Document dump 9/29/09 Case against Casey Anthony

1. I have always wanted to prove her innocent because the media beat the hell of her and her family (which is bullshit, IMO)

Really WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW Cuz who in THE F@^#*@# was there for CAYLEE, They SHOULD BEAT THE HELL OUT OF THEM AND THAN SOME omg HELLLLOOOOOOO, JMO

Love4My5boys wrote:1. I have always wanted to prove her innocent because the media beat the hell of her and her family (which is bullshit, IMO)

Really WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW Cuz who in THE F@^#*@# was there for CAYLEE, They SHOULD BEAT THE HELL OUT OF THEM AND THAN SOME omg HELLLLOOOOOOO, JMO

Tell it like it is woman!

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1. I have always wanted to prove her innocent because the media beat the hell of her and her family (which is bullshit, IMO)

Really WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW Cuz who in THE F@^#*@# was there for CAYLEE, They SHOULD BEAT THE HELL OUT OF THEM AND THAN SOME omg HELLLLOOOOOOO, JMO

I love this post.. it cracks me up, cause it is SOOOO true! :cheers:

Love4My5boys wrote:1. I have always wanted to prove her innocent because the media beat the hell of her and her family (which is bullshit, IMO)

Really WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW Cuz who in THE F@^#*@# was there for CAYLEE, They SHOULD BEAT THE HELL OUT OF THEM AND THAN SOME omg HELLLLOOOOOOO, JMO

You are right. alot of people are very hard on her family. But its because they're fighting so hard to get their grandaughters murderer off her charges. Shouldn't matter if it's their daughter...look at what she did. They should let her take responsibilty for what she has done with a human life, her BABY'S LIFE!...instead they fight for her to have no punishment.

Either way, doesnt matter to me IF she gets off, some vigilante will get justice for caylee, no doubt in my mind..she'd be safer getting a lethal injection, than some crazy wrapping her face in ductape and locking HER in a trunk for who knows how long.

It seems as though KC has always been handed a silver platter and is given break after break, her whole entire life. She cannot beat this...a murder wrap. She did the ultimate evil act-she killed her own child. She has to pay.
She can bat her eyelashes, fix her hair, smirk and flirt with every man in site-but she finally has to be brought down. Justice has to prevail.

I think I know/understand what each of you feel. I was not trying to instigate anything, I promise. I (myself) choose to not take sides on things until all the facts/knowledge is given to me. In this case, from what I have read/seen, I think she is guilty. However, that being said, from what may be presented to the jury, they might not look at it just the way we do. This case could possibly change some of the federal laws in this country and I am not so sure that I might like it. (I am thinking of the victims here)

The justice system has some major problems IMO.

P.S. I still will say the media has ripped this up. I appreciate each of you and your opinions because that is how we debate, think and gather new knowledge. You must remember this for little LJ.
maybe I am the last one in the world left but, I try to keep the "Golden Rule" in heart at all times. I try my best to live by it.

ha, w/ all of that said, I think I am going to have a baby dance.

:dancingbaby:

In Re: the fetal shaped imprint in the trunk. Rigor mortis sets in from 10 min. to a few hours after death. If she were strangled in bed her body would be straight; for those that buy into a poss. drowning- her body would be straight. If she died in the trunk she would prob. eventually give up and curl into a ball. Am I right to conclude this? This makes me sick to even write this, but I was trying to sleep and couldn't stop thinking of this.

cherylz wrote:In Re: the fetal shaped imprint in the trunk. Rigor mortis sets in from 10 min. to a few hours after death. If she were strangled in bed her body would be straight; for those that buy into a poss. drowning- her body would be straight. If she died in the trunk she would prob. eventually give up and curl into a ball. Am I right to conclude this? This makes me sick to even write this, but I was trying to sleep and couldn't stop thinking of this.

Got you and it is a good point!

cherylz wrote:In Re: the fetal shaped imprint in the trunk. Rigor mortis sets in from 10 min. to a few hours after death. If she were strangled in bed her body would be straight; for those that buy into a poss. drowning- her body would be straight. If she died in the trunk she would prob. eventually give up and curl into a ball. Am I right to conclude this? This makes me sick to even write this, but I was trying to sleep and couldn't stop thinking of this.

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you're right, cherylz...

Did I miss something or was BLOOD mentioned before? I don't remember hearing about blood. Why the hell was there blood?

An FBI forensics lab identified a blood stain outline of a child in the fetal position in the trunk liner of accused child killer Casey Anthony’s car, according to newly released documents.

The information came in an e-mail from FBI Intelligence Analyst Karen B. Cowan to another agency employee written on Tuesday, Sept. 30, 2008.

Anthony, 23, of Orlando, is charged with murdering her 2-year-old daughter Caylee, hiding the child's remains and lying to investigators about a baby sitter kidnapping her.

“If you look closely at this photo, there appears to be the outline or silhouette of a child in the fetal position," Cowan wrote.

The e-mail was included among thousands more pages of information pertaining to the Anthony case that were released by the Florida state attorney's office on Tuesday.

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Bloody child's outline' found in mother's car

A bloody silhouette of a child was found in the car boot of an American mother accused of killing her daughter, FBI documents claim.

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Caylee Anthony – The Nonsense Rolls On And On
Posted on September 30th, 2009
by Simon Barrett

I find it amazing, there is so much misinformation doing the rounds in this case that the Anthony clan make Pravda at the height of the cold war look like serious journalists! A clear target of the defense team is one time Casey Anthony boyfriend Jessie Grund. Jessie makes for a very poor target, he was one of the very few people involved that actually cared about Caylee Anthony. In fact sources tell me that his affection for Caylee was a source of friction between him and mother Casey Anthony.

A document came my way a couple of hours ago that I find very curious. It contains some email traffic between Cindy Anthony and private investigator Dominic Casey. It leads me to believe that there may be yet another angle that Jose Bozo Baez and his seven dwarfs may go after. If they can not pin it on Jessie, they may try his father Richard Grund. This is the most ludicrous scenario I have heard yet.

A couple of days ago I heard on the grapevine that a story was circulating that Richard Grund killed Caylee in an occult ritual. In my opinion it is much more likely that Casey Anthony did it in a Duct Tape ritual!

Some research has revealed the source of this rubbish, and it is none other than from PI Dominic Casey. A man who has the credibility of a three day old donut.

Here is a taste of the exchange, this is Cindy to Dominic talking about Richard Grund:

Isnt he crazy enough to do something to Caylee? Remember we originally thought that him and Deb were helping Jesse hid Caylee. it might sound crazy but what if they did a blood test and found out she was not a nephilim. People do crazy things like sacrifice people for their beliefs

Dominic’s response is equally inane:

You have seen nothing yet. What you have seen is the tip of the iceberg… RG is a Militia Boy, Racist, Demeans women and a total whack job… I will have him on the porno soon

I have spoken to Richard Grund on various occasions, he is clearly a man of honor. These allegations are so outrageous that I do hope Richard pursues some recourse from both the Anthony’s and Dominic Casey. OH, and it was Dominic Casey that compiled that hugely amusing list of guests that were not welcome at the Anthony memorial service. If you missed this classic piece of stupidity please read Jan’s article here.

I have the document, and I know the hands it has passed through, I am however not sure that it is in the public domain, so for the time being I think it is better not to publish it.

Simon Barrett

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im not understanding the bloody outline either. Wasnt there tests done on the trunk that concluded NO blood/human dna was present other than decomposing body fluids?

Sassy, I think this is something new today, but don't understand it either. i wish the media would get it right! I get tired of trying to read between the lines.

All i know is that the last 30 minutes i spent thinking more and more about what the hell is wrong with george and cindy to want to get casey off and out of trouble so bad. Its like they have a huge huge guilt complex over something, its the only logical explanation.

im convinced the flurry of phone calls was her breakdown, and her trying to find anyone to get caylee away from her because she knew she was going to kill her, and nobody picked up.

so either:

a) We've all had it wrong...including the neighbor who supposedly heard the fight between casey and cindy..and casey was wanting to abandon caylee to go live her life and her parents thought it was better to do "TOUGH LOVE" and force her to keep parenting a child she would soon murder. Hence why everyone would have been ignoring her calls.

b) im wrong, and things still dont make sense as to what the hell george and cindy feel so guilty about.

Argh.

Also, this bloody outline..im not believing it. I swear, with 99.9% certainty, there were tests done on the trunk as soon as they had the car and there was NO blood in that trunk, which means there was NO bloody outline

Another news source reporting about the bloody outline.

Blood-Stained Outline of Child Found in Casey Anthony's Car

An update now on the Caylee Anthony case.

New documents say a blood stained outline of a child was found in Casey Anthony's car. According to the forensics lab, the child was lying in the fetal position in the trunk.

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they probably still had the fight..she just did not kill her then. As a young mother I appreciate your insight about the flurry of phone calls..... the breakdown theory is a good one, then when nobody would answer to babysit or come get her, her hot hot movie rental date with Tony became more important to her than anything in the world, at that moment.!You know how LP says she lives in 10 minute increments. She just tosses her in the car like garbage and stuffs her in the laundry bag in her trunk, dead or alive. Will we ever know??
The ANTS should be ashamed of themselves and u r right, Sassy, could be their guilt from being such crappy parents to KC and Lee. As warped says, this theory is subject to change.

CritterFan1 wrote:they probably still had the fight..she just did not kill her then. As a young mother I appreciate your insight about the flurry of phone calls..... the breakdown theory is a good one, then when nobody would answer to babysit or come get her, her hot hot movie rental date with Tony became more important to her than anything in the world, at that moment.!You know how LP says she lives in 10 minute increments. She just tosses her in the car like garbage and stuffs her in the laundry bag in her trunk, dead or alive. Will we ever know??
The ANTS should be ashamed of themselves and u r right, Sassy, could be their guilt from being such crappy parents to KC and Lee. As warped says, this theory is subject to change.

im not so sure she did it because of a babysitter though. i really dont. Amy has said on statement that casey even admitted to her she was having a breakdown. I really think what happened is she had finally decided she HAD to get away from her daughter, and her family was trying to teach her a lesson about being a mother..only to single handedly help to cause the death of their grandaughter by not picking up the phone when casey was trying to tell them they needed to keep her.

I think they know that, i think thats exactly how she told them that caylee was already dead.."i did it because i TOLD you that i didnt want to be a mom anymore, and you didn't take me seriously"

Man, *I'D* have a huge guilt complex the rest of my life in their shoes. they SHOULD feel guilty.

No there was no "bloody" ouline. No bodily fluids were present it was an outline.
And Sassy, that is what I started thinking a few days ago...forget which thread I posted it on. Maybe the flurry of calls were to try to get a sitter for her hot-date at the video store after her trip to WM. Will we ever know the truth? I now think she had this all planned out...think of it...omnious comp searches, searches for ZG, telling her friends the house would be hers...I used to think it was in a rage after the fight...but now I am seeing it differently.

When did she tell her friend that she was having a breakdown?

I believe I heard that Cindy and George are now saying that outline was in the trunk when they bought the car for Lee.

Do you think anybody can ever stop them and their lies. How do they keep getting away with this stuff.

I think once they were allowed to be so very disrespectful at the deposition for Zenida that they have taken on a new feeling of power over everybody and everything.

Nobody calls them on their lies. Enough please.

I hate to throw in another personal story, but in response to "WHAT MAN WOULD REMEMBER CLOTHING.
My husband recalled what I was wearing the first time we met 10 years afterward. & Yeah, cleavege had a lot to do with it. The man says he didn't think what he had seen would be of any value. I can see why he would think this. All he has reported is seeing casey & Cayee, and casey's apparent disregard for her daughter. I can understand why, in his mind at the time this was not important.

So far everything we have seen there was no blood or any other fluid that would contain DNA. Notice I said so far? GA and CA feel guilty for not protecting Caylee. How could they not? Now they are trying to save their daughter and I think they honestly won't let them self’s believe their own daughter could have done something so evil. I do think they were trying the tough love thing with KC. Some times as parents we have to do that. It is not fun and it does cause guilty feelings. I want everyone to know I don't blame GA or CA for what their daughter did. The Mom is always the fall guy when their kids have issues. I am tired of that attitude. We have seen nothing that indicated the Anthony’s were bad parents. No one is perfect. I still have some sympathy because I am human. I hate what they are doing and I think what they have done is wrong. I know for a fact if I was in their shoes I would want justice for my granddaughter period. And if my child was sick and evil like KC I would want her dead, not in prison for the rest of her life if convicted. I don't understand them at all.

Lindamarie I agree 99% with what you just said. I just think if it were my daughter convicted I would rather have her in prison for the rest of her life and not sent to the death chambers. I think that deep down I personally am afraid of death-the fear of the unknown.

I don't think I could stand my child spending life in prison for killing his or her own child. It would just cause me to live with rage the rest of my life.

Exactly Marica. That is how I feel.

I am just so frustrated with all this mixed-up "evidence" that has just been released...I know that Casey did SOMETHING to cause Caylee's death, but now I am afraid that she is going to get away with it...It makes me physically ill!!! I'm tempted not to even read or listen to anything until the actual trial...All of this publicity (a lot of it with mistakes) is going to cause a real problem, I'm afraid. I'm not so sure Florida's Sunshine Law is such a good thing.

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cherylz wrote:In Re: the fetal shaped imprint in the trunk. Rigor mortis sets in from 10 min. to a few hours after death. If she were strangled in bed her body would be straight; for those that buy into a poss. drowning- her body would be straight. If she died in the trunk she would prob. eventually give up and curl into a ball. Am I right to conclude this? This makes me sick to even write this, but I was trying to sleep and couldn't stop thinking of this.

Got you and it is a good point!

I couldn't sleep good and was lying there thinking the same thing, like she was just in the laundry bag first and put in the trunk, died of suffocation in the fla heat in a fetal position?? Then shoveled up into one of the plastic bags after the stain was formed. I hate that I even wrote words like 'shoveled up', hard to imagine a mother shoveling/scooping their own child out of a trunk.

I sure don't want to make anyone on edge just because I am worried about a conviction. I am sure there is a lot we have not seen yet. The media better knock it off or they will be part responsible if KC is acquitted or found not guilty. There was no blood in that trunk. The media reporting something like that was just plain wrong. I agree the sunshine law is not a good thing.

lindamarie wrote:I sure don't want to make anyone on edge just because I am worried about a conviction. I am sure there is a lot we have not seen yet. The media better knock it off or they will be part responsible if KC is acquitted or found not guilty. There was no blood in that trunk. The media reporting something like that was just plain wrong. I agree the sunshine law is not a good thing.

IMO, It is way to early to worry if Casey will get off. I can tell you that the State has NOT released their smoking gun. There is more to this case than we know.

We have seen it time and time again. SLOPPY reporting. So someone didn't know how to describe the area of the trunk which had a visible out line of a body, and gee.. what else could have caused it but blood? Hey, gotta get my story written up before the deadline. Blood makes sense... right.. ??? So now Joe Blow copies my story, and away we go... When I saw the first story of a blood out line, I thought.. SLOPPY REPORTING.. wasn't blood. These people don't seem to care if they have the facts or not. Just get their version of the event in print.

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lindamarie wrote:
I sure don't want to make anyone on edge just because I am worried about a conviction. I am sure there is a lot we have not seen yet. The media better knock it off or they will be part responsible if KC is acquitted or found not guilty. There was no blood in that trunk. The media reporting something like that was just plain wrong. I agree the sunshine law is not a good thing.

IMO, It is way to early to worry if Casey will get off. I can tell you that the State has NOT released their smoking gun. There is more to this case than we know.

I agree with both you LM and WRAP.. Shame on the Media for false reporting! And I whole heartedly agree with your post Wrap.. there is NO way the State will release their smoking gun this early and they better not until the day before trial. SHIAT, they already screwed up enough with tampering with the evidence.. at least keep the smoking gun underwraps!!

P.S. WRAP... your Avatar is HILARIOUS!! OMG.. I had to take a DOUBLE TAKE :shock:

well said LM, I would want them dead for murdering my grandchild, not in prison for life.
I could not be an ostrich like the Ants have shown themselves to be. The stain was in the trunk when they bought it for lee, Jeanne is so right, can anyone stop the Ants lies?

CritterFan1 wrote:well said LM, I would want them dead for murdering my grandchild, not in prison for life.
I could not be an ostrich like the Ants have shown themselves to be. The stain was in the trunk when they bought it for lee, Jeanne is so right, can anyone stop the Ants lies?

"The stain was already in the trunk when they bought the car for Lee, the person in Casey's trunk was not George's granddaughter, there was a "bag"?? of pizza in the trunk w/maggots...it smelled so bad, Maybe someone put a body in the trunk after it was towed to the tow yard, I believe everything my sister tells me, CMA, CMA, I LOVE you!!"

Step right up, one and all, to the camel on Cindy's back. The humps are full of lies and the camel is chasing her, along with George, Cindy, Bozo's scream team and Brad Conway..oh..and let us NOT forget the Milstead's!! :evil: :mad: :slugger: :fight:

Wrap :lol!:
Lets not forget Conway also tried to tell us there was no duct tape on Caylee little skull. We all know that was a lie.

lindamarie wrote:Wrap :lol!:
Lets not forget Conway also tried to tell us there was no duct tape on Caylee little skull. We all know that was a lie.

Oy Vey, back to the damned duct tape!!! :scratch: :mad:

Richard Grund's statement on his My Space reference the 09/29/09 doc dump. He has stated we cannot reproduce it.

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Wrapitup wrote:Richard Grund's statement on his My Space reference the 09/29/09 doc dump. He has stated we cannot reproduce it.

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"ITS THE DEVIL"

Oh, man. my sides hurt.

I read Richards blog with Sassy. Sound like he is planning on suing someone. I don't blame him.

You know I have never been a big fan of Richard Grund. Don't know why. Maybe I thought he was getting a bit too involved with his service at the park when they thought Padilla would find her and his blogging and talking and well just keeping himself in the light.
I always thought he should shut up and hire the best attorney he could find and make sure any money coming to the Anthonys would go to him for them slandering him.
But I now think he is the kind of person that feels he must explain himself and "fight" back by blogging.

It must be a terrible thing to have your son love somebody and have all this thrown at you and your family. Who knows how they would react.

To make my case Anthony Lazzaro's family has said nothing. Most of the other families of Caseys friends have also chosen not to speak out about how they are coping. I think this would be my way.

I do have sympathetic feeling for the Grund family. I just think they might have handled all this differently.

Jeanne, he is extremely adamant in his Christianity and makes it known everyday on Facebook. He is most def not one to sit back and stay silent, that's for sure. I have mixed emotions with him as I have had some communication and I think that he is a very good person but have to agree it may be better if he stayed quiet. For the most part, other than a few interviews and his sworn testimony..Jesse has stayed out of the limelight.

Wrapitup wrote:Jeanne, he is extremely adamant in his Christianity and makes it known everyday on Facebook. He is most def not one to sit back and stay silent, that's for sure. I have mixed emotions with him as I have had some communication and I think that he is a very good person but have to agree it may be better if he stayed quiet. For the most part, other than a few interviews and his sworn testimony..Jesse has stayed out of the limelight.

a bit of ditto,

Actually I love a quiet christian. A person that shows their faith by their love and actions and good deeds. A person that bows their head, removes their hat and honors their God in the church of their choice.

Bible thumpers have never appealed to me.

jeanne1807 wrote:Actually I love a quiet christian. A person that shows their faith by their love and actions and good deeds. A person that bows their head, removes their hat and honors their God in the church of their choice.

Bible thumpers have never appealed to me.

Amen, Jeanne...and pardon the pun.

I read the Grund blog, and was impressed by what he said and how he said it. BUT, this is my first experience reading anything by this man, so my opinion may change.