only appearance Mr. Mason made in this regard was when the whole group of law enforcement was assembled that had worked on this case and they shared the stage with him at the press conference about it. If there were other news reports about this case, there weren't very many that anybody noticed maybe because this all occurred during the busy Holiday season. I don't even remember seeing a local newspaper article about it. This is not grandstanding in my opinion. Nor has Mr. Mason grandstanded in the Sowell case or any other. There is an occasional announcement from the man but they are few and far between in the media all these many years he has been in office and his pattern has not changed that I have noticed.
I think you cannot possibly know being 2000 miles away what you are talking about when you keep on accusing the prosecutor and the Cybercrime taskforce of ulterior motives. I actually live here and I think both are behaving rightly according to their job descriptions. If Mr. Mason wants out of the prosecutor's office and wants to run for some other office, I will probably vote for him---if he doesn't seek to replace a favorite of mine presently in the office, and I think that a man who is not cold-hearted probably wants out after awhile---I know I would, when he has to deal with the Sowell murders, view these sickening photos of children being raped and tortured, and all the other heinous crimes he has to deal with and prosecute. I think a feeling, righteous person would say "I want out" after years of this stuff. He is not the first prosecutor to run for another office. There is a Congressman who once was a prosecutor for another county in Ohio. There is nothing wrong with these men's ambitions, when, after many years of service in the very difficult capacity of prosecutor, they want to do something else less stressful.

That's funny TR... I was thinking much of the same things that you just posted. I agree that 2 of these posters are actually one and the same, and I can even quote her:

(1) "A good way to lie convincingly with a grain of truth." and (2) "There are so many ways to lie while telling a truth."

Perhaps she has taught her son "a good way to lie" as she says "while telling a truth"..... I don't know how she would know what he does with his time, except whatever he told her.

Lilone, you and Terry Rose are very detail-oriented. Kudo's to both of you!!

Terry Rose, thanks for your post. I have to agree - how can you live 2000 miles away and really know what is going on?

Lilone wrote:That's funny TR... I was thinking much of the same things that you just posted. I agree that 2 of these posters are actually one and the same, and I can even quote her:

(1) "A good way to lie convincingly with a grain of truth." and (2) "There are so many ways to lie while telling a truth."

Perhaps she has taught her son "a good way to lie" as she says "while telling a truth"..... I don't know how she would know what he does with his time, except whatever he told her.

-----and further, how does she claim to know what goes on in MY own backyard when she lives 2000 miles away? This has started to get to me, I must admit. However, it does not in any way reduce my feelings for her in what she is experiencing over the troubles over her son---I too would be heartbroken in her shoes.

I try to understand her feelings and thoughts, but it is lacking logic and believability.

My adult son lives 15 minutes from my house. I have no idea what may or may not be on his computer. Near or far I don't know his sexual preferences, nor do I want to. I would very much like to believe that he does not get turned on by the victimization of children. If he were to be accused of such a thing I couldn't just make general statements proclaiming him innocent, until I saw some proof one way or the other. Nor could I point a blaming finger at others in an attempt to take the pressure off.
1) The very best and only thing I could do for my son at this juncture would be to make sure he had proper legal counsel.
2) If I had even one hint that the accusations made against him were true then I would be trying to get him the Medical care and counseling he's obviously in need of. Denials and finger pointing isn't going to make him stop hurting himself and children.

In TX when someone is charged with a crime they are arrested the grand jury meets and decides if the case will go to trial, then the person goes before the Judge and makes their plea. (guilty or innocent) Then a trial is held with or without a Jury.

We've (the members of VH) have all joke around that if experts ever looked into our computers they would be shocked by what they found! All the chloroform and duct tape searches, human trafficking, female pedophiles... You name it and we've looked into IT! :study:

All good points, Nite!

I, too, have no clue what my son has on his puter other than his football/baseball/basketball fantasy that he plays on Yahoo. Other than that, I am clueless and never really thought about it until now.

And I agree, being a member of a crime blog, we look up all kinds of things. I can honestly say with all the perverted crimes I have ever googled, I can only remember one time when actual ADULT porn came up. I immediately backed out of it. NEVER have I Ever had child porn pop up. But then again, I don't have Limewire which seems to be getting the blame for what has transpired. :geek2:

Last nite I wanted to have some fun with BJ in another topic. So I googled an image search for 2 words SEX and CARTOON
WOW you would not believe the porno that popped up!
(I do not have safe search set on my search engines so graphic images are not blocked from my searches.)

LIMEWIRE is a file sharing site (music pics). If you allow someone into the files on your computer to copy or save something... a data trail is left behind that you never know is there.
To the right set of eyes looking at this info is like following a ROAD MAP, to and from somewhere.

I can understand a parent's desire to believe what their child tells them. But I don't understand unconditional defense of anyone, including one's own children, without specific knowledge and evidence. Presumption is in the eyes of the law, but could be considered naive in personal relationships.

My son is nearby also and yet I only know what he tells me about his computer files and what he does with his spare time.

If it were me, I think I would be lambasting the associations of my son with these perverts, whether online or in person and not LE or The DA. Somehow he has linked himself to these people and he is now paying the price for the company he keeps. The prosecutors and LE are not the ones to blame, it is his own actions, friendships, and associations that have gotten him into trouble. With so much crime around and the courts so full of cases to hear, and the jails bloating because of overcapacity, no prosecutors are going to bring a case against someone they know is either innocent or if they don't think they have enough evidence to prosecute it. I think some mothers' anger is misplaced---they should be angry at the ones that their sons associated with and the ones that got them into illegal activity, but I suspect they might well be friends who know each other in the first place.

Just Once Can Hurt: Internet Porn and Addiction

I want you to consider what happens when a person is exposed to Internet pornography once, or numerous times. I will refer to the brain and the body in tandem as imindbody, because the two really do not function independently. Information, feelings, experiences, images, sounds, emotions, etc., are stored in cells throughout your brain and body, linked together by a complex highway of electrical and chemical connections. Truly we are one mindbody.

Habit-Just Once Can Hurt You!
Doing anything-even once-provides your mindbody with the foundation for a habit. What role do habits play in your mindbody? Your mindbody innately tries to organize incoming data so that it can function on autopilot, so to speak, or with the least degree of effort. Your mindbody naturally sets up automatic responses to stimuli so it doesn't have to take the time to think every time it responds. So, you form habits in order to free up your conscious self to focus on other, more pertinent things. In other words, your mindbody seeks efficiency.

For example, you buy a new car and spend time studying the operator's manual to figure out how everything works. Then after a few days or weeks, you find that you don't need to think about how to increase the volume on the CD player or how to turn on the rear defrost. Performing these functions just comes naturally. Your mindbody memory takes over. Can you imagine if every time you got into your car you had to consciously re-figure out how everything works! Your mindbody is designed to turn everything into a habit.

Habits-What Are They and Why Do We Need Them?
Your sitting position as you read this article, your ability to concentrate, your reading speed, everything going on inside you at this moment is the result of habit, or your mindbody seeking to do things efficiently.

Habits are the natural goal of your mindbody. You don't have to announce to your mindbody, "I'm going to form a habit now;" the mindbody is always in the process of forming habits. Habituation is the mindbody standard. Your personality, or who you are, is the sum total of all of your habits. Remember-Never do once what you don't want to do all the time.

When you do something once, your mindbody assumes that you intend to do it again and again. Your mindbody forms habits with the greatest of ease. In fact, everything it does, it does with habit as its main objective. Yes, just once can hurt you!

Why Does the Mindbody Seek to Turn Everything Into a Habit?
The renowned behavioral scientist Abraham Maslow said that the brain in concert with the body is always hungering after "peak experiences." (For our purposes here we shall continue to refer to the entire human system-the mind and physical body-as one entity or mindbody, meaning that one part does not, and cannot for that matter, function separately from the other.) Maslow identified sex and music as the main ways that the mindbody attains peak experiences. But participating in other enterprises like science, poetry, prayer, dance, extreme sports, and so on, can supply the mindbody with a peak experience.

Why is the mindbody in search of these experiences? The simple answer is that it constantly seeks stimulation; it can tolerate anything but boredom. Yet the mindbody finds itself overloaded with too much information all the time, and it craves being able to make order of and organize all the pieces of information it receives. Its natural instinct is to construct the pieces into a whole and then use this whole to achieve stimulation-or a peak experience-of some kind.

A trained computer programmer is able to create a wonderful program and enjoy the accolades of his or her colleagues-a peak experience. One who practices public speaking delivers a keynote address in front of a large audience and receives a standing ovation-a peak experience. You help someone in need, hug a child, overcome a challenge, receive a promotion and you feel warm and full inside-all peak experiences. Your mindbody has set standards that have been met as peak experiences, bringing greater meaning, fulfillment, and excitement to your life. Your mindbody has successfully fit together the puzzle pieces it received from the outside world to create a whole picture, and now you have obtained the fruits of your efforts-peak experiences.

Is the stimulation or peak experience the mindbody seeks after always productive and positive? At the most basic, instinctive, biological level, the mindbody does not care what type of stimulation is achieved, so long as there is not the absence of stimulation.

What determines the type of stimulation or peak experience a person will seek for? This is fully determined by the information, images and input the individual has allowed to be stored in the cells of her brain and body. In harmony with her stored values, beliefs, standards, and convictions, she will form her intentions, expectations, and sincere desires. All these conscious and subconscious decisions and thoughts will be governed by her mindbody.

For example, if a man has spent hundreds of hours in front of Internet porn and has used it as the process to achieve the peak experience of orgasm, then his mindbody will organize all memories associated with this process so that orgasm through Internet porn can be duplicated over and over in the future with very little effort. All he need do is express the intention for this type of stimulation, and the entire habit network in his mindbody lights up and kicks into gear.

The most effective and efficient way for your mindbody to have as many peak experiences as possible is to form habits that lead to a specific peak experience. Your mindbody is always looking for ways to fit information, events, abilities, etc., together-like the pieces of a puzzle-to form a habit. It will then focus all its abilities and resources toward a specific type of peak experience.

A dancer will probably not be able to unify the parts of her artistic expression in search of a peak experience by restoring an antique car. Only an antique car buff would find that specific activity stimulating. Thus, if you are involved in a certain activity, your mindbody seeks a peak experience of that kind.

Of course, your mindbody seeks out peak experiences in all areas of life, always trying to implement the information it receives in the most effective way possible. When your mindbody achieves a peak experience, it is inclined to always find ways to create a higher experience of that same kind the next time. So if the peak experience your mindbody seeks is in extreme sports, say skydiving or rock climbing, then it will work to achieve a bigger thrill or challenge the next time around. It's kind of like how an expert rock climber would not be satisfied being relegated to climb kiddy cliffs, or how the pro skier covets the speed and thrill of a steep course rather than the safety of the bunny slope.

Your mindbody will rally all its resources to practice and perfect its skills, through habit, so that the peak experience is even higher the next time: "I have written this poem, therefore I can write another more tender one." "I have climbed this mountain, therefore I can tackle a higher one."

Scientists have described our mindbody as having trillions of intelligent cells-all waiting for our intention or instructions. Once our mindbody understands the intention or expectation that we have for a certain peak experience, our cells will do everything they can to bring it about.

Using Pornography to Achieve the Peak Experience of Orgasm
As mentioned, one of the most powerful peak experiences that the human brain and body can experience (some experts says it is the most powerful) is orgasm. If the mindbody is always seeking peak experiences, then near or at the top of the list is orgasm.

Nature (or God) did not make us this way by accident. In its proper place and in its proper setting, the natural outcome of sexual union is orgasm. It is a wonderful "high" when experienced between two committed people who have a union, a tie, a marriage that grows to become a flowering love affair.

The power of romantic attraction and sexual intimacy is a big part of what drives a man and woman to accept and carry out the responsibilities of marriage and parenthood. Coupled with love, compassion and selflessness, sexual attraction can be a vital binding force for good.

Pornographers fully understand the power of orgasm as a peak experience, and seek to use this strong attraction for their own greedy, selfish purposes. Many claim that pornography is an innocent form of entertainment, like sports, dancing or music. But men and teenage boys don't masturbate while at a football game or during a symphony orchestra performance.

Yet Internet pornography sites targeted at the male market blatantly announce the fact that their total focus is to lead the male viewer to masturbate and achieve orgasm. Their ads invite men and teens to do just that and even go so far as to graphically portray it!

There are some Internet porn sites that target the female market and also encourage masturbation. More common is the push to direct female viewers into sexually oriented Internet chatrooms, where they are encouraged to masturbate through cybersex with other chatroom participants.

Once anyone begins using Internet pornography or cybersex as the means to reach orgasm, his or her mindbody rallies all its resources to make this an automatic response-a habit. And, as discussed, with each porn or cybersex session thereafter the mindbody strives to make the present climax more intense than the last one. Once the mindbody falls into this cycle, the porn or cybersex process leading to orgasm becomes the mindbody's all-consuming focal point.

In order for the easily bored mindbody to achieve a higher peak experience the next time, the Internet pornography or cybersex chat must become harder and more perverse. Some inevitably begin mixing sex with violence, debauchery, mutilation and torture. Cybersex chat discussions become more and more daring and graphic.

Soon, images are not enough and the porn addict begins viewing live sex on the Internet. Many men and teenage boys then graduate to strip bars and prostitutes. And, finally, in an increasing number of cases, they work up to rape, and even murder-all in an effort to climb to a higher peak experience. This was the process that produced a Ted Bundy.

And this process does not afflict men and boys alone. More and more women and teenage girls, bored with cybersex, are meeting their chatroom lovers for one-night stands or extended affairs. Women are leaving long-term marriages and families to run off with their Internet fantasy lovers. And these are not just the so-called trashy women. Women who have long histories of a committed marriage, several children, active involvement with their church, good neighbors, etc., are falling prey to cybersex.

An Important Understanding and Review
Once you learn how to drive a car with manual transmission, you never forget. Thereafter when you get into a car with a stick-shift, your mindbody immediately links up all the cellular memory groups needed for the task. Your left foot operates the clutch in coordination with your right foot, which operates the brake and accelerator. These in turn operate in tandem with your right hand on the gearshift. The entire habitual and efficient neural network is in place. It's all virtually automatic-you don't give it much conscious thought.

The next time you hop into the car and express the intention that you want to drive somewhere, in a matter of microseconds that intention triggers an entire series of events. Your mindbody immediately searches out the network or group of linked cellular-memories that are best suited to carry out your intention. It then seeks the network of cells that are most accustomed to working together to drive the car. In other words, it seeks out the most habitual network of cells for the desired purpose. Your mindbody will almost always defer to your most powerful habit to accomplish a specific task within the frame of reference of that habit.

When a person has repeatedly achieved orgasm through viewing pornography or engaging in cybersex, his or her mindbody assumes that all the parts of the process are linked together as the most efficient (habitual) way to reach the peak experience called orgasm.

Next time this person feels the need of arousal or sexual release, the mindbody turns on the Internet porn and/or cybersex network almost automatically. There is little need for conscious thought. Suddenly the person is in front of the computer screen headed toward the desired peak experience of orgasm.

This arousal process can be triggered at any time or place. The next time a male Internet porn viewer sees a fully clothed woman, teenage girl, or even a child walking on the street, the whole memory network can switch on-like getting into a manual transmission car. What does this do to a man or teenage boy's ability to see a woman for what she really is rather than a collection of naked body parts and a way to arrive at orgasm?

Now you know how viewing pornography literally changes the physical and chemical structure of the human brain and body. But does Internet pornography affect the male brain and body in the same way it does the female brain and body? Are men and women attracted to the same kinds of pornography? Do they behave and react to pornography in the same way?

My research, review of case studies, conversations with therapists, and personal interviews with men and women clearly show that the answer is NO! Why? Simply because the structure of the male and female brain and body are different. In next month's article I will discuss how men's and women's brains are wired very differently and how pornographers target men and women with very different techniques.

Mark B. Kastleman is the author of the revolutionary new book titled The Drug of the New Millennium-the Science of How Internet Pornography Radically Alters the Human Brain and Body-A Guide for Parents, Spouses, Clergy and Counselors. Many leading scientists, psychologists, therapists and religious leaders consider this book to be one of the most important works ever written on this subject, and a must-read for parents, spouses, clergy and counselors.

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Awesome article, BJ. I had never really thought about things this way but it makes perfect sense, even if some of the "habits" are detrimental to adults or teens into porn...but MOSTLY and the MAIN thing is the poor children that suffer for now reason!

O.K. so I hung around and looked at the pictures a little longer than I should have!

TerryRose wrote:Neoaflander, Nekuyo, and possibly lessa: From your posts, I y want to do something else less stressful.

dont be silly. I am the only person in my family who rants and raves. I do have six children and four grandchildren. Two of my daughters have joined this blog as well. They and the others may join this or other sites to have their say. My son is not a ranter nor a raver.

I can see you have an axe to grind as well. How are you affiliated in this matter? I have been very upfront about who I am and what my affiliations are.

TerryRose wrote:If it were me, I think I would be lambasting the associations of my son with these perverts, whether online or in person and not LE or The DA. Somehow he has linked himself to these people and he is now paying the price for the company he keeps. The prosecutors and LE are not the ones to blame, it is his own actions, friendships, and associations that have gotten him into trouble. With so much crime around and the courts so full of cases to hear, and the jails bloating because of overcapacity, no prosecutors are going to bring a case against someone they know is either innocent or if they don't think they have enough evidence to prosecute it. I think some mothers' anger is misplaced---they should be angry at the ones that their sons associated with and the ones that got them into illegal activity, but I suspect they might well be friends who know each other in the first place.

My son soes not know any of hese people. the only connection would be that they are all users of some kind of file sharing program or something There are articles that say that that 4000 charges were made. could it be that this da could only reach a few in
Cuyahoga co. I think maybe a few are guilty and the rest will be tossed for lack of evidence. After all the hurt and damaged has been done to the innocent.

"TerryRose" said: Neoaflander, Nekuyo, and possibly lessa:

I grew up in Elyria I am someone aware of the politics. one of my daughters says is true. She is very smart and well informed. Prosecutors ARE coming down hard on P2P users, for music sharing especially. I think it is also possible that any cybercrime that can show a connection to file sharing is likely to receive lots of attention at the behest of the film an music industry or any other powerful lobby. I think P2P is a bad thing. especially now. Everyone here ought to check their bios. You cant even get to it from the desktop. You have to ress some key while booting. I found out when our computer would turn on every time the phone rang even if it was off. It was a dial up connection. We had to pay a computer co in Lorain to tell us about it.

Lilone wrote:I can understand a parent's desire to believe what their child tells them. But I don't understand unconditional defense of anyone, including one's own children, without specific knowledge and evidence. Presumption is in the eyes of the law, but could be considered naive in personal relationships.

My son is nearby also and yet I only know what he tells me about his computer files and what he does with his spare time.

Of course, in the eyes of the law and in our system the presumption is SUPPOSED to be that of innocence till proven guilty.
Even that can be questionable. Did you read about those inmates sentenced to life in TX? When they were cleared by dna evidence, TX passed a law to forbid dna testing for such purposes. Justice in action, I guess. Of course, they were republicans.

Neo, I had no idea your son did not know any of the other people involved. That makes it even harder for you I am sure. So many questions you must have.

Lilone wrote:That's funny TR... I was thinking much of the same things that you just posted. I agree that 2 of these posters are actually one and the same, and I can even quote her:

(1) "A good way to lie convincingly with a grain of truth." and (2) "There are so many ways to lie while telling a truth."

Perhaps she has taught her son "a good way to lie" as she says "while telling a truth"..... I don't know how she would know what he does with his time, except whatever he told her.

well, I know that they will have to prove that my son was in control of his computer at the times the files were uploaded or downloaded and I know how many long hours he worked and that he had to sign in and out with a securty guard for late hours. I know how much time he spends with his girlfriend and how many days he spends each year camping with me. Computer forensics may show that he was not there to do it. Why are you attacking me?

TerryRose wrote:

Lilone wrote:That's funny TR... I was thinking much of the same things that you just posted. I agree that 2 of these posters are actually one and the same, and I can even quote her:

(1) "A good way to lie convincingly with a grain of truth." and (2) "There are so many ways to lie while telling a truth."

Perhaps she has taught her son "a good way to lie" as she says "while telling a truth"..... I don't know how she would know what he does with his time, except whatever he told her.

-----and further, how does she claim to know what goes on in MY own backyard when she lives 2000 miles away? This has started to get to me, I must admit. However, it does not in any way reduce my feeliou wow yngs for her in what she is experiencing over the troubles over her son---I too would be heartbroken in her shoes.

In science we work with statistics. a survey result or a compilation of data may be absolutely true and still lead people to a wrong conclusion. You have to be careful how you collect and weight data and analyze it if you want anything helpful out of it.
I try to be objective. Politicians also know these things. Survey questions are often designed to elicit a specific response. Surely most of you have taken a survey like this. Words are powerful things and word choice affects what people think they hear. Politicians know this. Think of the difference between a project being "stalled' or a project being "delayed." Both are essentially true but with different connotation.
Depending on what you want people to believe, you choose a word. I have been just spouting without paying attention because I am upset. You better believe that when
these people published this, they and the da had an agenda in mind.
dont drink the koolaid, read carefully and make sure you understand what is really going on instead of what they would like you to think is going on.

I will not post on this forum any more if it makes people so unhappy. I can easily resign from it if that is what is wanted. It appears to me that "the rest of the story"H they dont know the outcome yet and that will take some time. Here the are accused are guilty till proved innocent. I for one will probably not give a lot of credibility to these cases anymore now that I know what I know. I think the police should nail these people who use children, but the prosecutors think they should nail the easy targets. Its cheaper and those people have less ability to defend themselves.
I still think that if the prosecutors can use sites like this for a court of public opinion that I should be able to as well. How say you?

neoaflander wrote:I will not post on this forum any more if it makes people so unhappy. I can easily resign from it if that is what is wanted. It appears to me that "the rest of the story"H they dont know the outcome yet and that will take some time. Here the are accused are guilty till proved innocent. I for one will probably not give a lot of credibility to these cases anymore now that I know what I know. I think the police should nail these people who use children, but the prosecutors think they should nail the easy targets. Its cheaper and those people have less ability to defend themselves.
I still think that if the prosecutors can use sites like this for a court of public opinion that I should be able to as well. How say you?

meant to say the rest of the story is unpopular, alluding to paul harvey's show.

That is funny prosecutors using sites like ours. I hope you answered wraps PM she sent you. It is up to you if you want to post or not. No one is forcing you to do that. We are always willing to hear the other side of a story. But when you post on a blog site you have to be prepared that not every one will agree with you. We have offered you are support. If you don't want it that is your choice.

lindamarie wrote:That is funny prosecutors using sites like ours. I hope you answered wraps PM she sent you. It is up to you if you want to post or not. No one is forcing you to do that. We are always willing to hear the other side of a story. But when you post on a blog site you have to be prepared that not every one will agree with you. We have offered you are support. If you don't want it that is your choice.

I like the support
The prosecutor hardly needs to use sites where the members believe everything they read in the news.
I answered the PM from kathie as soon as i saw it. she has friended me on facebook
and would have known who was posting anyway if she had looked at my friends list.
she is a nice lady. I still think that these types of horrific crimes have become a witch hunt (quote from an article i did not write) and an easy win because a jury can be induced to look at the crime and not at the defendant.

McCarthyism is Americanism with its sleeves rolled.
Joseph R. McCarthy

Crimes against kids are that way. They are the worst crimes for juries to hear about. I don't think any of us would be picked for the jury. Our system does try to provide a neutral pool for both sides to pick from. I know our system is not perfect. I only want justice for those kids. If your Son is innocent I want that to be proven in a court of law. We will be the first to say he was wrongly accused. We don't even know which one is your Son and don't need to know that. Just know we understand how you feel and will try to help you through it the best we can.

Thanks, BJ, for that informative article! It is great to see that there are some experts in the mental and physical fields of science that are taking on this issue of behavior and studying it. I have always felt that even regular legal porn lowers all women in the minds of men who repeatedly view it. This has been an unpopular view, most people quoting first amendment rights as being over 21 and acting like there is something wrong with me for thinking it is not okay, a "prude" maybe? I am so glad to see that the subject is now being explored in a sincere and scientific way.

Wrap, it gets confusing when somebody keeps changing the name of this thread every time they post on it.

LM, all you have said is the way most of us feel here too. Our hearts are there for the families of the accused in this and other crimes.

To the newcomers who know nothing about us and have just joined recently and are related to the accused in this or any other thread, please stop accusing US, then, of having ties to political public figures or ulterior motives in our posts here at VH. There is no such tie, there is no such ulterior motive. Despite all the posts upthread saying this, the accusations are still made. Please stop that.

by TerryRose Today at 12:31 pm Wrap, it gets confusing when somebody keeps changing the name of this thread every time they post on it.

The title of this thread has never changed.......another thread about this topic was started and then to keep it simple LM merged the threads and now there is just one.

BJ in OR wrote:

by TerryRose Today at 12:31 pm Wrap, it gets confusing when somebody keeps changing the name of this thread every time they post on it.

The title of this thread has never changed.......another thread about this topic was started and then to keep it simple LM merged the threads and now there is just one.

Look up-thread BJ, I think TerryRose is right, looks to me too like someone keeps changing the title when they post.

TerryRose wrote:Thanks, BJ, for that informative article! It is great to see that there are some experts in the mental and physical fields of science that are taking on this issue of behavior and studying it. I have always felt that even regular legal porn lowers all women in the minds of men who repeatedly view it. This has been an unpopular view, most people quoting first amendment rights as being over 21 and acting like there is something wrong with me for thinking it is not okay, a "prude" maybe? I am so glad to see that the subject is now being explored in a sincere and scientific way.

Wrap, it gets confusing when somebody keeps changing the name of this thread every time they post on it.

LM, all you have said is the way most of us feel here too. Our hearts are there for the families of the accused in this and other crimes.

To the newcomers who know nothing about us and have just joined recently and are related to the accused in this or any other thread, please stop accusing US, then, of having ties to political public figures or ulterior motives in our posts here at VH. There is no such tie, there is no such ulterior motive. Despite all the posts upthread saying this, the accusations are still made. Please stop that.

I am not accusing you of anything. I want that made clear. I do however point out that what is published by the court in the news is misleading if not downright untrue. I also point out that whether or not he is guilty my son has been horribly punished in the media causing him to be deprived of his money and his career. This is not fair. It is a slam dunk that the da will profit from this if he gets a high conviction rate. It is also well known that P2P sharing is under attack from the music industry and from others. Even little old ladies have been fined thousands who have been accused of getting a few songs.
People who might be interested in actually knowing what is really happening will check the actual charges on the court record and what they mean.

I think that kiddee porn is horrible and depraved. I like to know that law enforcement efforts are actually getting the pervs create and distribute it.
It is a matter of record that a federal grant funded this program. If these people want to continue funding they have to catch people. Easy targets that they can splash in the media can certainly help.

When a person supports, sight unseen, and without study, or evidence they can see, anything that the government or a news article tells them, they ARE drinking the koolaid.
I am sorry you feel accused Unfortunately, I am intimately acquainted with many of the facts. How long will anyone take cases against these horrible and heinous crimes be taken seriously by the non koolaid drinking and thinking public if the govt makes it a witch hunt and a media scandal. I pray for the victims that they are found and healed and that those who have possibly died may rest in peace and their abusers get locked under the jail or executed.

As it stands, I have no confidence that the govt is getting those guys. They dont get billionare drug dealers; They get very few of the people who steal billions from the
govt in medicare or other fraud. They say the rich never hang. Why cant they find the persons making a fortune of child porn and nail them?
Sorry about the change in subject. the reply button asks for one each time.

by neoaflander: who might be interested in actually knowing what is really happening will check the actual charges on the court record and what they mean.

There is NO way that we can investigate everything about every case that we discuss on VH. We rely on the news media for our information, for the most part.

by neoaflander: about the change in subject. the reply button asks for one each time.

You can title each individual comment if you like. The only way the title of the entire thread can be changed is to change the title of the first comment on the thread and only the administrators are able to do that. I think that Terry was seeing two threads about the same topic and thinking that there was only one thread and that the title kept changing.

[quote="neoaflander"][quote="TerryRose"]Thanks, BJ, for that informative article!
Wrap, it gets confusing when somebody keeps changing the name of this thread every time they post on it.

"Easy targets that they can splash in the media can certainly help."

"Mason said it was like "shooting fish in a barrel."

Neoaflander said: who might be interested in actually knowing what is really happening will check the actual charges on the court record and what they mean.

If you have found any of that online, please post it for the rest of us to see. Thanks.

Will you be attending court locally when your son's case comes up? If so, please inform us here at that time. Are they to be tried individually? It seems to me that he would be able to explain his side and prove his innocence if tried on an individual basis. We probably will not get any news in the media to speak of when their cases come up, maybe only the verdicts, but no particulars. If your son is found guilty, I do feel sorry for him because he probably will have the sex offender status and that is quite public in this county. Wherever he moves, the sheriff notifies anyone within a thousand feet of his residence, I think. I got such a letter myself a few years ago about a man who moved in with his parents on the next street. I also think there is an online registry of child sex offenders for anyone to access. I hope your son will get a new chance in life if he just accidentally got hooked into this thing, like you have indicated. As has been said before numerous times by other posters----he needs a darn good lawyer, hope that he has that.

"BJ in OR"

by neoaflander: who might be interesteds in actually knowing what is really happening will check the actual charges on the court record and what they mean.

There is NO way that we can investigate everything about every case that we discuss on VH. We rely on the news media for our information, for the most part.

Then it might behoove you not to assume the guilt of the accused till at least they get their day in court. You might run into someones mother who knows better.

kathie has asked me to explain the accounts. I take note that someone here seems to think that anyone here who agrees with me is actually me. that is not true. Friends and family, all of whom know my son have registered on this site and are stunned and horrified by what he is being put through for nothing. If they seem to share some of my opinions its because they know my son. The whole family has discussed this thing as well as my friends who know him and have known him for many years.

I too am guilty of the same thing, thinking that anyone who supports the da wholeheartedly in the guilty before trial notion is some how affiliated with the case and that the whole thread was published to try people in the court of public opinion before evidence or trial is produced.

Terry Rose, you are always the voice of reason. I really enjoy reading your posts. Off topic I know but I just had to say it.
Also, Laga, you sure look old to be as young as you are. Do you need some cash for some botox?

I am sorry for what you are going thru Neo, I do not understand your remark that your friends and family that are members here at VH are stunned and horrified by what your son is being put thru here. Everyone at VH tries so hard to be fair and balanced and non judgmental. I am sorry that you find us otherwise. Everyone here at VH just cares about all victims... when your son is found innocent, he will officially be a victim as well. For you and your family's sake I hope that he is innocent of all charges.

"BJ in OR"]

Neoaflander said: who might be interested in actually knowing what is really happening will check the actual charges on the court record and what they mean.

If you have found any of that online, please post it for the rest of us to see. Thanks.

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You could look up Cuyahoga County Clerk of courts on Google. You can look up any name on the list and find out the charges, the date of pretrial etc.. Some are in jail and have not been scheduled for a pretrial conference or hearing. At the bottom you can find other defendants and other cases and get information about whether or not the person has any other convictions. I hope the information is helpful or of use to you.

CritterFan1 wrote:I am sorry for what you are going thru Neo, I do not understand your remark that your friends and family that are members here at VH are stunned and horrified by what your son is being put thru here. Everyone at VH tries so hard to be fair and balanced and non judgmental. I am sorry that you find us otherwise. Everyone here at VH just cares about all victims... when your son is found innocent, he will officially be a victim as well. For you and your family's sake I hope that he is innocent of all charges.

I did not mean what he is being through here. I meant what he is being put through by the justice system. And I did not mean this thread here, I meant the published article.