Kyron Horman Update: Clarifying Stepmom’s Entry Into the Family

[Nama]

With news blowing up today in courtroom action surrounding missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman, tonight’s episode of Dateline NBC promises to cover the case in a much more personal direction.

The TV news magazine boasts it will take viewers “inside the family circle” to explore relations among Kyron’s relatives, who include father Kaine Horman, biological mother Desiree Young and stepmom Terri Moulton Horman.

One of the subjects that could very well come up on Dateline is how Terri Moulton Horman joined the family. She married Kaine Horman in 2007. It’s been reported elsewhere that Terri was a friend of Young’s who moved in with Kaine Horman to help take care of Kyron. But when Kaine Horman and Young sat down with WW earlier this month, they said they wanted to set the record straight on that point.

They said Young had custody of Kyron when Terri Moulton moved in with Kaine Horman.

“We were never friends,” Young said. “I didn’t meet her until after she moved in with Kaine.”

Both Kaine Horman and Young told WW that misinformation in the media had come from Terri Moulton Horman and her friends.

“There’s kind of this fairy tale out there, and there’s what there really is,” Kaine Horman said. “That’s how a lot of this information is getting out. It goes to Terri, and then it goes to other sources.”

Watch tonight’s Dateline at 10 pm for more details.

http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/07/26/kyron-horman-update-clarifying-stepmoms-entry-into-the-family/

[Nama]

Kyron Horman's father has gone back to court in an expanding legal battle against the stepmother he believes is involved in the disappearance of the 7-year-old boy from his school last month.
Kaine Horman claimed in documents filed Monday that the stepmother, Terri Horman, paid $350,000 to one of Portland's most prominent defense attorneys — Stephen Houze — to represent her as police continue to examine her whereabouts on the day Kyron disappeared.
Kaine Horman argues he is entitled to half of any money that can be considered marital property, including money Terri Horman pays for legal fees, and asked a judge to order her to disclose the source of the $350,000.
Kaine Horman and Kyron's birth mother — Desiree Young — have said in interviews they believe Terri Horman is somehow involved in the boy's disappearance. Police have not named any suspects since Kyron vanished June 4 from Skyline School in a rural area of northwest Portland.
Terri Horman couldn't be reached for comment Monday, and an attempt to reach Houze at his office was unsuccessful. But during a court hearing earlier this month, Houze said his client is being subjected to a "witch hunt" and a "media frenzy" and that she has received threats.
Terri Horman is the last known person to have seen Kyron after taking him to a school science fair, and investigators have been seeking to establish her movements the day he disappeared.
The case has drawn national attention, including photos of Kyron on the cover of People magazine and interviews on network TV shows such as "Today" and "Dateline NBC."
Just after Kyron disappeared, Kaine and Terri Horman made public displays of unity, appearing at news conferences with Desiree Young and her husband, Tony Young, to plead for information about Kyron's whereabouts.
But that changed last month, when Kaine moved out of the home he shared with Terri Horman west of downtown Portland. He took the couple's toddler daughter, filed for divorce and got a restraining order against Terri Horman. Kaine Horman alleged investigators told him that last year Terri Horman tried to hire someone to kill him.
Terri Horman has not been charged with any crimes.
Kaine Horman later went to court to force Terri Horman out of their house, so that he and their toddler could move back in. He also filed a contempt-of-court motion against Terri Horman, arguing she violated the restraining order by sharing information from it with a friend.
In documents filed Monday in Multnomah County Circuit Court, Kaine Horman's attorney Laura Rackner said her client's legal actions "involve complex legal and safety issues" and her client "does not have sufficient income or resources."
Meanwhile, investigators and a grand jury continue to gather evidence.
A Multnomah County grand jury investigating the disappearance on Monday subpoenaed Terri Horman's close friend DeDe Spicher.
Spicher's attorney, Chad Stavely, said Spicher was asked no questions but told to return, possibly within a few weeks.
Chief Deputy District Attorney Norm Frink declined to comment.
Stavely said Spicher is fully cooperating with investigators, including an interview last week that lasted more than three hours.
Stavely disputed allegations made in a statement last week by Kaine Horman and the Youngs, that Spicher was advising others not to talk to law enforcement.
"We've had several follow-up visits with detectives and the lead prosecutor, and the idea she's encouraging other people not to cooperate is just completely not founded in any fact," Stavely said.

http://tdn.com/news/state-and-regional/article_e3cc2422-9916-11df-9235-001cc4c002e0.html

[lisette]

I just KNEW that Terri was involved in Kaine and Desiree's divorce! They finally told the real story on Dateline...According to Desiree, he started seeing Terri when Desiree was 8 months pregnant, and it broke her heart. She didn't even meet her until she moved in with Kaine (Desiree had custody of Kyron at the time). Kaine 's version was that they were already "broken up" when he started seeing Terri...That he and Desiree were just living under the same roof until Kyron was born. Oh well, I think there was long-festering resentment on Terri's part that led her to this...
I still don't understand why Desiree didn't get Kyron back when she had recovered from her illness, and she was married and settled with Tony...especially with him saying that he wanted to come live with them...Maybe she didn't want to "muddy the waters" with Kaine and the joint arrangement that they had...I think that Terri was jealous of the relationship that Kaine had with Kyron and the bond that he and Desiree had because of him...She just wanted it to be Kaine, Kiara and her...

[jeanne1807]

In my way of thinking Desiree told a bit too much on Dateline. Kaine and Terri look bad for cheating while Kaine was married to Desiree when she was pregnant.

Desiree looks bad because Kyron was crying and not wanting to go back and she did nothing.

One little picture of Kyron hanging on a wall and it almost looked like it was plopped there for the camera.

I don't know the bedroom the boys shared looked like a place that said "stay for the night and then move along".

I truly believe Desseree and Tony wanted to be alone.

By the way. Who lives with Desiree and Tony. Did she have a son by another marriage and he lives with them.

That has to be hard for that boy if Desiree is keeping the "bed" a shrine for Kyron in the room they shared.

Disfunction junction.

[raine1953]

One little picture of Kyron hanging on a wall and it almost looked like it was plopped there for the camera.

That was exactly what I thought Jeanne when I saw that little picture on that big ole wall!
I almost got the feeling that Desiree and Kaine were getting their own '15 minutes of fame' tonight. I hope I am wrong, but the interview seemed too much focused on bashing Terri rather than finding Kyron to me.
I didn't realize Desiree had another child (does she?) either.
There is something wrong with all of these people (IMO) and my heart just breaks for little Kyron... I am so hoping that Terri 'stashed' him away with someone since LE seems to think this might be premeditated.....

[Guest]

I missed the interview on Dateline - does anyone happen to have a link to it?

[Wrapitup]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032600/

I am not sure if it is the entire show but if not, give it a day or two and it will be. I haven't seen it yet so cannot comment.

[concerned4all]

Jeanne, neither of the boys lived with Dez and Tony, only visitation every other week end. Since they said Kyron was coming to their place on Friday, June 4th, that means he had not slept in his bed since Saturday nite, May 22nd. She did not know that was the last time she would see him, but that's what she tried to make it sould like last night. Is she just lazy, or lazy and stupid? Kyron's bed not made for almost 2 weeks, Kyron's laundry not put up for almost 2 weeks, and toys not picked up and put away for almost 2 weeks? If I was going to have cameras coming through my house I would have cleaned up that bedroom. I would not want ppl to think I had not been in that room for 2 weeks. And that is exactly what I thought. 'O.K. the boys are gone finally, just close the door and we can forget for 12 days.'

[lisette]

I had seen photos of Kyron with another older boy besides James...He is slim and dark-headed...I guess that is Desiree's son by another marriage that was referred to...So who has custody of him? another ex? It doesn't sound to me like she has any right to be throwing stones at Terri...Just sayin' (Of course, I don't guess she is a murderer.)

[charminglane]

Do we know if there was an insurance policy taken out for Kyron by any of the "parents?"

[Wrapitup]

"Dez"????? I feel like Nancy Grace (God help me!) "What - you're not only on first name basis with this murderer, you have a nickname for her? Put "Confused" up on the screen."

I can just hear her now. :lol!:

[mommyof3kids]

PORTLAND, Ore. -- DeDe Spicher, identified as a close friend of Terri Moulton-Horman, was called before a grand jury Monday in Multnomah County as part of the ongoing investigation into the disappearance of her step-son Kyron Horman.
Spicher's attorney told NBC Dateline that he would be "surprised" if Terri was not arrested in the case.
Grand jury proceedings are not open to the public or the media. However, Spicer's attorney did confirm that his client was subpoenaed to testify but did not give any testimony under oath Monday.
Reliable sources told KGW that Spicher was doing gardening work not far from the Horman family home in Northwest Portland on the day Terri's step-son, 7-year-old Kyron Horman, disappeared from Skyline Elementary. Spicher reportedly left where she was working at 11:15 a.m. on June 4 and returned around 1 p.m.
Spicher's attorney Chad Stavley told NBC Dateline Monday that Spicher had been, and planned to keep, cooperating with investigators.
"I would be, frankly, surprised if Terri Horman did not eventually face charges in this case," Stavley said. "I'd be surprised if the indictment didn't come down."
The person who owns the house where Spicher lives, who was cooperating with investigators, told police that she called Spicher on her cell phone but she didn't answer, the source told KGW. A person who was working with Spicher, who was also cooperating with investigators, told them of trying to unsuccessfully find Spicher. Both people have told investigators they have no idea where Spicher was during that period of time.
Sources told KGW that police searched Spicher's home last week. Spicher has known Terri and Kaine for about seven years. Last week, Kyron's parents, Kaine Horman and Desiree Young issued a public plea for Spicher to cooperate with police, threatening a possible civil suit if she refused.http://www.kgw.com/news/local/DeDe-Spicher-testifies-before-grand-jury-99252004-kyron-horman-missing-portland.html

[mommyof3kids]

PORTLAND, Ore. -- Investigators working on the case of missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman will take questions from the media Tuesday at the first news conference in weeks.
The news conference is scheduled for 2 p.m. at a sheriff's office training facility. Chief Deputy Tim Moore and Capt. Monte Reiser will be taking questions from the media and updating the public on the investigation into Kyron's disappearance.
Kyron has not been seen since a school science fair June 4 at Skyline School. His birth parents have suggested that Kyron's stepmother, Terri Horman, is involved in his disappearance and deputies have said she was the last person to have seen Kyron.
On Monday, Terri Horman's friend, DeDe Spicher, testified before a grand jury. She made no comment while walking out of the courthouse, but Spicher's attorney said she was subpoenaed to give information. Kyron's birth parents have accused Spicher of refusing to cooperate with investigators.
Police searched Spicher's condo in Tualatin earlier this month, according to neighbors. Spicher's family said hearing her name in connection with the investigation came as a shock.
"DeDe is a good person, you know," said one family member who did not want to be identified. "Up until this, she has never really had a negative mark against her in any way."
Kyron's parents said DeDe Spicher has been in close communication with Terri Horman since the boy disappeared and they said she may have suggested that others not cooperate with investigators.
"This doesn't fit with her character. It doesn't fit in her personality. Nothing," the family member said. "She has been painted very badly in the press and people just need to back up. Quit making the death threats."
Also on Monday, Kaine Horman, who is Kyron's biological father, demanded to know where Terri Horman gained access to the money to pay for her attorney. Documents suggest she paid $350,000 to Stephen Houze, who in the past has represented Portland Trail Blazers like Damon Stoudamire and Zach Randolph.
If the money came from assets they shared as a married couple, Kaine Horman said he wants half of that money. He told FOX 12 he simply does not know where the $350,000 came from.http://www.kptv.com/news/24407530/detail.html

[Guest]

$350,000? A Grand Jury? I can not keep up with all the twist and turns in this case.

[Nama]

Investigators working on the case of missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman will take questions from the media Tuesday at the first news conference in weeks.
The news conference is scheduled for 2 p.m. at a sheriff's office training facility. Chief Deputy Tim Moore and Capt. Monte Reiser will be taking questions from the media and updating the public on the investigation into Kyron's disappearance.

http://www.kptv.com/news/24407530/detail.html

[jeanne1807]

Here is my take on the Grand Jury. They are going after an indictment on the hiring somebody to kill Kaine. That might keep her locked up unless she has another $350,000 for bail money.

I think they will keep the Kyron case in the background which gives them more time to gather evidence.

So Desiree has a son from a previous marriage that doesn't live with her either? That has been kept pretty quiet.

I wonder what song Terri would sing if she ever started. Desiree is opening the floodgates and Terri might just come flooding out someday.

[mommyof3kids]

Great thought on the reason for the GJ!

I just heard on the radio on my lunch break that they would this news station would be covering the news conference. http://www.kgw.com/
Our local news is doing great coverage on this case. Koin6 even interrupted Big Brother the other day with breaking news.

[mommyof3kids]

Just wanted to let everyone know the live feed is up. I am trying to listen, but might have to turn it off and go into a meeting, but I will try and post updates if I can.

http://www.kgw.com/live-stream

[Guest]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/38416431#38416431
Dateline videos.

[mommyof3kids]

Watched the live feed. Nothing new, other then they have raised the award to $50,000.

Dang, I was thinking they would say something about the GJ!!

[Nama]

The day Kyron Horman quietly vanished from Skyline School, stepmother Terri Moulton Horman sent several e-mails to the boy's mom -- but something was amiss.

Instead of the usual long, chatty messages, the ones on June 4 were spare and straight to the point, said Desiree Young, Kyron's mother.

"One-sentence e-mails she'd shoot off to me," Young said Tuesday in a one-on-one interview with The Oregonian. "She e-mailed me three of four times that day, which is kind of strange."

That communication now arouses the suspicion of Young and her ex-husband, Kaine Horman, who say they think Terri -- Kaine's estranged wife -- had something to do with the second-grader's disappearance. Investigators say Terri Horman was the last person to see the 7-year-old boy after dropping him off at school science fair.

The odd e-mails were among several revelations to emerge as the missing-child case nears the end of its second month. On Monday night, Kaine Horman acknowledged to "Dateline NBC" that he'd had an affair with Terri when Desiree was eight months pregnant with Kyron.

Kaine Horman told The Oregonian that Terri Horman deliberately misled friends about when their relationship began, saying they met when he hired her to take care of Kyron.

"Completely false," he said.

The Multnomah County Sheriff's Office, heading a massive criminal investigation of Kyron's disappearance, announced Tuesday (PDF) that it is doubling its reward for information about his whereabouts from $25,000 to $50,000. An anonymous donor is funding the reward.

"Significant progress is occurring in this case," Capt. Monte Reiser said in an afternoon news conference in Northeast Portland, 25 miles east of the rural school where Kyron went missing. "We believe Kyron's disappearance involved criminal behavior because his parents have been deprived of their son for 53 days. We remain steadfast, determined and focused in our work to bring Kyron home to his family."

Sheriff's deputies have logged 11,000 hours in the case and developed 3,500 leads. In their morning interview with The Oregonian, Kyron's parents remained resolute in their belief that Terri Horman knows something about where Kyron is. But Kaine Horman said nothing seemed out of the ordinary when he came home from his job at Intel just after 2 p.m. the day of the disappearance and found his wife in a chair tapping on her laptop computer.

Terri told Kaine about the school's science fair and Kyron's diorama of a red-eyed tree frog. There was nothing about her demeanor that he found peculiar.

"She showed me the photos of Kyron really quick," he recalled. "I went and found Kiara" -- their toddler was playing in her room -- "and gave her a hug, grabbed something to eat."

Within hours, Kaine Horman's world turned upside down. He would wait for Kyron's bus with Terri, only to find that his son was missing from school.

For the next 10 days, 500 searchers would comb the rolling green farmland around Skyline School, the Horman home on Northwest Sheltered Nook Road and nearby Sauvie Island -- the biggest search and rescue operation ever recorded in Oregon.

The case took a strange turn two weeks later, when investigators told Kaine Horman that his wife had allegedly attempted to hire a landscaper to kill him. He filed for divorce, obtained a restraining order against her and gained custody of their daughter.

Investigators have focused intently on Terri Horman, but she faces no criminal charges and has not been named a suspect in the case.

Kaine Horman, Desiree Young and her husband, Medford police detective Tony Young, have publicly distanced themselves from Terri while urging her and at least one of her closest friends to cooperate with authorities to help find Kyron.

Before the split, Terri Horman was vocal about the way authorities were leaning on her, the missing boy's parents said.

At one point, they said, she complained to them that investigators were pressuring her about where she went after dropping Kyron at school. Terri told them that investigators were confused about where she traveled, because her story didn't jibe with cellular phone records that indicated she traveled elsewhere.

In previous interviews, Kaine Horman said Terri failed her initial polygraph, walked out of a second and waited more than a week before agreeing to a third.

Kaine Horman and Desiree Young said Tuesday that they, too, along with Tony Young, were interviewed by police and took polygraph exams. They said they believe investigators ruled them out as suspects within four days.

"They were working with me pretty heavily up to the polygraph," Kaine Horman said, "and I think the polygraph was my last step."

The 36-year-old software engineer and Kiara, now 20 months old, have moved back into the home vacated by his wife. But he has not yet returned full time to his job at Intel. He spends many days meeting with investigators and doing news interviews to keep his son's case in the public eye.

Kiara has been away from her mom Terri Horman for about a month, he said, and does not ask about her.

"She's a new kid," he said. "She's a whole new kid now."

Kyron's parents said they remained flummoxed about where Terri Horman came up with $350,000 to hire high-end defense lawyer Stephen Houze.

"Good question," Kaine Horman said. "I want to know the answer, too."

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/day_of_kyron_hormans_disappear.html

[Nama]

[Guest]

Wrap & Lindamarie - thanks for posting the link to the Dateline interview. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to all be on there yet, but I'll keep checking on it!

BJ, thanks for posting that article & video of the press conference. I had a hard time hearing the police chief speak (esp. with the cameras clicking), but I think I got most of it! I'm glad to hear they increased the reward for information about Kyron - hopefully it will help to locate him.

I'm beginning to see the "bigger picture" of who Terri Horman was/is & it doesn't look very good! First of all, she had an affair with Kaine Horman (not a good way to start off a marriage), and then plots to murder him . Add this to Kyron's mysterious disappearance (after Terri allegedly left him at school), and it sure doesn't look good for her! Oh, and let's not forget about the drama on the side (the "sexting" with Kaine's close friend during Kyron's disappearance)!! I'm praying that very soon there will be a break in the case - either Kyron's body will be found, or Terri will confess.

One other thing: I was reading some of the criticism about Desiree ("Dez"), and I can see some of her behaviour appears rather odd (ie. leaving his bed unmade for so long, etc.). However, she is the only one who consistently displays genuine emotion regarding Kyron... I can't help but believe she sincerely loves & misses her son! As a mother of a young boy, my heart goes out to her. I'm sure she must also be experiencing guilt for letting Terri have so much contact with her son. As they say, "hindsight is 20/20" (I hope I quoted that correctly!).

Anyways... just some of my thoughts on this sad & troubling case!

[lisette]

Rainbow, regarding Desiree...I kinda knocked her in my last post, but you are right about her obvious love for Kyron and her desire to have him back...She may well be one that made mistakes in her younger years, but has "gotten her act together" now...She is married to a man that seems to be solid and supportive...I know she feels so much guilt, but if Kaine, living right there, didn't see the warning signs, she shouldn't feel guilty...She was trusting him to look after the welfare of their son.
And, concerning Kiara, who leaves an 18-month-old playing alone in her room while she(Terri) is "in a chair tapping on her laptop"? And wonder what Kaine meant when she said that Kiara was a "new kid" now and did not ask for Terri...Sounds like she might have had some mothering issues, but IDK...just sounded a little revealing...(Makes me wonder what Kyron endured from her when no one was around...not physically, but verbally and/or emotionally...I can't get over the statement that when he woke up in the morning that he would sit on the edge of his bed until someone came and got him...That is very strange...)

[Wrapitup]

I want to know where she came up with $350,000 for an attorney. Who pays that much unless your guilty as all hell? Seriously? Where did this money come from? This could have gone toward the reward for Kyron.

I am assuming if she had it to give to her attorney recently, she had it when Kyron went missing..but did she offer it up? No!

[Guest]

And, concerning Kiara, who leaves an 18-month-old playing alone in her room while she(Terri) is "in a chair tapping on her laptop"? And wonder what Kaine meant when she said that Kiara was a "new kid" now and did not ask for Terri...Sounds like she might have had some mothering issues, but IDK...just sounded a little revealing

[Nama]

Terri-Moulton Horman, the step-mother of missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman, will not contest her estranged husband's request for a divorce, as the case continued into it's 54th day with no sign of the boy.
Reliable sources said Wednesday motion to abate document was filed by Terri's attorney Peter Bunch. In it, Terri agreed to divorce, saying intense media and law enforcement scrutiny and speculation prevented her from handling the case in an ordinary fashion.
The agreement could potentially avoid any chance of Terri having to give testimony in court.
No suspects or persons of interest have been named in the case, but attention has focused on Terri, since she was the last person to report seeing Kyron after dropping him off at Skyline Elementary on June 4.
Citing the high profile nature of the case, attorney Bunch argued in the abatement motion that it was "virtually impossible" to proceed with the divorce in an orderly fashion.
On Tuesday, the reward for information that leads to Kyron was doubled from $25,000 to $50,000 by an anonymous donor.

Detectives had not interviewed Terri since she retained high profile criminal defense attorney Stephen Houze in July.
In court documents, the boy's father Kaine Horman stated police had provided him with "probable cause" to believe that Terri was involved in Kyron's disappearance, plotted to have Kaine killed, and was having a sexual affair.
Reliable sources told KGW that investigators said there was probable cause to arrest Terri in connection with Kyron's disappearance, and for soliciting someone to kill her husband, but the choice has been for the investigation to continue.
Earlier this month Kaine had Terri evicted from the family's NW Portland home and he returned to the home with the couple's young daughter, Kiara.

http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Kyron-Hormans-step-mom-Terri-wont-contest-divorce-from-Kaine-99500504.html

[artgal16]

I hope they ont arrest her unless they have something more solid that what I just read. They cant really prove what the gardener said, though they believe him
and there is no evidence at all regarding her taking Kyron from school that day. They need to bide their time and keep investigating. I'd hate to see her get away with this, but I also dont want them to charge her and not be able to make it stick.

[jeanne1807]

Boy my mind changes day by day. I am thinking a few things right now and will share them.

Desiree seems very into herself. Yes I know..be kind..her son is missing. But every other weekend? Thats all she saw him. And the bed business. He had not been there for two weeks. Surely the bedroom would have been cleaned in that time for the next visit???

Could not take a personal day for a big event like science project for her son. Then the way Kyron didn't want to go back home but she kept taking him.

Did anybody else notice absolutely no contact between Desiree and Tony. No touching or hand holding or glances that married couples give to each other as a sign of support and love. Nothing, nada.

Then there is the dressing up for the camera. Do they have a stylist getting her ready for the camera. She has a new hair style with each interview. Full makeup and waxed eyebrows???

Was it easier for Desiree to just let Terri babysit no matter what was going on in that home? Was that easier.

I am getting a real bad feeling about Desiree the stylist, Tony the detective and Kaine the silent one.

Does Terri have a real story to tell? She is a strange bird. I can't wait to hear her sing.

This one is hard to call folks.

[Nama]

The divorce attorney for Terri Moulton Horman has filed a motion to delay divorce proceedings from Kaine Horman, citing intense media and police scrutiny of his client.

Attorney Peter Bunch filed the petition today in Multnomah County Circuit Court.

Bunch states that the controversy surrounding Horman, "the center" of the criminal investigation into the disappearance last month of 7-year-old Kyron Horman, makes it "virtually impossible for me to proceed with divorce-related issues as I would ordinarily do."

Bunch also contends that Kaine Horman "grossly misstated" the amount of money paid to Terri Horman's criminal attorney, Stephen Houze.

Kaine Horman's attorney, Laura Rackner, filed papers earlier this week saying that Terri Horman paid $350,000 to Houze.

Bunch contends in the motion to hold the divorce in abatement, that Terri Horman "did not borrow the money to pay for Mr. Houze's attorney fees, the money to not come from her funds, and she's not asserting that her attorney fees with Mr. Houze are any sort of marital debt."

Bunch also questions Kaine Horman's inability to pay his legal fees, saying that he is employed at Intel with a good salary and that he has sufficient savings to pay for the divorce.

"Accordingly, it is difficult to conceive that Petitioner is unable to meet his expenses and pay for his attorney fees."

Bunch also states that Terri Horman is unemployed, and unemployable, and has no independent source of money to pay her legal fees.

Further, Bunch says that custody issues and parenting time, which require an independent evaluator, would be compromised by police scrutiny.

"It is unlikely that any competent evaluator would agree to work on this matter" because "his or her work product could become part of the investigation..."

The document also states that Terry Horman stipulates that she will not claim any of Kaine Horman's post-separation assets, and "is prepared to stipulate to the entry of a divorce judgment...."

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/terri_hormans_divorce_attorney.html

[Nama]

Court doc 1
http://images.bimedia.net/documents/motion+to+abate.pdf

Court doc 2
http://images.bimedia.net/documents/motion+to+abate_2.pdf

[Wrapitup]

Jul 28, 2010 Author Melissa Finlay

One question that has not been answered, and may be avoided by investigators entirely is whether or not they believe that Kyron Horman is alive. Kyron Horman has been missing since June 4, 2010 from Portland, Oregon. Though his family continues to hold out hope, there was a glaring omission from the recent press conference held by lead investigators in the Kyron Horman case: the mention of searching for Kyron alive.

Usually, during press conferences investigators will say whether or not they believe that a missing child is alive or dead. They will quote statistics and speak of the hope they have that the child will be brought home. When investigators announced that the search for Kyron has shifted from a search to a criminal investigation they never mentioned whether they had information leading them to believe that Kyron Horman was dead.

A similar press conference was held in the case of missing Florida girl, Haleigh Cummings. In that press conference it was announced that the search for Haleigh had shifted to a criminal investigation: a homicide investigation.

Terri Horman allegedly plotted to murder her husband? Is it farfetched to suspect that she murdered Kyron?

Kyron Horman’s parents continue to hold hope that Terri did not do anything violent to Kyron but has hid him somewhere, supposing that he has been stashed somewhere with other people looking after him.

Is the fact that investigators are not saying that they believe Kyron Horman is alive or dead indicative of where their investigation is headed?

http://primewriter.com/news-1246-headlines/?p=8398

[Wrapitup]

Jeanne, you're like a bouncing ball reference this case. I can't blame you. I did not see the Dateline special so no clue how long his clothes had by lying around..will have to take your word for it. Maybe she just can't even go into his room that much. Too painful. I have noticed she has glammed it up, just as Crystal Sheffield, her mom and Mother Teresa did as well.

I do NOT think he is stashed with Terri or with Terri's cohort's. I think he is dead, and Terri had help. Probably the Dee Dee neighbor and possibly the sexter friend. Just a wild guess.

[Guest]

Does anyone have any idea what the Grand Jury indictment of Dede Spicher (sp?) was all about? I heard on NG today that she was called in, but wasn't asked any questions... very strange! I also feel that she helped Terri dispose of Kyron's body.

[Wrapitup]

But the night before (Tues) on NG, it was said she WAS asked questions so who really knows. And, she is not saying boo - has lawyered up & to me, she acted like a damned celebrity with her shades and her lawyer by her side looking straight ahead and answering no questions. Now, WHY would she do this if she were innocent?

[Guest]

I hope Kyron is alive. Why would she stash him some where is my question? That makes no sense. As far as all this talk about Desiree getting a new look.... I would to if I was on national TV. I am pretty vain. Maybe she is as well.

[jeanne1807]

Can somebody tell me does Desiree or Tony have another child by a previous marriage? Does that child just visit on the weekends too? I am a bit confused on that one.

Since the day Kyron went missing was also the day he was to go to moms house it makes sense to me that Desiree "could" take time off from her job and spend that "special" day with Kyron. Perhaps attend his science fair and then take him home with her for the weekend. I know he had school but she could have spent a few hours waiting for him til school was out.

The teachers said this was a "big deal" this science fair program and the kids looked forward to it all year.

Neither bio attended. That tells me a lot and makes me wonder about a lot of things going on.

My daughter teaches school but she never misses one of the childrens doings at school. My DIL and other daughter also take the time to attend and they both work also. The fellows don't always make everything but they are there a lot as schedules allow. Heck even grandpa and I make a lot of the kids special days in town and out of town.

I think investigators are not saying Kyron must be dead. Statistically that is logical but how do you take hope away from somebody?

I agree Dede was having her 15 minutes of fame. Somebody pumped her way up.

For the life of me I can't see any of these women killing a child. To tell you the truth I have tried to visualize how one would do that and I just can't even go there.

Then sometimes I "bounce", as Wrap would say, to the possiblity that this was an abduction by somebody Kyron might have been familiar with like a landscaper that had done work at home and school and all these women are innocent.

Remember when that man volunteered his time and his dogs and the "family" would not give him anything for a Kyron scent. I always wondered about that????

This one is hard to call.

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Jeanne said:

Remember when that man volunteered his time and his dogs and the "family" would not give him anything for a Kyron scent. I always wondered about that????

I missed that one. By "family", you mean Desiree and Kaine? Or Terri? Or all of them? Why in the world wouldn't they give this man something? The only reason I can think of is because they are going by what LE is telling them to do or not do.

I have to agree with you, Jeanne, about neither of the bio's showing up for this science project. I know that Desiree had some serious physical malady but don't know when or what. She seems to look fine now.

I CAN visualize Terri harming Kyron. It is due to her past career and her odd behaviour. I hope I am wrong. But here is what I think. It is a know fact that James (the 16 year old of Terri's) and Kaine did not get along. To my knowledge, we've never heard why. Bottom line, he RECENTLY went to live with his bio dad. I think that really pissed Terri off. So, she thought "to hell with him. I will knock Kaine off." Then, when that fell through, she got back at him for the way she perceived Kaine treated her son, James. There is your motive, folks. Plus, I think she is a bit scary looking anyway.

LM, you crack me up with your confessed "vanity".

[Cory]

To be honest you guys........ Some of these media people DO offer a hairstyle. I see nothing wrong with it. It is like a little gift from them for putting you through the hard times and just a way of making you feel better about yourself. Think about it. You are searching for your missing child - you are going through pure hell. Who, in that position would say no to helping you look a bit better while you are exposed to the world at the most disturbing time of your life?

[jeanne1807]

Thank you Cory. Your imput is important. You know more about this than most of us do.

Wrap I just can't see how one would kill a child. An adult yes but a child I just can never imagine that. I think of an adult being shot or stabbed or poisoned but a child. They are so innocent and I would not see the rage there like with an adult that has really made you furious.

Has anybody noticed that Desiree has become the main spokesperson for the three?
I would have expected Kaine to step up to that plate. I wonder if he has always "let the women" take care of everything.

This one is certainly baffling.

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Cory, I completely see your point. Heck yes, if you look good you feel good, or at least better!

Jeanne, I could never imagine an adult murdering a child until Casey Anthony. I still had trouble with it until the duct tape on her skull. This is even difficult to type. Now, not much surprises me, which is sad.

Yes, I have noticed that Desiree (love that name) is the main spokesperson. You may be on to something about Kaine!

[Cory]

Has anybody noticed that Desiree has become the main spokesperson for the three?
I would have expected Kaine to step up to that plate. I wonder if he has always "let the women" take care of everything.


Often times the Mom shows more emotion and it is more apt to "go to bat" for her child. In this case, I think that Desiree has done a great job. As for Kaine - too much going on with his "wife". Seems to me any questions asked of him would be in reference to Terri. The focus needs to be on KYRON, and where he is.

[Wrapitup]

Again, you made a great point, Cory!! Thanks so much for your input!

[Guest]

Thank you Cory. I agree. The ugly divorce, the murder for hire, all of that has taken the focus off where is Kyron.

[Cory]

Thank you Cory. I agree. The ugly divorce, the murder for hire, all of that has taken the focus off where is Kyron.

Exactly LM! They (media) seem to be focusing too much on Terri, the divorce and murder for hire. The woman (and I use that word loosely!!!) needs to start flapping her jaws. She is really annoying me!! Grrr!

Do you think Kyron is still alive? Chances are slim, but I will continue to pray for this little guy. My heart breaks just looking at his pictures. How could anyone take this little guy from his family? What on earth could he have ever done to deserve either being taken from his family and hidden or murdered??? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. Poor little Kyron.
You're right Jeanne - This case is baffling.

[jeanne1807]

When I wonder if Kyron is still alive then I have to think of who would take that chance. Everybody looking for the child. Would somebody be so foolish?

I don't remember too many times children have been found with people they were "given to" in circumstances like this. People that against all odds kept the child and kept quiet about it.

There have been cases where children were abducted by strangers and found years later. But I think that unusual.

That makes me think Kyron is truly "gone" but they just haven't found him yet.

Sad to even type those words.

Cory good point on why Desiree might be spokesperson. Keeping the focus on Kyron and not Kaine and his matrimonial woes.

[Guest]

I am assuming Kyron is deceased and may never be found.

[jeanne1807]

LM it is a terrible thing to give up hope but where could the little fellow be?

Terri looks so darn mad and Dede looks like the cat that swallowed the mouse.

I hope if those two women did anything to little Kyron they spend the rest of their lives behind bars where they can never harm a child again.

Isn't it strange that we never hear of Terri demanding to see Kaira her own little daughter. I would be missing my baby sooooo much. And what of little Kaira? Surely she misses her mother.

[Cory]

Lock those two up and throw away the key!!!!!!!!!!! Maybe then they will see fit to talk to the authorities! Damn! This makes me so mad. Even IF he is deceased, let his parents put him to rest properly. What a bitch. Just about as cold hearted as it gets. That woman (Terri) knows and she needs to talk.

(sorry.......it just really pisses me off!!)

My prayers will not stop until Kyron is found. God be with him.

[Guest]

I don't know as Kaine says Kaira is a brand new kid. What does that mean exactly? The only time people don't talk to LE are the ones that have something to hide.

[lisette]

jeanne, it appears from what Kaine said here that Kiara is not missing her mom...

Kiara has been away from her mom Terri Horman for about a month, he said, and does not ask about her.

"She's a new kid," he said. "She's a whole new kid now."

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/day_of_kyron_hormans_disappear.html

I listened to this interview...Kaine also said that it was not true that James left because they didn't get along, other than any teen/adult conflict...He said that they actually got along better than James and Terri, that he had to mediate between them often, that Terri had trouble handling the teen/adult challenge...

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